Kim Jong Il visits China

Maybe trying to get China to commit to NK's 'peaceful' rise in power? Or get some help from the Chinese in developing and miniaturising their nuclear warhead so it can to loaded onto a ballistic missile... hahaha! Seriously though... because of the uncertainty of the SK ship sinking and SK's reaction, although up till now no one know who is to be blamed for the sinking, there must be some spectaculation that it was NK within SK, and NK might be rallying as much help as possible just in case SK decided to attack...

One thing for sure is that NK might be needing as much help as possible right now, due to the number of problems she might be facing... shortage of food, resources, money, and right about everything. And she might need some help with the nuclear peace talk and finally the SK threat.

Whatever the reason, She must be really testing China's patience. She should count herself lucky that China has bigger fish to fry.

There is also the possibility that Kim is discussing the issue of succession with the Chinese leadership. Looks like the man doesn't have very long to live so he better get everything sorted out if he wants his family to stay in power.

... and get all the help and support from the Chinese in case the generals in NK wanted to oust his son out of his throne... so pathetic.

Originally Posted by rhino123

... and get all the help and support from the Chinese in case the generals in NK wanted to oust his son out of his throne... so pathetic.

Do you think that the North Korean generals would have the guts to pull off a coup? If a Deng Xiaoping-esque figure emerges in North America it will immediately be game over for the Kim family. I'm sure some North Korean version of Gang of Four will take the blame and North Korea might become a miniature China after it reforms economically, much like Vietnam.

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

Do you think that the North Korean generals would have the guts to pull off a coup? If a Deng Xiaoping-esque figure emerges in North America it will immediately be game over for the Kim family. I'm sure some North Korean version of Gang of Four will take the blame and North Korea might become a miniature China after it reforms economically, much like Vietnam.

North America? You mean North korea, right? Anyway, only time will tell what the top echleons of the military of the country would do if the situation just gets out of hand. Like the saying, shit happens.

won't be surprised if a big portion of the nk generals works for CCP than kim
that will be interesting

Originally Posted by ravenshield936

won't be surprised if a big portion of the nk generals works for CCP than kim
that will be interesting

Do you mean using them as proxies to torment the Japanese, as payback for the Sino- Jap war?..

lol nah that seems more like something kim will do

Originally Posted by bladerunner

Do you mean using them as proxies to torment the Japanese, as payback for the Sino- Jap war?..

Actually I would imagine, China using NK as a deterrence for the Jap... like what US used to do with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan as controls against China.

NK is a mad dog or what China wanted it to be, and had all the nice little missiles that poses real threat to both SK and Japan. So China actually had an effective deterrence against this two countries.

Originally Posted by rhino123

Actually I would imagine, China using NK as a deterrence for the Jap... like what US used to do with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan as controls against China.

NK is a mad dog or what China wanted it to be, and had all the nice little missiles that poses real threat to both SK and Japan. So China actually had an effective deterrence against this two countries.

Well said. As terrible as it sounds a divided Korea is good for China strategically. If South Korea takes over North Korea there will be American Troops stationed right next to the Chinese border and if North Korea were to take over South Korea the situation would still be bad. Having absorbed the technological expertise of the South Koreans the North may very well become a second "Vietnam" and perhaps border conflicts would occur between China and NK.

Originally Posted by rhino123

... and get all the help and support from the Chinese in case the generals in NK wanted to oust his son out of his throne... so pathetic.

You Truly believe this is the reason of his visit ? how pathetic.

I think the DPRK is the biggest dilemma China faces right now. The DPRK is the main argument used to justify American military presence in both Japan and South Korea, and is the main argument used to justify the re-militarization of Japan itself. At the same time, with so much military activity all around itself (seemingly continuous military exercises) and tensions not only with its neighbor to the south and Japan, but also with the US, the DPRK is forced to place emphasis on defense above all else. This, in turn feeds the arguments used by the US and the Japanese militarists.

If China is able to untie this knot, I think the solution to all of its security problems to the Northeast will fall into place, much as the problems to the Southeast now appear to be solved.

American military presence in SK and Japan are aimed squarely at China and will stay there regardless of the DPRK's status or behavior.

The current state of affair pretty much guarantees that South Korea would not be used as a based of operations by the Americans in the event of war between the Taiwan straits and may also deter Japan to some degree.

America would dealer love for China to sort out NK for them so they can focus on Taiwan and China. China would be stupid to oblige.

China's main concern with NK is to try and make it richer and more stable as well as a little less crazy (but not too much) so that it could be a stronger ally and also to reduce the number of refugees trying to get into China.