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yuyueyuximing

And I believe our first posters is talking about 五胡 because he kept mentioning about five babarians.
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yes ,u are right

there are too many kingdoms in 五胡,even historians can never achieve agreement

maozedong

no, 五胡 and＋六国was the same period,五胡means five chinese northern nomades invaded China, destory Jin dynasty(西晋), five nomades fighted each other, they has total established 16 small nations in diferent times in north China, Jin dynisty retreated south of the Yangtze River, its Eastern Jin dynisty (东晋). this period was Southern and Northern Dynasties(南北朝)to started.
but five dynasty was the period after Tan, but before Song.

rhino123

I find that you always like to state the history only in parts. Have you even stated that these same armies that actually rape the women in mainland China was executed later on? You miss out that part, huh? Plus it was the soldiers and army that do it and not Kangxi that ordered it.

His army controlled by a Han General.

Link please.

Han officer uses - Cheng (臣), manchu officer use 奴才 and this word means servant and not slave.

Too tire to rebuke all your claims. But I find that you always like to look at the bad points of the history instead of the good ones. And if the Han dynasty is so good (because it is controlled by the Han), why did it collapse?

rhino123

Oops... got my history mixed up. Thanks for pointing that out. Man am I embarress.

solarz

No, the name of the nation is People's Republic of China, 中华人民共和国。

Han Dynasty died out 2000 years ago.

汉族文化也早在唐代就吸收了各种外国和少数民族文化。一个文化和民族永远都是在交流和容纳别的民族和文化才 会强大。一个自以为是，自我封闭的民族只会走向衰落和灭亡。明，清两朝就是典型的例子。

maozedong

agree, we just talk about 五胡＋六国,南北朝Southern and Northern Dynasties,五胡five of chinese nomades entered to china,but finally mix up with Han people,now,Han people not the only ethnicity of Han dynastie,our blood mixed with the five nomades ethnicity genes, Xianbei 鲜卑人taught Hans riding with stirrup.

yuyueyuximing

about "ping san fan"

<浅析清康熙朝平定"三藩之乱"研究中一个被忽视的问题——关于清军在平叛中对民间人口的荼毒劫 掠>

作 者： 刘丽君
作者单位： 中央民族大学,北京,100081
刊 名： 集宁师专学报
英文刊名： JOURNAL OF JINING TEACHERS COLLEGE
年，卷(期)： 2006 28(3)
分类号： K0
关键词： 清军 平定"三藩之乱"中 民间人口 劫掠
机标分类号： K24 F11

rhino123

Since I believe most of us couldn't assess to the document that you have shown, I have just a few questions for you.

1) Who is the general of the expedition?

2) What race was he?

(I believe the general was call Peng Chun, and he is a Han Chinese instead of a Manchu (correct me if I am wrong).)

3) And did a Manchu general or even emperor (Kangxi) actually ordered the killing, raping and whatever evil you chose to call?

4) The overall history of Qing Dynasty in the hands of Kangxi, Yongzhen and Qianlong. Is it better than Ming Dynasty or worst?

Look you cannot just judge something that was already in history by just reading a few documents and declare the entire dynasty and its rulers as evil or things like that. Of course none of us is singing praise to the Manchu, but you must admit that Manchu, like the Han, are Chinese too.

And do not just judge by looking at a few battles, some evil done and things like that. I believe History is often written in BLOOD, for all nations. And even in the Han Dynasty, you can see plenty of evil done... even in Han Wudi's period (I believe I can find some articles to support, but not today, I am pretty tired from a hectic day of work).

Oh... btw, please be clear about this... Han represent the majority population in China now... but the other minorities are also called Chinese. You may choose to call yourself whatever you want, but I believe that does not represent the entire China population.

vesicles

Again, Han is NOT the name of the nation!!! No one, I mean NO ONE, calls China as Han. You sure you didn't mean "Hua" as in Chinese 華? "Hua" would be a popular alternative term for China and people DO interchangeably use "Chinese" and "Hua people" when abroad. When Sun Zhongshan started the rebellion against Qing dynasty, he used the call "kicking out the barbarians and give us back Middle Hua". So Hua is another name for Chinese, but Han is NOT. Some usual names that have been used throughout Chinese history to describe China would be "middle kingdom", "Middle earth" (yes, this would be the same term used in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings"), central plain. again, Han is NOT one of them.

bd popeye

The discussion in this thread is way off topic and delving into the realm of ethnic strife.

We cannot tolerate that.

Thread closed.

bd popeye super moderator

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