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Reply With QuoteAmerican ships have also run aground on territorial waters that they've charted, so that's not in itself a strange occurrence (especially since underwater terrain changes quite a bit and needs persistent surveying).Originally Posted by bladerunner
This is a discussion on World News Thread & Breaking News!! within the Members' Club Room forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by no_name Accidents happen, do you find it ironic too that sometimes air force jets of various nations ...
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I can understand where youre coming from after all the NZ navy has grounded one of its own boats
However given the geopolitical dispute up there the repercussions aren't quite the same especially after Chinese claims of charting and sailing the waters for centuries. They went up to wave the big stick and prevent any fishing and ended up making themselves look rather foolish. There's a fair chance the Fillipinoes are falling over themselves with laughter.
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American ships have also run aground on territorial waters that they've charted, so that's not in itself a strange occurrence (especially since underwater terrain changes quite a bit and needs persistent surveying).
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Before They Deal With Chinese Navy, They Have To Deal With The Fleet Of Chinese Fishing Boats
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That's true, though from my experience as a weekend boatie and I was taught by a master, under certain circumstances one can see where those bars are by the way the water/current flows. I have navigated my way up the Kaipara harbour in NZ. Its the second biggest harbour in the world by coastline with lots of sand bars that can shift every weeksome in a day and is littered with losts of shipwrecks.
As for the SCS, given that the whole area is known for its underwater obstacles whose hazardous nature is determined by the tide, i would assume they would have experienced fishermen as consultants as well as very strongly laid out do's and don'ts.on what one can do in the absence of up to date charts. I wonder if they were strictly adhered to?. I wonder if will get to read about the reasons for the accident instead of a annoucement that they were sailing along and suddenly ...bonk.
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At least 10 killed in US cinema shooting: report
A signboard outside a Midnight Premiere showing of the "The Dark Knight Rises" on Thursday. At least 14 people were killed and 50 wounded early Friday when a gunman opened fire at a crowded premiere of the new Batman movie in the US state of Colorado, the local police chief said.
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - At least 10 people were killed and several wounded early Friday when two gunmen wearing gas masks and body armor opened fire at a crowded cinema premiere in the US city of Aurora, media reported.
Police arrested one of the alleged gunmen and were searching for the other, following chaotic scenes at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises," the latest Batman movie, KDVR, a local Fox affiliate, reported.
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The full story of the theater shooting in Colorado. Tragic.
Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 12 People Dead - Yahoo!
A lone gunman burst into a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., at a midnight showing of the latest Batman film, "The Dark Knight Rises," and opened fire, killing at least 12 people and injuring at least 50, police said.
James Holmes, 24, of North Aurora, was apprehended at the scene clad in a bullet-proof vest and riot helmet.
Witnesses said Holmes crashed into the movie theater from an emergency exit door at the front of the auditorium, setting off a smoke bomb and then shooting off dozens of rounds from multiple firearms, police told ABC News.
Holmes was caught by police in the parking lot of the Century 16 Movie Theaters, nine miles outside of Denver, after police began receiving dozens of 911 calls at 12:39 a.m. MT. He was carrying a gas mask, rifle, and handgun, and police believe at least one other gun was left in the movie theater. Police said the suspect mentioned having explosives stored, leading them to evacuate his entire North Aurora apartment complex and search the buildings.
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Dozens of victims were taken to local hospitals, including a child as young as 6 years old.
Witnesses said that the man stalked the aisles of the theater as panicked movie-watchers in the packed theater tried to escape.
"The suspect throws tear gas in the air, and as the tear gas appears he started shooting," said Lamar Lane, who was watching the midnight showing of the movie with his brother. "It was very hard to breathe. I told my brother to take cover. It took awhile. I started seeing flashes and screaming, I just saw blood and people yelling and a quick glimpse of the guy who had a gas mask on. I was pushed out. There was chaos, we started running."
Witnesses described the confusion as the smoke bomb filled the theater and the man opened fire.
"We were maybe 20 or 30 minutes into the movie and all you hear, first you smell smoke, everybody thought it was fireworks or something like that, and then you just see people dropping and the gunshots are constant," witness Christ Jones told ABC's Denver affiliate KMGH. "I heard at least 20 to 30 rounds within that minute or two."
A man who talked to a couple who was inside the theater told ABC News, "They got up and they started to run through the emergency exit, and that when she turned around, she said all she saw was the guy slowly making his way up the stairs and just firing at people, just picking random people," he said. "The gunshot continued to go on and on and then after we didn't hear anything," the couple told the man, "we finally got up and there was people bleeding, there was people obviously may have been actually dead or anything, and we just ran up out of there, there was chaos everywhere."
