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    A war is fought with the weapons available to each side. That's how it works.. Never has been nor will there ever be a level field of play during a war.

    Ernest Hemingway stated..

    "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime. Ask the infantry and ask the dead".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    A war is fought with the weapons available to each side. That's how it works.. Never has been nor will there ever be a level field of play during a war.

    Ernest Hemingway stated..

    "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime. Ask the infantry and ask the dead".
    Well said!

    So what is with this American insistence on calling attacks launched by insurgents using the weapons and means available to them as 'cowardly'?

    Were the Libyan rebels or are Syrian insurgents that the west love so much 'cowardly' because they are holed up inside of cities?

    If the Syrian rebels said to Assad, 'hey stop shelling these cities with women and children in them, we will come out into the open and let's have at it', do you think Assad will be annoyed or delighted?
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    Well said!

    So what is with this American insistence on calling attacks launched by insurgents using the weapons and means available to them as 'cowardly'?

    Were the Libyan rebels or are Syrian insurgents that the west love so much 'cowardly' because they are holed up inside of cities?

    If the Syrian rebels said to Assad, 'hey stop shelling these cities with women and children in them, we will come out into the open and let's have at it', do you think Assad will be annoyed or delighted?

    You do not want to know my answer to your first question..it may hurt your feelings.. so I shall not answer. and... I'm no politician..I just happy I live in the USA.
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    So is there a difference between a Viet Cong gorilla forces and an insurgence? Giving that they both fought the occupying forces with all their might with the available of weapons they possessed, how different are they to a soldier? My answer to it, is none. It just two side murdering each other until someone or something gives. If it does not, then we all wake up in the same bright light of space (you can call it heaven). Rules of engagement and perspective of war has change a lot when the first atomic bomb was dropped in Hiroshima, Japan.

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    You do not want to know my answer to your first question..it may hurt your feelings.. so I shall not answer. and... I'm no politician..I just happy I live in the USA.
    Why would your answer hurt my feelings? I take no sides in that conflict, certain behaviour on both sides annoy me, and I speak out when it does, that's all.

    If I seem to criticise the US military more, it is because I hold them to a higher standard than the insurgents. As I believe is only fair, after all, if I was in the US military, I would find it insulting if someone think I am only capable of the level of behaviour you would expect from drug running religious fanatics or the hired guns of petty local warlords.

    I find it troubling that there appear to be a culture of total lack of respect towards one's enemies in the American military.

    Such an attitude is unprofessional and dangerous to all.

    It is dangerous to civilians because a total lack of respect for local fighters all too easily turns into a lack of respect for all locals, with all the abuses and ills that that brings; it is dangerous to American troops themselves because if the arrogance that helped create such a lack of regard for opposing fighters become institutionalised, American soldiers and commanders may struggle to get into the right mindset if and when they face a decently equipped and competent enemy, as is likely to be case if the US continues on it's war march towards Iran.

    I always think it is far better to give the enemy more respect than he deserves than to be made to pay in blood for showing a worthy enemy too little respect.

    The Chinese learnt that after many unnecessary losses and defeats. Is the American military so proud that it needs to taste such bitter regret first hand in order to understand the dangers of belittling your enemies so?
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    A BBC correspondent just returned to Kabul:
    BBC News - Will Afghan Koran row prove Nato's tipping point?
    Will Afghan Koran row prove Nato's tipping point?

    By Andrew North
    BBC News, Kabul


    There is an end of an era feeling in Kabul these days - for what Afghans see as the latest foreign venture in their country.

    They have seen off the Russians and the British before and now it is America's time that is drawing to a close, with the British and other Nato allies eager to depart with them.

    The revelation that US troops had dumped copies of the Koran into an incineration pit may hasten that end.

    At the very least, it has provided an open goal for the Taliban and anyone else who wants to provoke anti-American and anti-foreigner sentiments.

    There are few more emotive issues in Afghanistan than allegations of the Islamic holy book being desecrated.

    It has triggered violent disturbances as far back as 2005 - even when the claims of the Koran being mishandled have not been substantiated.

    'Same mistakes'

    Last year, at least 10 people were killed in Mazar-e Sharif after news reached Afghanistan of an extremist American pastor burning a Koran in faraway Florida.
    There is quiet fury within the Afghan government towards the Americans at what one official calls their "brainless" behaviour.

    They are making the "same mistakes as the Russians" says Afghan analyst Omar Safi - failing to respect the Muslim religion.

    "No-one should die because of a few books being set on fire," one Afghan official told me on condition of anonymity.

