Western Media bias against China

well the situation is more fustraiting here in finland, i mean there is hardly any 'positive' news of any of these 'rogue' states like china, DPRK, Iran, Cuba...the so called 'free wrold' myth would work much better if the stances who controlls the media would least show some sort of effort to conceal the agendas. But when you brainwash kids from elementary school how the media is independent and not controlled anybody and we have freedom of speech and so on...no wonder that people buy all the stuff gets to their head and doesent questionize anything that is getting feeded to them...and if you claim anything controversial theres that big bad USSR goblin stamp to but onto you...
so forgive me some of the fustration but thats just the way it is, there is no unbiased truth, or any such concept of neutral stance to anything...all its filtred by the tellers own ideas of good and bad...and its not helping when all finnish media is practically owned by single person...
the western system needs its bad guy, and when they have burned their fingers with islamist fundamentals they turn back into good old communists and this case towards china, thougth the next 'cold war' has nothing to do whit 'struggle of classes' but pure capitalist power strugle of the economical/powerprojection hegemony that is the key to world domination these days...makes me sick! thats why i have lost most of my intrest to make the world better place anymore...its so hopeless, thats why im considerd to worlds of my own....

Possibly Gollvainen your're approaching the problem from too marxist a viewpoint. Individuals make up society, if you are good to individuals then hopefully the individuals will become better people and that will reflect on society as a whole.

to quote a wise man ' Your rulers are from amongst you'

of course perfecting humans is impossible but it's a good ideal

there has been recently military exercices lead by indians and americans and there is a nuclear cooperation between them . USA want ally to india to have a support in the region to be able to resist against china ' s influence

BBC bias against China? Well, I am not surprised. BBC has a bias against Pakistan as well. Even many Indians don't like BBC.

How "biased" a BBC news article may appear, is dependent on the reporter who wrote it. You might find BBC news to discriminate against the PRC, but many American right-wing "neocons" find the BBC to be a nest of left-wing liberal bias. These views are backed by only selecting few articles as examples that confirms to your own opinions.

My experience with BBC news has been excellent. Your opinion may vary. Please see the large selection of "local language" editions avail, and compare the Chinese edition:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/languages/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/simp/hi/default.stm

I suppose a pro-TI activist would claim that BBC news is biased because "it merges HK and Taiwan to a single news section, suggesting that Taiwan should be treated as a SAR like HK".

Possibly Gollvainen your're approaching the problem from too marxist a viewpoint. Individuals make up society, if you are good to individuals then hopefully the individuals will become better people and that will reflect on society as a whole.

perhaps i have bit of that bitter, wartorn marxist wiev point but its not the issue so im not going to lead this topic to wrong tracs, but the situation in finland is so bad, and i think its important factor, who owns the media. BBC (to gettin to back to the topic) is state owned am i rigth? And so big organisation as BBC must have its own foreing journals instead of relying solely on news agencyes...
Then the question returns to wheter any goverment, despite how much they are on 'freedom's side' can truly field unbiased journalism? Its differnt thing to be unbiased and independent truely, than to claim to be one. The general public doesent have media-reading skills enough to determ wheter they are beeing fooled or not. I think it should be teached in schools, to descover more sharply whats lies and whats twisting of words and expecially how comon it is on western media todays..

and also this goes to clubroom as it has no military aspects...

It seems that Western Media always focused on the bad news, while China, NK would focused on the good news.

And as the democratic myth, the never ending claim of democratic societies are much better than that of Communists, others, (even Capitalis US is better than Socialis European countries, etc...).

Bad mouthing the other guy and praise your own system would be good way to do it.

When the thirteen colonies were still a part of England, Professor Alexander Tyler wrote about the fall of the Athenian republic over two thousand years previous to that time:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.
Alexander Tyler

The germ of destruction of our nation is in the power of the judiciary, an irresponsible body - working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall render powerless the checks of one branch over the other and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated." Thomas Jefferson, 1821

Absolute powers corrupts absolutely. W/out some others to check it.

"Democracy" is a flexible concept. The day will come when India is rich enough to threaten America's dominance and then America will brow-beat it too with claims of liberating the oppressed lower-castes.

I think America is grasping at straws when it tries to set India up as a counter-weight to China. Fundamentally, both China and India has had the experience of foreign imperialism and colonialism. India is too proud to play second fiddle to what it must surely see as an English-speaking foreign power.

India will happily take whatever carrots the US offers it like arms sales. And it must surely be happy to have more security vis-a-vis China. But don't expect India to be a toedy.