Witnesses and victims were taken to Gateway High School for questioning.
There's about 100 FBI agents on the scene assisting with the investigation, according to the local special agent in charge. Once apprehended, the gunman told authorities that there were explosives in his North Aurora residence. Investigators rushed to the apartment complex, which was quickly evacuated and is now under lockdown. A senior official who is monitoring the situation in Washington said that early guidance based on the early snapshot of this man's background indicated that this act does not appear to be linked to radical terrorism or anything related to Islamic terrorism.
In a statement, President Obama said, "Michelle and I are shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting in Colorado. Federal and local law enforcement are still responding, and my administration will do everything that we can to support the people of Aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time. We are committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded."
Investigators confirmed that explosives were found. It is unclear if they were scheduled to detonate or if it was part of a stockpile.
Though police have said that they believe the shooter was acting alone, they checked all cars in the parking lot and cleared thge area near the theater.
Patrons in the theater where the shooting took place, along with those in an adjacent theater also viewing the action-packed movie, were unsure of what was happening, although bullets penetrated the adjacent theater. A man who was in the adjacent theater with his son, said that the commotion began as one of the action scenes was starting up.
"These guys came through, and they say someone's shooting," he said. "I thought, 'Oh, they must have heard the fireworks, you know ... I had no idea. And then the alarms started to go off in the theater.'"
An explosive device was also found inside the movie house. Police are not sure whether the device, which investigators are calling a bomb, was already in place or whether it was thrown into the crowd.
Ambulances rushed to the scene as audience members fled the theater. Aurora's police chief said that he could not elaborate on women or children injured or dead in the shooting.
Investigators are now interviewing friends and associates of the suspect to get a sense of the man's background.
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OMG, My sincere condolences to all the victims families and friends that suffered from this tragedy!Again at the same time it also makes me mad, reminds me of the that Choi guy from the Virginia Tech University shootings several years ago.
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As I recall Choi was known to be disturbed/rather strange, by fellow students. It would be interesting to find out how this guy interfaced with his fellow humans.OMG, My sincere condolences to all the victims families and friends that suffered from this tragedy!
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Did you see that one police dog (German Shepherd) went after that one dude?
"Dunn said the dog somehow got out of a patrol car and was deployed accidentally.”
We have to wait and see what causes this demise.
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Amongst all that depressing stuff, Chinese scientists have given us something to cheer about. They have worked out we have a minimum of 16.7billion years or a maximum of 103.5 billion to go before the world destructs .
Chinese physicists calculate new date for doomsday - Birmingham science news | Examiner.com
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CNN is full of it. Everyday now they have to mention they're not going to mention James Holmes' name. They can do that without mentioning that either. Of course it's CNN advertising how much they care in order to get ratings. It's not altruism when you expect to be rewarded.
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I trust the idiots in this story will be defeated:
Predominantly white Baptist church in Mississippi closes door to black couple's wedding | The Clarion-Ledger | clarionledger.com
Predominantly white Baptist church in Mississippi closes door to black couple's wedding
Some members complain about race
11:28 PM, Jul. 27, 2012
A Jackson couple had their wedding rehearsal last week, two days before their scheduled big day at the Crystal Springs church where they were planning to get married.
But the couple's dream of exchanging vows in the church they had been attending was dashed when the church pastor relayed to them that some members had complained about the black couple getting married in the predominantly white First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs.
Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson said it was devastating having to move their wedding to another church only days before the July 21 wedding.
Charles Wilson said that he and his wife sent out invitations and the printed program with their wedding date of July 21 at First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs.
Insiders say five or six members went to the Rev. Stan Weatherford after seeing the couple's wedding rehearsal the Thursday night before their Saturday wedding.
The church pastor said he was surprised by the reaction of some church members.
"I didn't want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn't want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te'Andrea. I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day," Weatherford told WLBT-Channel 3.
Charles Wilson said it was a huge disappointment that he and his wife couldn't get married at the church they attended because of the color of their skin.
"I feel like it was blatant racial discrimination," Wilson said Friday.
The 150-year-old church hasn't had any black couples married there in modern times. Weatherford married the couple but moved the ceremony to a nearby church.
Wilson said he had been attending the church for about a month and his now wife had been attending for more than a year. His wife's father also attended the church, and her uncle was custodian at the church.
"Prior to this, I had been telling people how nice they were here," Wilson said. "It makes you re-evaluate things. We were doing everything right. We wanted to get married."