    But "that is no excuse" he said, for American actions.

    Even people still well-disposed towards them cannot believe how they could have allowed this to happen, after more than a decade here and many previous mistakes.

    Never before have the Americans apologised so quickly and so profusely as this time - but it sounds hollow to many Afghans.

    Battle for perceptions

    Returning to Afghanistan after several years away, it is striking how much the mood has changed against the US and its allies.

    From recent episodes of troops urinating on Taliban bodies to the many instances of civilians being killed over the past 11 years, attitudes towards the Americans have progressively hardened.
    There is also widespread frustration at how little has changed, despite the huge quantities of money that have poured in here.

    In the main battleground areas of southern and eastern Afghanistan, there are fewer outdoor wedding parties these days - because they have been bombed so many times by US pilots who think they are seeing Taliban gatherings from thousands of feet up.

    The US and its Nato allies rightly argue the Taliban kill far more civilians with their suicide and other attacks.

    But the Americans are the ones who claim to uphold the highest standards.

    What is more, the US doctrine is supposed to be "to protect the population".

    So this is how they are judged.

    And as has been said so many times in the past, there is no military solution in Afghanistan. It is ultimately a battle for perceptions.

    More conspiratorially-minded Afghans find it hard to believe these Korans were burnt by mistake.

    US troops must have done it deliberately, some say, to create instability - so they can stay longer.

    For the moment though, it is the Americans who are on the defensive - giving the much-criticised government of President Hamid Karzai some relief.

    With US-Afghan negotiations over a strategic partnership still bogged down over issues like night-time raids and control of prisoners, Mr Karzai has been quick to seize the advantage - saying the Koran burning disaster would not have happened if the Afghans had been in charge.

    The Korans were originally taken from prisoners in US detention, because the Americans apparently believed detainees were using the books to pass messages.

    With anti-American demonstrations spreading across the country, what may just have been soldiers obeying a simple order could turn into a tipping point.
    This journalist is formulating circumspectly but apparently thinks like me that the end is coming soon. At the same time two men from the American Enterprise Institute want the US Army to return to Iraq. See this Opinion from The Washington Post:
    Why the U.S. should reverse course on Iraq - The Washington Post
    Why the U.S. should reverse course on Iraq

    By Danielle Pletka and and Gary Schmitt, Published: February 25

    Danielle Pletka is the vice president for foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute. Gary Schmitt is a resident scholar at AEI.

    this month, Obama administration officials revealed plans to dramatically reduce embassy staff in Baghdad, the largest U.S. diplomatic mission abroad. Along with the announcement in December of the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq — the message President Obama is sending is clear: The sooner we put Iraq in the rearview mirror, the better.

    But this is a mistake. Far from distancing ourselves from Iraq, we should draw it, and its Shiite prime minister, closer still. Iraq could be the linchpin of a new U.S. strategy for the Middle East at a time when one is desperately needed.

    A year ago, it appeared that the United States was committed to Iraq for the long term, with a small but necessary troop presence and an overwhelming diplomatic one. But American ambivalence and Iraqi politics got in the way of maintaining a U.S. military footprint. Not to worry, senior administration officials said; troops in camouflage would be replaced by “troops” in pinstripes. But the commitment was little more than rhetorical; after the military exited, U.S. officials quickly decided that Iraq was too unstable for a full, continuing engagement with its government.

    Unfortunately, the administration has mistaken cause and effect. Although ethnic and religious differences undoubtedly make working with Iraqis difficult, it was the U.S. vote of no confidence in Iraq’s future that helped precipitate renewed sectarian violence, breathed life into al-Qaeda in Iraq, empowered Tehran to stir the Iraqi political pot and gave vent to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s worst instincts. He feels insecure — rightly so — and is casting about for patrons in a neighborhood where any will exact a heavy price.

    Washington has lost a valuable opportunity to nurture and support a key counterweight to Iranian influence among Shiites in the Arab world.

    Great hopes were once vested in Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the senior-most cleric in Shiite Islam and leader of its most influential seminary, in Najaf, Iraq. Sistani is everything that the leaders of the Iranian regime are not: sage, venerated and opposed to the doctrine — “velayat e-faqih,” or the jurisprudence of the clerics — that underpins Iran’s theocratic system.

    Faced with this challenge, Tehran has taken great pains to constrain Sistani and his “quietist” Shiite tradition — aggressively promoting its own, more politicized seminaries, subsidizing education for Shiite clerics throughout the Persian Gulf region and attempting to install Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, a former Iranian judiciary chief, in Najaf as a counterweight to Sistani.