America's best allies are and will always be those who want a world-wide Anglo-American culture and universal system of values. Even the French don't want an Anglo world and neither does India. Some countries are actually proud of their non-Anglo culture.

I tend to read a little of BBC, CNN, People's Daily and I see no difference, though I see a rather neutral view of the US in the People's Daily, sometimes criticle sometimes praising, its confusing sometimes.

This is actually quite interesting.

I find it fascinating how the 'Fox' media of Rupert Murdoch conducts
this campaign of accusing it's competitors of being pro-liberal as a way of destroying their credibility.

Recently we've seen Sky News doing the same thing and accusing the BBC of 'political correctness'. Maybe this is all a strategy plotted by Rupert Murdoch

It hink one quote sums it up quite well.

"Those who arent with us, are against us."

Alot of these news stations are still 'recovering' from the Cold War as well as 9/11. Thanks to the Bush administrations 'War On Terror', we now see any 'rouge' state (in otherwords, independent from NATO) as someone to fear and hate.

And being an american, I notice that the popular media and the popular ideas are that states such as China, India and Iran are backwards witchdoctor savages. Most americans would probably be shocked to learn that China has a working space-program, as well as a rapidly modernizing military.

This isint to say that we should not be wary of these states, but to assume the agression would be solely on the shoulders of the united states is a bit baias in of it's self. Whilst alot of the fear is in fact bias, some states such as the DPRK, which is under the rule of a dictator, gratuate of Stalanist-Communisim 101 out of Despot Ruler-U is very worrisome.

Of course, to say that it is inevetable that we or they will start a conflict is a bit silly. It dosent guarntee this much. China, however is nothing like the DPRK, and despite a few old men still wrapped up in the Cold War, from what I have seen China would rather be left alone by the western world.

And as far as FOX News, it's made by the same people who promote "When Animals Attack" and "The OC." I hate to start a political debate here, but FOX news is one of the most Baias news stations on the popular channels, Uber-Conservative Bush Worshipers. Please dont start a whole debate on this, I would hate to drag us all into an off-topic quagmire.

People remember Tinnamen Square, and beleve that it is still like that. However, that was only one incident. And every country has had a situation where deadly force was used on peaceful protesters. There is at least thre instances where Riot Police in America shot and killed protestors who were unarmed. Remember that Texas Universty where the protesters were all shot? The only thing about Tinnamen Square was that, while a horrible event and a loss of life unequaled in such matters, is part of a China that no longer exists. But because of the Cold War Ideologies of news networks, many people refuse to let go.

Every time I talk about how China has improved, people still fall back to Tinnamen Square. It really is unfortunate, but that is how the american people think.

Forgive me, it's hard to term when your a bit rushed. I might revise my statement a bit later.

Yeah, some of the news commentators/analysts are quite clueless. Look at this piece abt India from a finance page. Especially point #4 which is the guy's view on India vs China. I guess he's never heard abt the plight of the Muslim & Sikh minorities in India or the abuses in Kashmir just to name a few.

http://finance.yahoo.com/columnist/a...omist/2074?p=1

My favourite one is the democracy in India thing. Dont't they know India has been a democracy since independence but that never stopped US from siding with Pakistan until recently. India was under a US nuclear embargo until I think last year.
The point is it's US's right to choose who it wants to be strategic partner but it's too funny when one reads that it's due to democracy etc in India when the simple truth is that US now sees China challenging its top dog status & needs help to stay on top.

There's a good book called "Washington, Babylon" by Alexander Cockburn
and Ken Silverstein which documents the links between the media and the powers that be and how the media is 'managed' even in 'democracies'

The problem with controlling the media though is what happens when a country is on the verge of disaster and nobody wants to or is allowed to say it ?

Thus history is full of tyrants who believed their own lies because it was repeated back to them by fearful peasants until disaster overtook them

Originally Posted by Schumacher

Yeah, some of the news commentators/analysts are quite clueless. Look at this piece abt India from a finance page. Especially point #4 which is the guy's view on India vs China. I guess he's never heard abt the plight of the Muslim & Sikh minorities in India or the abuses in Kashmir just to name a few.

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My favourite one is the democracy in India thing. Dont't they know India has been a democracy since independence but that never stopped US from siding with Pakistan until recently. India was under a US nuclear embargo until I think last year.
The point is it's US's right to choose who it wants to be strategic partner but it's too funny when one reads that it's due to democracy etc in India when the simple truth is that US now sees China challenging its top dog status & needs help to stay on top.

You wanna know something even crazier? This morning, I heard some people say that they still thought India was under the controll of Britian.

The Majority of americans are woefuly ignorant.