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    What's probably sure is Bin Laden is dead and the Navy seals did their job like clockwork. What I question is everything being reported in the media. Smells just like Jessica Lynch where everything is like a Hollywood action movie. The story out there sounds like it was leaked by the Pentagon and the media blows it up with melodrama just what happened with Jessica Lynch.

    What's suspicious with the story out there? So many things. At first the media says the Seals were there a total 40 minutes. A 5 minute firefight against 2-3 men and the rest of the time was gathering intelligence. Then you hear it was a firefight all the way in and out for the forty minutes. Did the media make it into a Hollywood movie here? Why? Because 40(?) Seals in a fire fight with 2-3 couriers and maybe Bin Laden for 40 minutes. Does anyone see something wrong with that? I watched one of the US morning news shows interviewing a former Seal that was involved in the situation portrayed in the movie Black Hawk Down. He said any situation like that where a firefight lasts more than 3-4 minutes is too long. You can see he saw something wrong with the reported 40 minute firefight all the way through. What are they going to do now? Up the number of terrorists in the house? But then that will counter the media scathing Pakistan reporting of how Bin Laden felt so comfortably safe in the hands of his Pakistani caretakers he didn't feel the need for more protection. If Bin Laden felt so comfortable why did he need so high of walls that he couldn't be seen from the outside if he decided to get some fresh air? They say he had his own landing zone on the premises. Is a high wall and barbed wire going to stop special forces when they have helicopters and a landing zone behind the walls. "A mansion where he could live out his life of luxury?" I've seen better accomodations at a Motel 6. The place looks like any runned down business in a bad neighborhood. That's just what new confusions the media have put out today aside from the many contradictions initially reported. I'm sure more will come and the real story will come out later like with Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman. But the only difference here is the positive outcome overall unless some big bombshell explodes.
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    What's probably sure is Bin Laden is dead and the Navy seals did their job like clockwork.
    I agree!

    Thank you Assassins Mace! great post.. the latest spin on what happen.

    There seems to be more than two or three gunman on OBL side and his wife was wounded not killed. I swear this morning ABC news stated 22 persons were killed.

    Hours after a team of U.S. Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden in a secret raid on his compound in Pakistan, President Barack Obama went on television to tell the nation about the triumph.

    "Justice has been done," the president said.

    Americans have been absorbing the world-changing news ever since, and several briefings by Obama national security officials from the White House, Defense Department, and CIA have followed. But some of the details have proven inaccurate and were later corrected, as Politico's Josh Gerstein noted.

    For instance, White House spokesperson Jay Carney said Tuesday that--contrary to earlier officials' descriptions of a firefight between the Al Qaeda mastermind and U.S. forces--bin Laden didn't have a weapon during the Sunday raid. Bin Laden "was not armed," Carney said at the White House press briefing Tuesday. He was shot and killed after his wife "rushed the U.S. assaulter." You can watch Carney's exchange with the White House press corps in the video above.

    Earlier, White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, in a press conference Monday, said that bin Laden's wife had been killed after she was positioned as a human shield to protect bin Laden in the confrontation. Officials are now saying, however, that bin Laden's wife was injured (shot in the leg) but not killed, and that it was a separate woman who was killed by cross-fire during the forty-minute operation.

    "Bin Laden died; the two al Qaeda facilitators--the brothers, who were--the courier and his brother in the compound; bin Laden's son Hamza; and the woman, presumed to be his wife, who was shielding bin Laden," Brennan said.

    Asked by a reporter if bin Laden's wife was used as a shield for bin Laden, Brennan hesitated:

    "I wasn't there so I hesitate to say," he said.

    "But she was in front of him?" a reporter asked.

    "But it was an effort to try to shield bin Laden from the ... " Brennan said, not completing the sentence, but presumably referencing the Navy SEALs then closing in on the terrorist leader.

    Later in the press conference, Brennan was asked again if the woman killed was bin Laden's wife.

    "That's my understanding.¬ It was one of them," he responded.

    "And he was using her as a shield?" the reporter, ABC's Jake Tapper, asked.

    "She served as a shield.¬ Again, this is my understanding--and we're still getting the reports of exactly what happened at particular moments--that when--she fought back; when there was the opportunity to get to bin Laden, she was positioned in a way that indicated that she was being used as a shield," Brennan said. "Whether or not bin Laden or the son, or whatever, put her there, or she put herself there, but, yes, that's again, my understanding that she met her demise, and my understanding is that she was one of bin Laden's wives."

    A U.S. official told The Envoy Tuesday, on condition of anonymity, that Bin Laden's injured wife was left at the compound by the U.S. team. Another woman, who has not been publicly identified, was killed in the raid, the official said.

    (Indeed, the New York Times reported that one of bin Laden's wives actually identified bin Laden. A former senior U.S. intelligence official told the Times it was his understanding that it was the wife shot in the leg at the scene who identified bin Laden. She was later left at the compound with several other women and children.)

