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    this likely prevent PLAAF from massive purchase. unless a single engine version are already in the drawing board.
    1) How is the single engine version can save significant maintaining costs?


    Courtesy of Pinko from Keypub

    The WS-10G FADEC by Honglin ( AVIC Factory 143) is tailor made, and exclusively tested for powering the J-20 tentatively, it was reported widely in 08,2009, only we thought it's WS-15 prototype. AVIC factory 143 is NOT located in Shenyang but in Guizhou, quite close to Chengdu, Chengdu & Shenyang seem not getting so well as CAC never uses engines manufactured in Shengyang ... ...

    BTW, Pinko is NOT Pinkov. LOL

    WS-10G - At least 14,500 kgf

    2) What do everybody think of Pinko assessment?
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    the first photo is the modal of WS-10 series engine, news reported that Honglin ( AVIC Factory 143) delivered two of the engines to certain institute on Aug,30,2009. some people speculate that's WS-10G FADEC for J-20.
    you guy no need to check Gan Xiao Hua is working in Honglin or not,and no need to check his security.
    Gan Xiao Hua is the chief engineer of Air Force equipment research institute,he has been working for aircraft engine research for 26 years, organized, participated in a number of major research topic in the core technology, major breakthroughs in key technology areas.
    January 6, the Central Military Committee to Gan Xiaohua recorded a first celebration was held at the Air Force Institute of equipment. CMC Chairman Hu Jintao at the meeting read out the orders signed, and Gan Xiaohua awarded a first medal and certificate.
    of cause, he must had great contribution for J-20 project.

    http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2011-01-08/0659627375.html

    http://www.****.cn/viewarticle.php?id=302934

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    Re: J-20... (IOT -- M2M2H2M)

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenestGDP View Post
    We all know that China Central government is channeling huge sum of money USD 2.3 Trillions to perform R&D on the next 7 Big technology frontiers between 2011 -- 2015 (12th -- 5 year plan).
    One of them is (IOT -- M2M2H2M) technology.
    So, can you explain to us where you got the $2.3 trillion USD figure, and what "IOT - M2M2H2M" is? Other than a single post from "Mika Montald" on another forum, I cannot find any reference to that acronym.


    Quote Originally Posted by GreenestGDP View Post
    1) A squadron of J-20 (data link together) will act as the (most forward garrison) multiple mini AWACS platforms and acting as an airborne wireless digital switches to automatically relay and directly channel back and forth data links between (the URAV spotter, the UCAV drones,
    Submarines, the regular AWACS planes, and the Central Command to locate the Carriers group.
    Look, the "J-20" is a prototype on the runway, like YF-22 in 1990. It has yet to go through its development cycle. For comparison, the YF-22 prototype flew in 1990, the production F-22 flew in 1997, and F-22 reached operational status in USAF in 2005.

    The kind of J-20 mission profile you described is not anywhere near being a reality at this time.
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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenestGDP View Post
    1) How is the single engine version can save significant maintaining costs?





    BTW, Pinko is NOT Pinkov. LOL

    WS-10G - At least 14,500 kgf

    2) What do everybody think of Pinko assessment?
    China did confirmed that they are working single engine "F-35" type aircraft (J-18?).
    it likely that J-20 was power by WS-10G,AL-31F and WS-10A lack the sufficient power.while the Russian 117S was still in late developing stage.
    likely hood that aircraft being power by up rated Ws10A .
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    ^^^

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    RE: China Central government is channeling huge sum of money USD 2.3 Trillions to perform R&D on the next 7 Big technology frontiers between 2011 -- 2015 (12th -- 5 year plan)
    At this moment, I can not find the English translation link.
    When I find it, I will post them here.


    2) IOT stands for Internet of Things or Internet 3.0
    M2M2H2M stands for Machine to Machine to Human to Machine


    Picture: IOT M2M2H2M concept




    3) My 3 cents, 1 of the primary purpose for the designing huge size of J-20 as a Mini AWACS platform (that can defend itself) is to accommodate the IOT M2M2H2M concept in the picture above.


    Just imagine ... ...

    1) The Yellow boxes in this picture are the UCAV and URAV drones and Submarines.

    2) The Big Red Dots are J-20s

    3) For extra redundancy, the inland Big AWACS planes can replace the Satellites.


    All the technologies are available.
    It is only a matter of OUT_of_the_BOX thinking and integrating them together.
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    Re: J-20... (IOT -- M2M2H2M)

    Quote Originally Posted by adeptitus View Post
    So, can you explain to us where you got the $2.3 trillion USD figure, and what "IOT - M2M2H2M" is? Other than a single post from "Mika Montald" on another forum, I cannot find any reference to that acronym.




    Look, the "J-20" is a prototype on the runway, like YF-22 in 1990. It has yet to go through its development cycle. For comparison, the YF-22 prototype flew in 1990, the production F-22 flew in 1997, and F-22 reached operational status in USAF in 2005.

    The kind of J-20 mission profile you described is not anywhere near being a reality at this time.

    F-22 is ready to service USAF about 2009,but U.S president clinton disagree USAF to purchase F-22,and he also disagree U.S to build NMD,until president Bush desired to purchase F-22 and desired to build NMD.
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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Why is part of the cockpit blurred out on these?

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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    The Wall Street Journal video 1
    Video - Video of Supposed Chinese Stealth Fighter Jet Fuels Speculation - WSJ.com
    WSJ's Adam Horvath and Simon Constable discuss video purported to be of a new Chinese stealth fighter jet that has emerged online, and has raised concerns of a potential rival to the U.S. F-22.


    The Wall Street Journal video 2
    Bret Stephens: This might also be a piece of junk in the shape of one of our stealth fighters.
    Video - Opinion Journal: China's Rising Military -- Columnist Bret Stephens on China's military power - WSJ.com
    Opinion Journal: China's Rising Military 1/5/2011 12:57:40 PM
    Global View Columnist Bret Stephens analyzes the stealth fighter and China's growing firepower.


    The Wall Street Journal video 3
    Video - Chinese Stealth Fighter Jet Photos Said to be Released - WSJ.com
    WSJ's Rebecca Blumenstein explains to Simon Constable new photos indicate the possibility that the Chinese military has developed a new stealth fighter jet, confirming fears of a military buildup.
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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Anyone else experience this last page really messed-up that it's unreadable?

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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Yup, me too.

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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    Robustness comes first. Adding "useless" features complicates the software and reduce robustness, and is extremely frowned upon.
    I wouldn't immediately say it's a useless feature to have. Imagine being able to do braking action not only on the ground but also in midair, wouldn't that add to the maneouverbility and flexibility of the aircraft? Having said that, we wouldn't know it's really feasible since there are many things to consider, like its reliabiliy and the risks involved. We don't even know whether the two tail rudders are mechanically linked such that their movement is always synchronised.

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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    The WSJ videos...they're horrible analysis.
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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    The top part of this page is all jumbled up Can someone look into this?

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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinsMace View Post
    Anyone else experience this last page really messed-up that it's unreadable?
    find on the left side "New Forum Posts" click the double left arrow to hide it. this will solve it in the meantime.

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    Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenestGDP View Post
    2) Does GXH has extra security guards as a precaution to prevent certain group of nations from assassinating him?

    Thanks in advance.
    I think he is guarded by Jedis and Yoda is also having his watchful eyes on him.
    NSA don't want to mess with this guy because Han Solo and Chewy is patrolling the air space around him.

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