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This is a discussion on Sleep within the Members' Club Room forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Gustav vasa was argubly one of the most important figure in nordic history, and important one in whole europe...So sweden ...

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    Gustav vasa was argubly one of the most important figure in nordic history, and important one in whole europe...So sweden dont see them self as independent before 1520-talet? Its rather weird, I mean, Finns would if had a history of such. So that Erik (cant remember his name ar prefix but i thik it was Jovardson or Johanson...or anyway, the son of some Erik who was 'holy' in some way) who 'conguered' finland werent consider as king of sweden but somethin preceeding state? This is news to me. They didnt teach so in here...

    But if talking of Vasa and wether he was a tyran or not, I think you are rigth. I mean He did but this part of the world out of middle ages and route to modern times, and who monarc could be described as 'non-tyrant'? The concept of power and any jurification backing that up in those days shouldnt be solely looked from todays point of wiev. He was well liked king among finnish comon folk who werent used to exept anything less from king, but little bit of that 'iron fist'. It was the way of things back in then. Thougt it's funny who Gustavs sons power strugle coused first uprising of finnish people, the 'club-war' of 1590s and showed first sings of something that later would be described as awekening of finnish national identity. In finnish history writings, there have been long lasting eternety struggle wheter finnish peasent rose agaisnt authorityes from their own reasons or lured to do soby King (or prince, i cant recal wether he was at the power in that moment) Erik.

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    well it's quite strange actually yes. Some say that sweden wasn't really a kingdom before gustav vasa but rather a loose grouping of powerful nobility with family ties in which the most favored in the family were chosen king for lifetime while others say that it was indeed a kingdom but that the king himself wasn't very powerful but relied on the nobility to do the military campaigns while he took care of the more peaceful matters at home and another group say that sweden was like any traditional kingdom, however this debate isn't going anywhere and everyone think what they want and since no one teach history of that time anyway were not likely to come to a conclusion at all.

    As i said before if you're not fully awake in history class you might get the view of sweden as the area from which the vikings just popped out from and that finland was just a big forest until the vikings came and built villages there and in a decade the vikings turned from barbarous pagans into civilized christians after which history just fast forwarded to the 16th century and gustav vasas fight against the danes.

    Seriously had not history been one of my topics of interest i would have had no idea what happened during those 400 years they just skipped in history class, it's as if swedish historians are ashamed of what happened during those years and rather would leave history unknown than educate us about our past which makes no sense if you consider that they used three full months to make sure everyone kept a critical mindset about what is written in the books, analysis on the topic is almost impossible without reading literature specially written about it.

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    yes what more can you say, than the old saying, "a nation who doesent know its history cannot look into future..."

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