    U.S. officials explained the mix-up as hardly unexpected in the early aftermath of such a high-tempo operation.

    "Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up," a U.S. official told Politico's Gerstein. "This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed."

    In total, the U.S. official said Tuesday, five people were killed in the raid: Bin Laden, his adult son, the Al Qaeda courier, the courier's brother, and an adult female — "not [bin Laden's] wife."

    Ambiguity still surrounds the key break in the effort to track bin Laden down--the al Qaeda courier U.S. officials monitored and followed to the Abbottabad compound. The Associated Press reported Monday the man in question was a Kuwaiti-born Pakistani who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti; the CIA later determined that his actual name was Sheikh Abu Ahmed, the AP reported.

    But there are some suggestions that the courier's name and identity may be provisional too. Earlier reports suggested that Abd al-Khaliq Jan was the identity of the courier in question.
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    While they lost a Blackhawk it didn't stop the Navy SEALs from carry out the mission almost textbook perfect. This can be good recruitment material for the Navy, if not just the SEALs.

    More candidates for the next Hell Week maybe?

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    Speaking of that Blackhawk, I read that it was some specially modified, stealthy version.

    Stealth Helos Used In Osama Raid

    Thoughts?

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    U.S. preparing to release photographs of OBL's corpse.

    U.S. officials prepare to release photographic evidence of Osama bin Laden's death | NJ.com

    "U.S. officials describe the photos as "gruesome" and "graphic."
    They reportedly show Osama bin Laden’s bloodied body in an Afghan hangar with a massive head wound above his left eye from the shot that had killed him earlier in the day.
    The accompanying video is less gory, officials say, but may be just as inflammatory. It allegedly shows bin Laden’s lifeless body draped in a white shroud before it is placed in a weighted bag and deposited into the North Arabian Sea from the deck of the USS Carl Vinson............."

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    I think part of the reason US put it to sea is so that there is no grave for Bin Laden so no more follower to attact.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden has been killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Red___Sword View Post
    I don't know what is the definition of "troll", Mr. Mod, but I saw this:

    The article quoted by Mr. McCool at #52, is neither a Chinese media source, nor quoting any Chinese media. - the only thing related to Chinese media, is

    "Sources of Xinhua said they tried to enter the area after the incident took place, but no media people were allowed inside."

    - and THAT, became "Chinese media just reports random stuff"?

    I guess what we call 标题党 has fooled some of our senior members here - some genius AT DEFENCE TALK, using a shocking title, that "Chinese media says this", and our good senior member just take whatever being told, hah?

    Man, I see what's coming.

    I am anxious to see that the US troops at Afghanistan packs up...

    ...and go to middle east. (Mediterranean, more precisely)

    - just like 1 year ago they pack up at Iraq and go to Afghanistan.

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    Have you ever read some of the junk on Chinese websites? Do you realize how much irrelevant stuff I have to sort through on Chinese defense forums to come up with stuff that's kind of authentic. Xinhua's website a lot of times are not official news, but rather re-hashing of things from other news sources. In my opinion, that's not a good thing for a news service that's striving to hit the international stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    U.S. preparing to release photographs of OBL's corpse.

    U.S. officials prepare to release photographic evidence of Osama bin Laden's death | NJ.com

    "U.S. officials describe the photos as "gruesome" and "graphic."
    They reportedly show Osama bin Ladenís bloodied body in an Afghan hangar with a massive head wound above his left eye from the shot that had killed him earlier in the day.
    The accompanying video is less gory, officials say, but may be just as inflammatory. It allegedly shows bin Ladenís lifeless body draped in a white shroud before it is placed in a weighted bag and deposited into the North Arabian Sea from the deck of the USS Carl Vinson............."
    It should be released and whoever wants to see it will be able to see it. Otherwise, we'd just see more of these google and facebook scams.

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    Well done the US Navy SEALS. You have done a great job by getting rid of the damn terrorist. Need to eradicate the other villains from time to time. "UP THE NAVY & THE SPECIAL FORCES".

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.e. View Post
    well it didn't stop you from having a sermon didn't it?


    He is a frickin' bastard because you (and foreign policy of US) made him into one, if no one would give him attention he wouldn't be what he was.

    And he is not a irrational bastard as we characturize him to be.
    His whole modus operandi was to provoke an reaction, that is what terrorists DO.

    by reacting to them like some people (including you) reacted to them you help them succeed in their goal.

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    Just ask yourself. what would Jesus (or Buddha, pick your favorite Diety) do in this situation? would the killing of a life cause them joy? or relief?

    and to make your head hurt a bit more.
    what is a terrorist anyways? before you answer that question, let's agree that whoever fits the definition would be qualify, regardless of your feelings? fair?

    my definition is: people who deliberatly kill innocent civilians to make a point.