Wilson said he understands Weatherford was caught in a difficult position and he still likes the pastor, but he also thinks the pastor should have stood up to the members who didn't want the couple to marry in the church.
"If you're for Christ, you can't straddle the fence," Wilson said of Weatherford. "He knew it was wrong."
Casey Kitchens, 37, attends First Baptist Church where she married her husband, Matthew, the son of Mississippi Supreme Court Justice Jim Kitchens.
Justice Kitchens was out of the state on Friday and couldn't be reached for comment.
Casey Kitchens said she and other members of the congregation are outraged by the church's refusal to marry a black couple, a decision she says most of the congregation knew nothing about.
"This is a small, small group of people who made a terrible decision," Kitchens said. "I'm just ashamed right now that my church would do that. I can't fathom why. How unfair. How unjust. It's just wrong."
Kitchens said though nothing can be done to change what happened, she hopes those responsible for it will make an effort to fix it.
"The men and women who did this thought they could sweep it under the rug," she said. "If two people love each other, they should be able to get married whether they're black, white, green, purple or yellow. It's just that simple."
Justice Kitchen's son John Kitchens, who was in Chicago with his father, said in an email message that he stopped attending First Baptist over two years ago.
"In fact, we requested our letter to be moved to another church earlier this week. Moving our letter this week is a coincidence, as we intended to do it well before learning of how Mr. and Mrs. Wilson were treated," he said.
When you "move your letter," you officially change your membership to another church.
Mississippi Baptist Convention Executive Director the Rev. Jim Futral said it was unfortunate what happened.
"It's not reflective of the spirit of the Lord and Mississippi Baptists," Futral said. "It's just a step backward. ... It's a sad thing."
Futral said that when he was marrying couples he had no restrictions on marrying anyone. "I realized I have never seen anything like that," Futral said of a church not wanting a couple to get married there because of their race.
"I wonder what brought that on? Who said that and how did that come about?" Futral asked.
He said immeasurable progress has been made in Baptists of all races working together. "We take several steps forward and one backward," Futral said.
Last month, the Southern Baptist Convention elected its first leader who is African American. The Rev. Fred Luter Jr. of New Orleans was elected president of the nation's largest Protestant denomination.
The denomination has been trying to expand its appeal beyond its traditional white Southern base. Membership has been generally declining in recent years.
Luter was at a married couples retreat on Friday and couldn't be reached for comment.
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^^ Bigotry pure and simple...
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The electricity grids in Northern and Eastern India have collapsed:
BBC News - India's power grid crisis deepens
Am I right in thinking Indian industry is mainly served by these two grids? At any rate as many countries depend on growth in trade with emerging markets in the current uncertain times this is a blow to the economy of the whole world.31 July 2012 Last updated at 09:49 GMT
India's power grid crisis deepens
A massive power breakdown has hit India for a second day running, leaving more than half the country without power.
Officials said the northern and eastern grids had both collapsed. All Delhi metro services have been halted and staff are trying to evacuate trains.
Monday's power failure caused severe disruption and travel chaos across northern India.
It was unclear why the grid collapsed but the power minister said some states may have been taking too much power.
Sushil Kumar Shinde said power would be restored in "another 90 minutes".
After Monday's cut, engineers managed to restore electricity to the northern grid by the evening, but at 01:05pm (0735 GMT) on Tuesday, it collapsed again.
The eastern grid failed around the same time, officials said.
"Both the northern and eastern grids have collapsed. Please allow us to address the problem," AFP news agency quoted VK Agrawal, the general manager of the northern grid, as saying.
The two grids together serve more than half of India's 1.2bn people.
The breakdown has hit a large swathe of the country including Delhi, Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Rajasthan states in the north, and West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa and Jharkhand in the east.
An official in Orissa said the blackout in the eastern grid had been triggered by a fault and could take several hours to resolve.
Railway officials said more than 350 trains were stranded, and hospitals and essential services were running on backup generators.
Across West Bengal, power went at 13:00 and all suburban railway trains on the eastern railways ground to a halt from Howrah and Seladah stations, the BBC's Rahul Tandon reports from Calcutta.
However, the city is not badly affected as it is served by a private electricity board, our correspondent adds.
Power cuts are common in Indian cities because of a fundamental shortage of power and an ageing grid - the chaos caused by such cuts has led to protests and unrest on the streets in the past.
But the collapse of an entire grid is rare - the last time the northern grid failed was in 2001.
India's demand for electricity has soared in recent years as its economy has grown but its power infrastructure has been unable to meet the growing needs.
Correspondents say unless there is a huge investment in the power sector, the country will see many more power failures.
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