    If Iran succeeds in sidelining Sistani, any chance of Iraq assuming the mantle of leader of the Arab Shiites and providing a model distinct from the Iranian/Hezbollah recipe of extremism and violence will be lost.

    Yet, because Iraq’s Shiites have historically rejected both Iranian leadership and Iranian models of governance, there remains the possibility of an alternative Shiite vision. That vision, and Sistani’s influence in shaping it, ultimately depends on the success of Iraq itself.

    Washington can reclaim the partnership with Maliki and once again set Iraq on the path to a stable future. How? First, the president must rethink his decision to drastically downsize the U.S. Embassy. It’s easy to understand his decision, as many are hard-put to imagine how thousands of diplomats, contractors, aid managers, security officers and spooks can manage in a complex and increasingly turbulent political situation in Baghdad.

    Ideally, they could do so if Obama were willing to reverse course on keeping U.S. troops in Iraq. Why revisit the failed negotiation that preceded the troops’ withdrawal? For one thing, while the Iraqi government was undoubtedly a difficult negotiating partner, nearly all the major parties in Iraq stated publicly that they wanted U.S. troops to remain. For Maliki, an American presence would offer a chance to sustain outside investment, restore stability and renew regional confidence in Iraq. And, most important, it would give him greater confidence in dealing with Tehran.

    Realistically, however, Obama is unlikely to risk the ire of his base or take on the complicated task of reopening the troops agreements with Iraq. But this does not mean that any U.S. enterprise in Iraq is doomed. Rather, it will require a redoubled commitment to Iraq’s democratic government and urgent efforts to knit Iraq into the gulf community.

    As Sunni gulf nations look with growing concern toward Iran, they must be convinced that supporting Iraq’s government and empowering Maliki against Iranian predations and Sunni extremists is in their vital interest. Americans, working in concert with Iraq’s neighbors, including Turkey and countries along the gulf, must fight diplomatically and economically to retain the territory that was won militarily.

    None of this will be easy. But with so much of the Muslim world in turmoil, the last thing we need is to compound that turmoil by turning our backs on Iraq.
    The first five comments on this opinion are, quite understandably, very negative. They must be thinking of attacking Iran from two sides, now there is still time.
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    Mayor says 3 dead in Canadian train derailment - Yahoo! News

    BURLINGTON, Ontario (AP) — The mayor of Burlington, Ontario says three people are dead after a Canadian Via Rail passenger train derailed in his town.

    Mayor Rick Goldring says emergency crews are working to pull other passengers from the wreckage and at least one air ambulance is on standby.

    Via Rail spokeswoman Michelle Lamarche said 75 people were on board the train traveling from Niagara Falls to Toronto, when it derailed Sunday afternoon near Aldershot station.

    Via Rail says the three people killed were all employees of the railroad who were riding in the locomotive.

    Goldring says the crash caused minor damage to nearby buildings.

    Police haven't released any details about the accident.
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    OMG...my hearts goes out to the victims and their families on this tragedy.

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    Another school shooting in the US..

    Chardon High School Shooting: Four Shot, One in Custody - Yahoo!

    Four students were injured and one gunman is in custody following a shooting this morning at Chardon High School in Ohio, according to ABC News' Cleveland affiliate WEWS.

    Two students were taken by helicopter to Hillcrest Hospital and two were taken to MetroHealth Hospital, according to WEWS.

    The station cited the FBI while reporting that a gunman was in custody.

    "We are on scene and can confirm that a SWAT team is out there, making things secure and, of course, conducting the preliminary steps of the invesitgation with the local authorities that called us," Vicki Anderson, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Cleveland division, told ABCNews.com.

    The Chardon Fire Department was called to the school at about 7:45 a.m. in response to a report of "several people shot," according to Inspector William Crowley of the Chardon Fire Department.

    Multiple law enforcement agencies are on-scene, including a SWAT team that is checking the entire school.

    The superintendent immediately canceled classes at all schools in the district. Students who were still on school buses were being dropped back off at their homes and parents were called to pick up their children that were already at school.

    The Chardon School District sent a voicemail to parents that schools are closed and high school students are being moved to the middle school, according to WEWS.

    Chardon is a village in Geauga County, about 35 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio.


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    Another school shooting in the US..

    Chardon High School Shooting: Four Shot, One in Custody - Yahoo!

    Four students were injured and one gunman is in custody following a shooting this morning at Chardon High School in Ohio, according to ABC News' Cleveland affiliate WEWS.

    Two students were taken by helicopter to Hillcrest Hospital and two were taken to MetroHealth Hospital, according to WEWS.