    Ok,
    how many civilians died in Bomber Harris's fire bombing of Dresden.
    Or LeMay's firebombing of Tokyo.
    They were trying to make a point you know. the whole premise of strategic bombing was based on killing civilians to make a point.

    so how many lives... opps I should use the euphamism of "collateral damage".... does it one qualifies for that definition? in this age of precision strikes weapons and Blackwater security shot up cars full of family and kids?
    how many? care to give me a number?

    some body gotta ask these question, might as well be me.

    Hats off, thumbs up, well said man!

    It dose not matter that even I agree OBL is a bastard; but it is EVEN MORE IMPORTANT that people who do whatever sh*t they do, in the name of justice and "we have minimize the collateral damage", know this: YOU are an equal bastard too.

    If you wanna stop terrorism, STOP PISSING PEOPLE AROUND.


    I am pretty sure the "WE WILL GET YOU!", the "Captain American" kind of speech has been sent with every bomb droped. I just not quite sure that "Captain Americans" get to know OTHER PEOPLE'S SPEECH first or not.

    Terrorist's death is always a good news, I just want to bring the definition of "terrorist" to attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tphuang View Post
    Have you ever read some of the junk on Chinese websites? Do you realize how much irrelevant stuff I have to sort through on Chinese defense forums to come up with stuff that's kind of authentic. Xinhua's website a lot of times are not official news, but rather re-hashing of things from other news sources. In my opinion, that's not a good thing for a news service that's striving to hit the international stage.
    hehehe... I am not sure whether debating with a mod is a good idea. The point is, TAHT link, comes from DEFENCE TALK, a "famous" western forum. The guy who put the post together, "JUST POST RANDOM STUFF", and using the shocking title "Chinese says this", - because Chinese news agency, at this time, quoting some other news agency... and he knows when he say "Chinese says this", everyone else would make it "it is said by Chinese news agency"

    Since you don't want to make it looks like "I am judging this thing by ONLY ONE occurance", you brought out the big gun:"Do you realize how much irrelevant stuff I have to sort through on Chinese defense forums"

    Hat off for the mod job which I really appreciate. But if I say the following, what would you think? "Do you have any idea how many white-racist I come accross, every time, surfing a western forum?" - So, WTF? why brought up the big gun when there is no point to brought it up?

    A good forum trys to stop trolls, right? So we ALL to avoid "jump to conclusion", shall we? (The fact of Xinhua news agency doing a shit job, I agree. But you can take a look again and again, they quoting others, NOT CLAIMING they said, unlike that shock title fooled many senior members here...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    I agree!

    Thank you Assassins Mace! great post.. the latest spin on what happen.
    Popeye, here's a link to a pic I saw yesterday on an Italian military news site. Hard to find now, but they indicated it is the one from the Afghan base before he was flown out to the carrier.

    Warning...it's a gruesome head shot:

    Unconfirmed death picture of Osama Bin Laden

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden has been killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Red___Sword View Post
    hehehe... I am not sure whether debating with a mod is a good idea. The point is, TAHT link, comes from DEFENCE TALK, a "famous" western forum. The guy who put the post together, "JUST POST RANDOM STUFF", and using the shocking title "Chinese says this", - because Chinese news agency, at this time, quoting some other news agency... and he knows when he say "Chinese says this", everyone else would make it "it is said by Chinese news agency"

    Since you don't want to make it looks like "I am judging this thing by ONLY ONE occurance", you brought out the big gun:"Do you realize how much irrelevant stuff I have to sort through on Chinese defense forums"

    Hat off for the mod job which I really appreciate. But if I say the following, what would you think? "Do you have any idea how many white-racist I come accross, every time, surfing a western forum?" - So, WTF? why brought up the big gun when there is no point to brought it up?

    A good forum trys to stop trolls, right? So we ALL to avoid "jump to conclusion", shall we? (The fact of Xinhua news agency doing a shit job, I agree. But you can take a look again and again, they quoting others, NOT CLAIMING they said, unlike that shock title fooled many senior members here...)
    u deliver great point many times, but i agree with tphuang, that there r a ton of fake news on chinese websites everywhere. i've seen so many of them myself, so for someone who does more serious research in preparing his articles, will actually be in further stronger ground to say that

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.e. View Post
    by reacting to them like some people (including you) reacted to them you help them succeed in their goal.
    What would your advice have been after the embassy bombing. The "Cole" and Twin Towers. Turn the other Cheek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    What would your advice have been after the embassy bombing. The "Cole" and Twin Towers. Turn the other Cheek?


    But seriously, I think he meant people should not react to it with more violence. They should always go with the judicial way, something like that. Easier said than done, but that doesn't mean it has no truth to it.
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    White House: No bin Laden photo release - CNN.com

    So no photos will be released. I can't say I'm pleased by this. Conspiracy theorists and stuff already love going after Obama, this is sure to create another "birth certificate" type issue, both in the US and across the Muslim world.
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