SinoDefence Forum

FriedRiceNSpice

The conflict between China and Japan have started far before the second World War. You could say the roots of the conflict lie in Kublai Khan's failed invasion of Japan in the 13th century. That attempt left Japan with a mistrust of mainland asians. China and Japan also fought over Korea in the 16th century, in which the Chinese repelled the Japanese samaurai. The actual first Sino-Japanese war started in 1894, also fought over Korea. This was won by Japan. Japan would occupy Manchuria in 1931, and the second Sino-Japanese war, the one we are most familiar with, started in 1939.

MIGleader

It wasn't because of mainland distrust.
japan needed raw materials and workers to supply it's
new industry, but it had none, so it invaded china to get some.
so you can blame the westerners that started japans modernization...
they would pay for it during the war.

T-U-P

i've heard somewhere that the japanese are originally chinese... it said that after the Qin emperor ruled the whole china, he wanted to find medicines that would make them un-dieable, so he sent 100 little boys and 100 little girls to find such medicine, but those kids eventually got to japan (the island) and established a civilization there. don't know if it's true tho, just heard it off some tv shows in china.

FriedRiceNSpice

That is what I've heard and read too. However, from what I understand, there already were people living on Japan. The Qin explorers introduced the orginal Japanese to Chinese culture and rice-cultivation techniques (originally the Japanese were fisherfolk) and intermarried with the local population.

Liberator

In China, there is a legend. During what dynasty dunno.

The emperor of China sent 1000 men and women to the deserted island which is now called Japan. And the 2000 Chinese men and women settled there to claim new lands for China and the emperor. But eventually, the 2 lands (China and the island now called Japan) lost contact. Therefore, people in the island that is now called Japan claim to be a country.

- Its only a legend, maybe its real or maybe its false.

FriedRiceNSpice

There have been excavations to show that humans have lived in Japan since 35,000 BC, and there have been civilization in Japan since 10,000 BC.

MIGleader

why would the chinese make a legend like that!!! that wouuld be saying their related to the japs!!

Liberator

Dunno.

FriedRiceNSpice

You don't just decide to make a legend one day. Its not like some Chinese guy was sitting around and said, "I have a new legend! The Japanese were originally Chinese explorers!" Legends are passed down for countless generations, and most likely that legend evolved during a time in which China and Japan weren't mortal enemies.

vincelee

and then there is the Korean exile theory.

President

you are right this time, vincelee. two korean told me their country was found by ancient chinese, i was suprised by them. they say their korean high school history course told them. i am not kidding. and they said they wrote chinese before korean character was created . and they just read chinese newspaper in front of me
http://www.slu.edu/organizations/ksa/History.htm
http://loki.stockton.edu/~gilmorew/consorti/1deasia.htm
see where is korea in Han Dynasty map
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...china/han.html
see where is korea in Yuan dynasty map
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...hina/yuan.html
see where is korea in The Three Kingdoms map
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...ekingdoms.html
see korea in Chin Dynasty
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...hina/chin.html
see korea in Ming Dynasty
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...hina/ming.html
see korea in Qing Dynasty
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...hina/qing.html

Neko

The Koreans only recently (within the past several decades) created their own phoenetic script, as the Chinese characters, which although nice, did not emobdy the Korean language. In order to remedy this, the ruler of Korea at the time (I don't recall his name) chartered the current writing system of Korea.


Also, in the northernmost sections of Japan, there is another civilization of people, akin to the Native American population of the midwestern US States, which are treated moderately by the current Japanese government, but were treated poorly in the past. They were there long before the current Japanese people. When I recall the name, I'll let you know... but an odd quirk about them is that their females tattooed their eyelids and lips to make them appear bigger, as a mark of beauty.

PiSigma

from what i heard, people try to trace japanese genes and found about 1/3 have chinese genes and a huge number have korean genes. and the koreans have genes from mongols.

FriedRiceNSpice

From what I've read, Korea was a seperate kingdom from China until the Han dynasty. Then, the Han people conquered Korea. Settlers from Han China settled in Korea, and the two peoples intermarried. Later, Mongols who have raided and settled in Korea also intermarried with the local populace.

T-U-P

politics back in those days are way more straight forward. it's basically: if you don't do what i say, im gonna destory you with my superior army. and no one else in the world would care if such a small kingdom is destoried.