Chinas best dynastic military?

Rommel, you voted for Qin right? 100 percent.

I voted for Qing....

Why, under the Qing China reached its zenith. Under emperor Kanxi, China conquered Tibet, Xinjiang, and defeated Russia. Kanxi's grandson, the Emperor Qian Long further consolidated it hold. In short, under the Qing, China reached its largest terrotorial expansion.

Unfortunately, after the reign of Qianlong, Europe over took China and the rest is history.

they had an awsome navy aswell.

there hundreds of ships sailed as far as north america

well, I choose Qin because of the Reunification, and I found this admirable that the Qin beat every country one after each other

Warring states is when the 7 countries fought, Qin was one of em, after Qin won. Den its called Qin dynasty

Warring states is when the 7 countries fought, Qin was one of em, after Qin won. Den its called Qin dynasty

well, i'm sorry, i'm confused...

No prob. (IT also granted me an extra post point)

Originally Posted by Liberator

No prob. (IT also granted me an extra post point)

havent you heard what the webmaster said? Theres no post race and if he sees someone making pointless threads just to become a "senior member" he will ban that person. I'm not kidding go and read his topic in the annouchment forum...

i chose the Ming because it had the largest navy in the history of china. also there was an extensive use and development of firearms during that time in china, Qing just abandoned the firearms that Ming made and went back to the trusty swords.

and also my last name is Zhu, if anyone have noticed.

Originally Posted by T-U-P

i chose the Ming because it had the largest navy in the history of china. also there was an extensive use and development of firearms during that time in china, Qing just abandoned the firearms that Ming made and went back to the trusty swords.

and also my last name is Zhu, if anyone have noticed.

The Qing certainly did not abandon fire arms!! They just did not advance it further than the match lock.

The Qing certainly did not abandon fire arms!! They just did not advance it further than the match lock.

They did abandon. The Qing lost to the Europeans in the opium war cuz all Qing troops uses are old cannons and swords. The Europeans had muskets.

And another word. Europeans are getting advantage, they got fire arms, they got 8 allies, Qing China was poor, not enough food for the soldiers, and some Qing soldiers smoked opium, made em weak. British that time are Evil cuz they sell opium in China.

Originally Posted by Liberator

They did abandon. The Qing lost to the Europeans in the opium war cuz all Qing troops uses are old cannons and swords. The Europeans had muskets.

And another word. Europeans are getting advantage, they got fire arms, they got 8 allies, Qing China was poor, not enough food for the soldiers, and some Qing soldiers smoked opium, made em weak. British that time are Evil cuz they sell opium in China.

Interestingly, Japan was similar to Ming/Qing China initially but they quickly adopted fire arms and established western-style army, directly trained by Americans/Europeans. I was watching "The Last Samurai" last night and I was amazed the ability of Japanese to accpet knowledge and technology from the west. The transition was very painful and bloody, and the old tradition (the Samurais) did not give up easily. By the 19th century Japan was almsot as strong as other Western powers.

Originally Posted by Liberator

They did abandon. The Qing lost to the Europeans in the opium war cuz all Qing troops uses are old cannons and swords. The Europeans had muskets.

And another word. Europeans are getting advantage, they got fire arms, they got 8 allies, Qing China was poor, not enough food for the soldiers, and some Qing soldiers smoked opium, made em weak. British that time are Evil cuz they sell opium in China.

You are wrong.

The Qing never improved on the cannons and match lock that it used to subjugate the west. In fact it was a combination of bad tactics, obsolete equipment, and bad policy that lead to defeat in the Opium wars.

First, the cannons and guns used were the same type used during the reign of Qian Long. Match lock and flint lock guns were no match for percussion cap rifles of the British. Furthermore, their forts and cannons were set up without regard to fields of fire.

Second, the Qing militia were an undiscipline mob and could not even form a proper firing line. They have never seen the type of discipline and firepower that the british push on them.

Third, the Qing dynasty was so paranoid of rebellion that they made the militia fight the british, not its 8 Banner armies that were used so effectively by Qian Long and Kanxi.

Could China win the Opium war, no. Could they stalemate the British definately.

Interestingly, Japan was similar to Ming/Qing China initially but they quickly adopted fire arms and established western-style army, directly trained by Americans/Europeans. I was watching "The Last Samurai" last night and I was amazed the ability of Japanese to accpet knowledge and technology from the west. The transition was very painful and bloody, and the old tradition (the Samurais) did not give up easily. By the 19th century Japan was almsot as strong as other Western powers.

Remember. the Qing troops did not get enough food, therefore they are slow, weak, fragile on the battlefield. Most of the money from the goverment had been stolen by lots of bad goverment officials's pockets.