The Chinese in WW2 (Pic thread)

[Kampfwagen]

Remember guys, China was the first to fight in WW2, way back in '37 (though technicaly, WW2 had not started yet.)

By-de-by, sorry I seem so obsessed with Pic threads, but a picture does speak a thousand words!



A Chinese gunner in an open-canopy plane.



Very intresting picture. Last two are from China, the first from the Nationalists and the second from the PLA.



Another intresting picture. A general of the PLA (Might be a national leader, not sure) meeting with FDR and Churchill.



Chinese Infantry man guards some P40's, probably from the legendary Flying Tigers Volunteer/Mercenary group.



An Ilustrated picture of a few airplanes and pilots of the American Volunteer Group, A.K.A The Flying Tigers.

[Kampfwagen]

Chairman (or rather, General) Mao, Circa 1937.



The Japanese march on China.



Graphic if only for what it leads to. The Japanese Execution block. The person is listed as a Chinese Civilian. Brave unto the end!



An orphaned child sitting on a destroyed train track. This just goes to show how very savage the attacks were on china.




Chinese Solider. A pretty nasty looking blade! Also, aparently holding a 'Broomhandle' C96 Mauser Pistol/Carbine.




An orphaned child sitting on a destroyed train track. This just goes to show how very savage the attacks were on china.

ALSO: I am looking for a picture. I saw it in a book once about WW2 and it might be on the internet. It shows a Chinese Solider with a Broomhandle Mauser 'Carbine' in the prone position taking aim on the Great Wall. If anyone can find it, much obliged!

Untill that point, I had no idea China and Japan fought on the Great Wall.

[darth sidious]

panzer boy

think I cna help you out my friend

the pic you saw is a warlord army solider in battle aginst the japanese in 1934

if you want war pic go here http://tuku.military.china.com/milit...976-990_1.html

best pic collection ever

[Red Guard]

thank you for your photos.
a few points i need to add.
first of all, the drawing of the picture is just TERRIBLE!
and just for your information. from 1937-1945, the Chinese Red Army was reformed to be part of the Chinese people's revolution army, the national defence army of the offical chinese government, more referred to "the central army". After 1937, all warlords' armies from northeast, from northwest, from sichuan, from midland, all armies including the red army were reformed to be part of chinese national defence army to fight with the japanese. and they all pretty much wear the same uniform.
the two pictures drawn are not accurate. the first one in yellow colour uniform is actually the german geared central army, there were only a few divisions like this, wearing german M35 helmet, using 98K like Zhongzheng rifle, they were pretty much all destroyed in battle of shanghai and battle of Nanjing. the second one is pretty much the general chinese army uniform. even though i think the communist army dyed the uniform to dark blue. and the red star is not right either. after 1937, all armies in china wear the same "blue sky and white sun" symble on the cap, even the communist army.
the cap is pretty much a chinese version of german mountain troop cap, issued to all armies.

also, i amnot very familiar with the english name of Broomhandle Mauser 'Carbine' , what is it? you got a photo for that? i could probably got this photo you are asking for.
and, the great wall is very long, they did fight on some parts of great.

to be a northeaster, the war started in 1931 for me.

just added this: is it a soldier wearing a M35 helmet, that's not on the great wall you know....if we are talking about the same photo.

[darth sidious]

Broomhandle pistole= ber ker pistole the one shown in all chinese war movies

more often called box cannon in chinese

central army is is well armed (one army had over 100 tanks) but too afride to fight

the most devasting defeates the the japanese are from the old war lord army

Red Guard

during the begining of the war only a small amount of the chinese army have the Zhongzheng rifle most are armed with the M1888 or japanese arisaka

[Red Guard]

mmmm. yes, you are right on zhongzheng. it started to be produced in 1935. and after 2 years the war broke out. but, what i was talking about is the elite german geared divisions of central army. not all central army. the german geared central army uses german stuff, from uniform to cars. i think i will make a thread about that later on. and i think some of the rifles used by them is the original 98K. and no, regular armies don't use japanese arisaka rifle. mostly only the communist armies and the gurrlia(bad spelling) do, since they are lack on the weapons and ammo.
i don't know about the tank part. but if there were that many tanks in the force. i believe it's the divisions that fought in southeast asia. they were the only chinese forces that found out side of china. they were issued with US and british gears as they got there. and they didn't run from battle.......

and i can't agree with you on the running part either. from my point of view the warlord's army ran from battle even more, maybe not the northeast army, because they were sent to fight with the communist and their homeland was occupied by the japanese.

[darth sidious]

the 5th army has many Russian t-26 and italian cv-33 and yes it eas send to south asia where it got bet up by the japanese

the japanese arisaka is in wide spread use before the war many warlord armies have imported arisakas or have made copies them self

during the 20s and 30s huge qunties were imported

most of the german trained army was wasted in the battle of shanghai

in the first chinese victory the battle of ter er chun (bad spelling) the war lord army did most of the fighting the central army only showned up when the japanese are hevily destoryed from weeks of street battle

here its alink on the bromehandle http://www.mgjs.com/01wenzhang/04jun...iang_niuge.htm

[renmin]

You know that photo with the Jap holding a sword looking like he's about to kill the Chinese civilian? That is the Nanjing massacre or Nanjing da tu sha in Chinese. There are much more, that photo I have seen. Hey Kampfwagon, This is China in WWII right? find more pictures of the Sino-Japo conflict or at least more Nanjing photos. China in WWII is mainly versing the japanese. The Japnese were very cruel ( im not going to talk about it, it justs makes me SICK!)

[Red Guard]

ja, the japanese rifles were imported, but i can't agree on the weight of those. to my knowledge most of the rifles used in china were the mausers, even northeast army used local made mausers.
and you are only considering the battle of tai er zhuang, there were lots of battles fought by the GMD army, from shanghai all the way to nanjing, and later on.

[darth sidious]

the northen east army and western armey are former warlord units and they do have large qunites of Arisaka

the japanese rifle was however not popular beacause of its small bullet

GMD army in battle suffered mostly defeats in 1944 whole armies simply surrendered

the mauser you are talking about is the M1888 commission rifle other wise known in china as the Hen yan rifle( after the factory where its made)

PS war lord armies in south have primitive single shot rifle so you can discount them

[PanAsian]

The Chinese guy sitting with FDR and Churchill is Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek, leader of the Chinese Nationalists, most likely at the Malta conference.

Some additional tidbit: his own generals had to kidnap him to force him to work with the communists and the warlords to fight the Japanese, instead of fighting among themselves. He later fled to Taiwan after losing the Chinese civil war after WWII.

[renmin]

Hold on, just why is a chinese soilder gaurding spitfires? they didnt have Allied airfields stationed at China did they?

[darth sidious]

the only aircraft in the pics are American P-40

shown in B and E verson

think you made a mistake

[renmin]

the only aircraft in the pics are American P-40

shown in B and E verson

think you made a mistake

Oh, I thought they were british spitfires, but my question still isnt answered, what is a Chinese soilder doing on a American airfield?

[darth sidious]

the airfield is in china built for the flying tiger most likely in kunming