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Reply With QuoteMaybe they were just innocent people that stumbled onto something. .....you know the usual "Wrong place Wrong time " thingOriginally Posted by Equation
This is a discussion on World News Thread & Breaking News!! within the Members' Club Room forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by jackliu Bond... James Bond Or possibly more like gangsta's...owning money to the mob is quite a risk ...
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Or possibly more like gangsta's...owning money to the mob is quite a risk for not only you but your family members as well.
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Maybe they were just innocent people that stumbled onto something. .....you know the usual "Wrong place Wrong time " thing
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True that's a possibility, but why kill them when you can bribe them. Wouldn't killing them in country known to have gun control would get the authority to be more suspicious and sending in more specialize investigators on the case?
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Maybe its a big drug buy or something.They would'nt want witnesses.
Then theres this speculative talk about a stand in at Bo's wifes trial thats been doing the rounds. Mrs Gu has paid well for a stand in, meanwhile shes in France crossing over to Switzerland to get all the gazillions she had stacked in the Swisss Banks. Maybe the people in the car saw her?.
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That murder BD Popeye posted the link to turned out to be an Iraqi family. Perhaps some score settling from the old country...
Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.
-Winston Churchill
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There have been a load of suggestions and most of them sound utterly disingenuous.
The man was an scientist or engineer involved in Satellites and possibly missiles. The fact that this has been glossed over and virtually ignored is possibly the most telling part of the story so far.
A family machine gunned in their own car while in a remote spot on holiday has all the hallmarks of a professional hit, as indeed was the killing of the passing cyclist. It also looks like a State rather than a gang action, give the delays in giving details and the ridiculous stories being circulated, I think we can guess which country should be top of the suspect list.
I am curious to learn which community the victims came from.
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The man came as a child to the UK and was according to British media a very capable engineer in a company that designs and builds satellites. His parents died, his father last year and the suggestion is today that there was trouble with his elder brother about the inheritance. But would any disagreement be so large that it makes sense to someone to hire assassins? I think the police are talking to give the impression that they are active while they are really scratching their heads and looking for the killer(s), any other clues and for any kind of motive that might be less outrageous. The outrageous explanation might be the true one but it is much to early to think so.
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Egyptians angry at film scale U.S. embassy walls | ReutersEgyptians angry at film scale U.S. embassy walls
People shout slogans and light flares in front of the U.S. embassy during a protest against what they said was a film being produced in the United States that was insulting to the Prophet Mohammad, in Cairo September 11, 2012. Egyptian protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and some pulled down the American flag during the protest, witnesses said. REUTERS-Amr Abdallah Dalsh
People attend a rally in front of the U.S. embassy to protest against a recently produced movie insulting Prophet Mohammad, in Cairo September 11, 2012. REUTERS-Amr Abdallah Dalsh
People shout slogans in front of the U.S. embassy during a protest against what they said was a film being produced in the United States that was insulting to the Prophet Mohammad, in Cairo September 11, 2012. Egyptian protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and some pulled down the American flag during the protest, witnesses said. REUTERS-Amr Abdallah Dalsh
(Reuters) - Egyptian protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy on Tuesday, tore down the American flag and burned it during a protest over what they said was a film being produced in the United States that insulted Prophet Mohammad.
In place of the U.S. flag, the protesters tried to raise a black flag with the words "There is no God but God, and Mohammad is his messenger", a Reuters witness said.
Once the U.S. flag was hauled down, some protesters tore it up and showed off pieces to television cameras. Others burned the remains outside the fortress-like embassy building in central Cairo. But some protesters objected to the flag burning.
Many Muslims consider any depiction of the Prophet to be offensive.
"This movie must be banned immediately and an apology should be made," said 19-year-old Ismail Mahmoud, a member of the so-called "ultras" soccer supporters who played a big role in the uprising that brought down Hosni Mubarak last year.
He called on President Mohamed Mursi, Egypt's first civilian president and an Islamist, to take action, without giving details of the film that angered him or other protesters.
About 20 people stood on top of the embassy wall, while about 2,000 protesters gathered outside. The demonstrators were mainly supporters of Islamist groups or "ultras" youths.
Rafik Farouk, 38, an Egyptian Christian, also took part. "I am here because I am Egyptian and reject anything that insults Islam or anything that sparks division in Egypt," he said.
Washington has a big mission in Egypt, partly because of a huge aid programme that followed Egypt's signing of a peace treaty with Israel in 1979. The United States gives $1.3 billion to Egypt's military each year and offers the nation other aid.
U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland in Washington said the wall was breached and the flag removed.
"We are obviously working with Egyptian security to try to restore order at the embassy and to work with them to try to get the situation under control," she said.
