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AssassinsMace

This is going to be a great season of Whale Wars on TV coming up.

Whalers sink Sea Shepherd boat - NewsRunner

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I'm not making any judgment about who is right or wrong, but it is weird how two videos can make it appearer to be the others fault in the collision.

AssassinsMace

Well the Japanese released the video they taped and it seems Paul Watson is maniuplating the facts... again. The TV show already shows how willingly he is to lie. Paul Watson said the Japanese ship turned and cut into their ship. Well maybe but a ship that size isn't going to be turning on a dime and as stated in one of videos in the link below, the stealth boat looks like its moving forward crashing into the Japanese ship and not idle as Paul Watson reported.

Anti-whaling boat damaged during protest at sea - Yahoo! News

Finn McCool

Those anti-whaling people are idiots. I guess it's sort of admirable that they have really strong convictions and want to protect nature and everything, but they absolutely fail. My friends and I were watching that show Whale Wars and were literally laughing at their ineptitude. The fail to do even the most obvious things to prevent the Japanese from getting the whales, and then cry when the whales get harpooned. If you put any competent poster on this forum in charge of their "fleet" the whalers' job would instantly get a lot harder, instead of having these idiotic hippies in charge.

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pla101prc

i side with the Japanese simply because i like Japan...
but i really hope they'd stop hunting the poor whales =D

Bltizo

Lolz Greenpeace for the win!

I personally am against Japan's hunting of the whales (having grown up watching the crocodile hunter and having gone whale watching) - but out of curiousity has anyone here tried whale meat before? I don't get the Japanese fixation with whale deli... (Though I suppose it may be similar to the Chinese shark fin soup - but I'm against killing sharks for their fins as well, not only because they taste yucky)

EDIT, after just reading on the days paper that the crew were NZers...: Yeah, curse Japan! (seeing as I can't use the f word or other insults =P)

lcloo

Those guys are crazy and no question of them being at fault in the collission, but they succeeded in their mission, ie. bring world's attention to the Japanese whale hunting in the guise of scientific research.

Publicity is the main objective.

AssassinsMace

This South Park episode basically sums up everything about Paul Watson and his crew.

South Park Episode Player - Whale Whores

Generally, unless they plan to up the ante beyond their stupid stunts they pull for TV, they are never going to get anywhere saving the whales. The Japanese population is entrenched on the side of the whalers. The only supporters these keystone kop activists are getting are from people who can't do anything more than Paul Watson and his crew can do. When they whine about being pelted with nuts and bolts while they throw glass bottles, are these people really capable of anything beyond the machismo of their own rhetoric? I especially enjoy the last season where Paul Watson was all angry that the Japanese were using the same tricks to try to sabotage his vessel. Let's see one of these Hollywood celebrities that support them take a tour one year.

bd popeye

In my opinion are in the wrong for intfereing with commerece on the open sea.

Agreed. Why don't they try to save us humans?? They need to get a life. I have no sympathy for them.

Exactly. The more stupid they appear the less chance they have of ever in changing the Japanese culture concerning whaling.

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Bltizo

The boat that was decimated sure was looked good though..

Some specs from BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8445504.stm):
The Ady Gil, formerly Earthrace, was designed for a successful round-the-world speed powerboat record attempt in 2008. It was acquired by Sea Shepherd last year and renamed after a Hollywood businessman benefactor.
1. The hull is described as a wave-piercing trimaran. It is made out of carbon fibre with a foam core, but has had Kevlar armour added to defend against ice. It is capable of submarining up to 7m (23ft) underwater.
2. Much of the helm was originally modelled on a racing car. It was fitted with racing-style seats and a carbon steering wheel. Its windscreen is 17mm laminated toughened glass.
3. Power comes from two 540 hp engines, and the boat can reach speeds of more than 40 knots (75km/h). It runs on biodiesel fuel and has a range of between 2,000 (2,700km) and 13,000 nautical miles depending on speed.
4. The 14-tonne vessel's distinctive horns act as ducts to channel hot air from the engines and suck in cool air. The interior has space for six beds.

It's capable of going underwater 7 meters?? Wth? Does that mean it's like completely watertight from the top as well?

Finn McCool

I believe so yes. I know the North Korean Navy has similar craft.

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bladerunner

Based on the photographs I saw, they clearly indicate that the Andy Gill is on the starboard bow of the Shonan Maru, which,under rule 19 of the Inernational Rules for the prevention of collision at sea, makes the Shonan Maru the "give way" vessel.
But the photographs also indicate that the Ady Gill is blatantly ignoring rule 21 which states

" When from any cause the stand on vessel finds herself so close that a collison cannot be avoided by the action of the give way vessel alone, she shall take such action as will best avert a collision.
I wonder if the Ady Gill's skipper can provide us with any evidence of doing so. If not, then putting the lives of himself and his crew at risk does nothing to help the anti whaling movement.

Having said that IMO the Japanese are more than welcome to hunt for Whales in their own waters, not ours. However I dont buy into their contention that they are exercising a traditional right of catching whales for consumption. Well not in the way of the Indigenous people of the icelandic regions oe alaska/canada.

bladerunner

I side with japans right to hunt whales in their own waters simply because Ive got a very very nice japanese bank manageress

pla101prc

i hope you ppl realize that its not a stealth boat...its designed to look like a whale so that the japanese boat will put a harpoon in its ass

bladerunner

Thats incorrect It was not designed with anti whale protesting in mind in fact it was the former "earth race vessel" promoting the use of bio diesel and traveling around the world in the fastest time ( I think)before being acquired by the anti whaling protestors