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    I was watching ABC News this morning and their Pentagon reporter said the Australian's have a special advanced radar called OTH that can see anything for 2000 miles out. I think any one of us in here can have a job reporting from the Pentagon.

    It was reported one of the two objects was 80 ft long. All of the sudden an 80ft section of the 777 floating out for at least 10 days is possible?
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    Australian OTH radar network.

    Jindalee Operational Radar Network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...speed=noscript

    It is possible the network tracked MH370, but it takes time to sort out the radar track and again we can't expect them to reveal too much information that will reveal the capabilities of a sensitive military system. Behind the scene, they are probably using undisclosed sources to help with the search. How about sending a SSN to listen for the black box pings?
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    I believe ABC News (that's US not Australia's TV network) was suggesting Australia's OTH spotted the wreckage seen from the satellite images since the story is on the heels of that news. Given the debate over China's ASBM and the ability to spot an aircraft carrier with their OTH... at the most OTH will give a general location not a precise one and since this is just a small piece of wreckage bobbing up and down out of the water, how credible is it that Australia's OTH can see the wreckage?
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    Now it's being reported those satellite images weren't even from Australia. They're from one of the commercial satellite companies in the US asking for the public to scan their images.

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    It is reported that the Australian P-8A went there and found nothing due bad visibility. I wonder both images last time from China and this time from Australia are all low resolution images. Where have all the military satellites gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBird View Post
    It is reported that the Australian P-8A went there and found nothing due bad visibility. I wonder both images last time from China and this time from Australia are all low resolution images. Where have all the military satellites gone?
    no country is going to release military grade satellite photos. even if they found something with military satellite, they will only release civilian images from the same area.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBird View Post
    It is reported that the Australian P-8A went there and found nothing due bad visibility.
    Australia does not have any P-8A aircraft. They have P-3C aircraft.

    As of yet, only the US has P-8A aircraft, though some P-8I aircraft have been delivered to India.

    If it was an Australian aircraft, it was a P-3C. It is was a P-8A, it was a US Navy aircraft.

    Now...Australia plans to buy some P-8A aircraft to replace the P-3Cs as they retire...but that has not happened yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinsMace View Post
    Now it's being reported those satellite images weren't even from Australia. They're from one of the commercial satellite companies in the US asking for the public to scan their images.
    It was reported that way from the start here in Australia. The first news report on the radio I heard of debris being found on Thursday made mention of the images being from a commercial satellite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernSky View Post
    It was reported that way from the start here in Australia. The first news report on the radio I heard of debris being found on Thursday made mention of the images being from a commercial satellite.
    I woke this morning hearing they were from Australian military satellites then several hours later on another news channel said they were from Digitalglobe who passed the information on to the Australian government.
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    This is the Roaring Forties.
    If anything can float and not degrade quickly, debris in this latitude can swirl around the globe for decades. This is also an area where advanced racing and endurance boats regularly come to grief and produce large floating wreckage that could easily look like the kind of objects shown on the news.

    My view remains unchanged and will remain unchanged until anything concrete is produced to prove otherwise.
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    I am afraid the very understandable caution and delays in countries sharing military sourced information is going to be blown out of proportion by conspiracy theorists. Though that is only one of many aspects of this whole ordeal warranting suspicion. At this point I am very pessimistic about the wreckage being found or finding out what happened, at least for the public. Hopefully the loved ones of those missing will be able to move on for their own benefit.

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    I don't think this demonstrates anything about second rate. It was a Malaysian plane in an area managed by Malaysian air traffic control on one end and Vietnamese air traffic control on the other. Why would any other country track at that level completely outside their own area? And no satellite actually tracked MH370. It is really a lucky break that whoever on that plane or whatever events that took place on that plane, did not/could not disable the engine performance telemetry which attempted to respond to a satellite system used for just that, not track a plane. What is being deduced now is really more CSI work than tracking capability.

    From this event, perhaps the international aviation interests show ponder about installing radar coverage in dead spots along well traveled air corridors? My understanding is that out in the Indian Ocean, those air routes have zero coverage from any radars on the ground. ETOPS made that possible I suppose. Maybe China could lead the initiative for an international system of satellites that track planes? Or something more on the ground like radar stations or something like Sea-based X-band Radar on a mobile platform?
    Given the huge gap in capabilities between the US and whoever comes second in dealing with an unexpected and highly unusual situation like this, it is not a diss on China for being second rate, I am merely saying there is room for improvement and here is an example of a need.

    Of course when everything is occurring normally one can assume that solving any issues is within the capabilities of the local authorities who would also be co-operative and competent about it but that would not be good contingency planning.

    This event demonstrates China's weaknesses in not having military alliances, not even being at a level of trust with other governments where they may more willingly share military sourced information in a civilian emergency, not having the surveillance capabilities to cover all the locations where there is Chinese national interest just to know what is going on, never mind doing something about it.

    Besides from expanding/improving Chinese satellite coverage, I think another good takeaway for China is how a LHD would be handy right now in searching the southern Indian Ocean. With a LHD the vessel would have more space for SAR tasks than a carrier, and also more air and naval assets based on a single vessel than any other ship. This is a scenario where a LHD is a perfect fit.
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    PLAN and China in general has been known to quickly adapt to any gaps they may experienced especially one due to 'real life lessons learned'. I wonder with all the assets being congregated in the South Indian Ocean especially the Orions, Poseidons and Bombardiars aircrafts PLAN/China will divert more resources into building more of these type of assets.

    Being that majority of the planes passengers/victims are Chinese citizens I wonder if they feel some sense of 'inadequacy' for not having the right equipment with extreme long legs to conduct effective S&R as much as they like to in that part of the world.
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    I'm kinda pessimistic about if they will ever find the plane now.

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    I don't know what China can do. Australia being the closest country to the search zone and the base for P-3s and P-8s takes more time getting to and going back from the search zone than spending time actually searching.

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