Following the protest, Egypt's Foreign Ministry said it was committed to giving all embassies the necessary protection.
The U.S. embassy had put out a statement earlier on Tuesday condemning "misguided individuals" who hurt the religious feelings of Muslims or followers of other religions.
"We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others," the U.S. embassy said in its statement.
MUSLIM ANGER
Although it was not clear which film prompted the protests, Egypt's prestigious Al-Azhar mosque and seat of Sunni learning condemned on Tuesday a symbolic "trial" of the Prophet organised by a U.S. group including Terry Jones, a Christian pastor who triggered riots in Afghanistan in 2010 by threatening to burn the Koran.
According to the website Home | Stand Up America, Jones and others were due to take part in an event on Tuesday - the anniversary of the September 11 attacks by al Qaeda on U.S. cities - called "International Judge Mohammad Day" in Florida. It was due to be carried live on the Internet.
Some activists had mentioned Jones in calls for a protest.
Egypt's Coptic Orthodox church also condemned in a statement some Copts living abroad who it said financed "the production of a film insulting Prophet Mohammad", a state website reported. About a 10th of Egypt's 83 million people are Christians.
Protests have become a common feature in Egypt since the uprising that ousted long-time U.S.-ally Mubarak. When U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited in July, after Mursi was sworn in, her motorcade was pelted with tomatoes.
Some demonstrators shouted slogans against her and some slogans were against Islamists, reflecting perceptions of some opponents of Islamists who have swept Egypt's presidency and a parliamentary vote that Washington helped Islamists to power.
In Mubarak's era, protests were usually swiftly halted by an often brutally efficient police force.
One slogan scrawled on the walls of the embassy, which is near Tahrir Square where Egyptians revolted against Mubarak, said: "If your freedom of speech has no limits, may you accept our freedom of action."
In another incident prompted by similar religious sentiments last month, a lone man attacked the German embassy with homemade nail bombs and a hammer, cracking glass at the entrance, after he read a report about a protest in Germany where demonstrators paraded caricatures of the Prophet outside a mosque.
No one was injured and there was no serious damage to the embassy during the incident.
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^^^ Someone died in a similar incident in the US consulate at Benghazi
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Chris Stevens, U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in rocket attack, served as envoy during revolution | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
Sad news, my heart goes out to all the victims families.
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Yes, but it might well be that they paid part of the price for the destruction of Libya.
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I feel bad for what happen to him and his staff personally, but this is really nothing surprising, how naive are people to think just because someone hate their own government, it somehow means they will like US. However it is surprising just how quick the blow-back is, the Taliban took 3 decades to strike back, the Libyans only took 1 year.
Chances are, after Syria and Iran falls, the same type of people will take control as well. Bad for US, bad for Europe and bad for China.
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What will happen if this happens in a street in China?
Japan's newly appointed envoy to China faints on street in Tokyo - Xinhua | English.news.cn
TOKYO, Sept. 13 (Xinhua) -- Japan's newly appointed Ambassador to China Shinichi Nishimiya fell unconscious on a street in Tokyo Thursday morning, police said, adding that the sudden faint was caused by illness.
Nishimiya's appointment had just been approved by the government on Tuesday to replace current Japanese Ambassador to China Uichiro Niwa, at a time when the two countries are embroiled in a dispute over a group of islands in the East China Sea, local media reported.
A passerby saw the 60-year-old Nishimiya suddenly faint on a street in Tokyo's Shibuya Ward. Nishimiya was soon taken to hospital, said police.
As deputy foreign minister in charge of economic affairs, Nishimiya had until recently been making arrangements with other countries in relation to the just-concluded summit of the Asia- Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Vladivostok, Russia, said local media.
A newly appointed ambassador usually begins work in the designated country within 40 days of the appointment after being briefed by his or her predecessor in Japan, according to the Japanese foreign ministry.
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This is the trailer for the movie that is said to have been the reason why US embassies have been attacked and killed the US ambassador and three others in Libya.
Anyone that has worked in the film business would know, what's frightening is this is very low production value at the level of beginners. And this causes an international incident? It would've gotten zero attention publicly if it didn't have the religious insults. This can get out of control beyond what governments can do. Simply anyone with an HD camera including iPhones can make a movie at this level. On one side you have people who believe in free speech and on the other extremists capable of violence for religion. Do you see either side surrendering? I expect more "movies" to be made soon with the same intentions.
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US intelligence is now suggesting that the film is used as a coverup or excuse by Al-Quada as a way of rallying support and attacking the west. This actually sounds pretty probable.
Protest Erupts at US Embassies in Sana'a, Yemen and Cairo - Yahoo!
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