    The station cited the FBI while reporting that a gunman was in custody.

    "We are on scene and can confirm that a SWAT team is out there, making things secure and, of course, conducting the preliminary steps of the invesitgation with the local authorities that called us," Vicki Anderson, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Cleveland division, told ABCNews.com.

    The Chardon Fire Department was called to the school at about 7:45 a.m. in response to a report of "several people shot," according to Inspector William Crowley of the Chardon Fire Department.

    Multiple law enforcement agencies are on-scene, including a SWAT team that is checking the entire school.

    The superintendent immediately canceled classes at all schools in the district. Students who were still on school buses were being dropped back off at their homes and parents were called to pick up their children that were already at school.

    The Chardon School District sent a voicemail to parents that schools are closed and high school students are being moved to the middle school, according to WEWS.

    Chardon is a village in Geauga County, about 35 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio.
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    It seems that almost every news article posted here is bad news.

    Maybe we should post some good news or amusing news as well to remind ourselves that there are happy and funny things happening all the time as well.

    Here is my contribution in that regard.

    Artificial meat: Hamburger junction | The Economist

    The development breakthrough is very interesting as it could potentially one day lead to us being able to enjoy the taste nutritional benefits from eating meat without having to take life or cause misery to animals to do so. Well, those of us who can afford the hefty price tag of doing so at least.

    Although it amuses me to think that there will probably be far wider opposition and distaste (culturally, morally and religiously) towards eating artificial meat than the idea of animal cruelty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plawolf View Post
    It seems that almost every news article posted here is bad news.

    Maybe we should post some good news or amusing news as well to remind ourselves that there are happy and funny things happening all the time as well.

    Here is my contribution in that regard.

    Artificial meat: Hamburger junction | The Economist

    The development breakthrough is very interesting as it could potentially one day lead to us being able to enjoy the taste nutritional benefits from eating meat without having to take life or cause misery to animals to do so. Well, those of us who can afford the hefty price tag of doing so at least.

    Although it amuses me to think that there will probably be far wider opposition and distaste (culturally, morally and religiously) towards eating artificial meat than the idea of animal cruelty.

    I don't know about that lab meat man. It looks suspicious and unnatural.
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    I don't know about that lab meat man. It looks suspicious and unnatural.
    I bet you wouldn't say no to it, if it was served up like airline food on a trip to Mars. But no problems for me as the closest to Mars Im likely to get is ome of those "Mars Bars" (chocolate bardy/candy, to those not in the know)
    and also my doctor told me to eat less meat, so i wonder if this would count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plawolf View Post
    It seems that almost every news article posted here is bad news.

    Maybe we should post some good news or amusing news as well to remind ourselves that there are happy and funny things happening all the time as well.

    Here is my contribution in that regard.

    Artificial meat: Hamburger junction | The Economist

    The development breakthrough is very interesting as it could potentially one day lead to us being able to enjoy the taste nutritional benefits from eating meat without having to take life or cause misery to animals to do so. Well, those of us who can afford the hefty price tag of doing so at least.

    Although it amuses me to think that there will probably be far wider opposition and distaste (culturally, morally and religiously) towards eating artificial meat than the idea of animal cruelty.
    And we wonder why there are diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Prostate Cancer and so on, in the world. Genetically modified food is un-natural and only encourages goons like the ones in Pentagon, asking for Bio-Fuels. Then the world wonders why there is a food crises!! It's simple phrase, 'A stupid is as a stupid does', eat, promote or advocate this, and you'll find yourself on the wrong side of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    I bet you wouldn't say no to it, if it was served up like airline food on a trip to Mars. But no problems for me as the closest to Mars Im likely to get is ome of those "Mars Bars" (chocolate bardy/candy, to those not in the know)
    and also my doctor told me to eat less meat, so i wonder if this would count.
    LOL...Yes, served by a beautiful Asian lady in a skimpy French maid uniform in first class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    I bet you wouldn't say no to it, if it was served up like airline food on a trip to Mars. But no problems for me as the closest to Mars Im likely to get is ome of those "Mars Bars" (chocolate bardy/candy, to those not in the know)
    and also my doctor told me to eat less meat, so i wonder if this would count.
    Mars, Crunchy, Snickers, lion and picnic. In Halloween we bought those treat sized mars/crunchy bars in bags (around 20 each bag?) and give one out to each visiting kids. Less hassle than passing fistfulls of lollies and everyone gets exactly the same thing. Children prefer them to normal candies and you know exactly how much servings left.
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