J-20... The New Generation Fighter

[QUOTE=maozedong;134961]very interesting pic, people are watching J-20 taxi test, I am the one in the first pic....




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Hai, friends, am new member from India. Why the security personals are allowing you to take photos?. Arent they watching you or are they revealing J20 to world?.

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And every Indian is not like Swami as thought by you friend...Majority of Indians have no shy in appreciating a great effort if they are rivals or friends (Reference to previous post)

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hai, friends, am new member from india. Why the security personals are allowing you to take photos?. Arent they watching you or are they revealing j20 to world?.

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and every indian is not like swami as thought by you friend...majority of indians have no shy in appreciating a great effort if they are rivals or friends (reference to previous post)

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I was in China for 20 days of last month. I could access SDF, Google, Google HK, Google UK, CNN.com, BBC, Fox News and More. Making comments in China is much easier than American websites in the US.

We're straying off-topic but...A.Man, where you staying and accessing those websites? I have heard that international hotels have CNN, etc. in the rooms, and no web censoring, but ordinary Chinese do not have those luxuries.

If this site is sponsored or any way associated with the US DOD, posters who travel regularly in China or have business there may have to consider the possible ramifications of continued participation here.

Is there a way to estimate the possible cost for a J-20? I know it is difficult at this time but a rough estimate(pics alone have not prevented deep estimates of its capabilities) is probably possible.

Originally Posted by Geographer

We're straying off-topic but...A.Man, where you staying and accessing those websites? I have heard that international hotels have CNN, etc. in the rooms, and no web censoring, but ordinary Chinese do not have those luxuries.

Hi, a long time lurker coming out of the woodwork here.

Just to clarfiy in in regards to internet access - i've just returned from Shanghai 2 days ago. I stayed at a relatives house using common broadband. I could access SDF, CDF, google hk, BBC, and all Australian news websites. I purposely tried BharatR but that was blocked.

Originally Posted by danielchin

But why would the AA get him if he's entering China legally and didn't do anything wrong? The "Wanted" posters, according to what I read in Chinese forum, were made and distributed by some netizens (or could I be wrong?).

If you understand the history between this "man" and the netizens, you'd get the joke...remember, by far he's the only one that the Chinese netizens would make PS pics just to screw him.

Originally Posted by advill

Thanks Deino for the videos. The J-20 does not look impressive at all. However, as a prototype it could developed further in the years to come.

Perhaps, but consider this make China the 3rd nation that produce stealth fighter, and do so without foreign assistance nor funding, nor as a consortium effort, that account to something...the rest of the world? Even the F-35 isn't pure American blood, PAK-FA gets Indian funding, all others were either just technology demonstrator (only Japan did that, though just a scaled model thus far), or consortium projects that have yet past mockup stage.

There's one thing I always like to say: if you want to kill off Chinese defense industry, then sell them anything they want. It's the embargo that smack them to their senses, followed by 4 JDAMs to smash away whatever illusion that still lingered, and it all bear fruits like J-20, 10 years later. 10 Years! To catch up so much in so little time, with nobody sell you what you really want (don't think the Russians or Israelis would help without holding things back)...

The "broadcast" on Feiyang started again. I shall update as soon as the plane flies.

Originally Posted by advill

Thanks Deino for the videos. The J-20 does not look impressive at all. However, as a prototype it could developed further in the years to come.

This is a prototype in its early stages. It is not meant to perform tricky maneuvers, sound breaking flight tests and perform live fire drills etc. They still have works to do on it to further refine it. Just like the F-22 before it came into service, it had to go through the exact same test phases. Even the F-35, it is still having issues and they reported lag during it's flight runs because of technical issues with certain components. Just be patient and sooner or later we will have some real eye candies to satisfy ourselves with xD

Originally Posted by advill

Thanks Deino for the videos. The J-20 does not look impressive at all. However, as a prototype it could developed further in the years to come.

Hmmmm... I'm no expert, but I thought the plane looks cool, especially the front view.

Originally Posted by kalel17

Is there a way to estimate the possible cost for a J-20? I know it is difficult at this time but a rough estimate(pics alone have not prevented deep estimates of its capabilities) is probably possible.

That'd be very difficult. While the Russian sources estimate somewhere between 50%-80% of US or Russian product, the actual cost pertain to this project is going to be more than that.

A simple analogy: if you played RTS games you'd know some units can't be produced until you work up the tech tier to the level required. Even when put to international market the quoted price can include government subsidies, thus the actual unit cost to accurately reflect the real cost would've to include the investments made into the R&D/facility build-up/purchase of foreign tech firms...that's be very hard to separate because the CAC ain't just working on J-20 during this time, resources put into R&D+production of JF-17 and J-10 could be utilized in J-20 projects as well.

At 11:25 local time, another 737 has arrived on site... Maybe some highly placed official who didn't want to miss the show delayed the public maiden flight yesterday.

"THE RECENT RUMOR ABOUT THE J-20 IS PURE SPECULATION," said Li Daguang, a military expert at the PLA National Defense University. (Globaltimes.cn)

Rumored stealth jet undergoes tests: report

* Source: Global Times
* [08:22 January 05 2011]

By Yu Miao

The rumored prototype of China's "J-20 stealth fighter jet" has created a stir over the nation's defensive advancements, but analysts suggest that any such program would simply reflect the country's industrial military progress.

Pictures of the alleged fourth-generation jet fighter, equivalent to a fifth-generation craft under Western classifications, have been circulating on the Internet since mid-December.

The US-based Aviation Week magazine reported Monday that the prototype was undergoing high-speed tests late last week at the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute's airfield in Sichuan Province.

Citing a picture taken by unknown sources, the report said that the J-20 resembles the shape of the US Air Force's F-22 Raptor and "would facilitate loading larger weapons" than the US jet due to a higher ground clearance.

However, the report said engine development was still a problem, adding that it is still too early to tell whether the J-20 is a true prototype or intended to simply demonstrate technology.

The Moscow-based RIA Novosti News Agency reported earlier that the J-20 could use the indigenous Shenyang WS-10 engine, which is inferior to Russian-made engines.

Chinese authorities have not commented on the latest speculations, but He Weirong, deputy commander of the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), told China Central Television a year ago that the country was "making progress in developing a fourth-generation fighter jet."

Shortly after his statement, the PLAAF clarified that the aircraft He referred to was actually an upgrade of the third-generation J-10 that possesses some fourth-generation features such as stealth and super-cruise ca-pabilities.

"If the development of the J-20 is true, it will be another reflection of China's fast industrial advancement, which has already been highlighted by high-speed railways and space exploration," Song Xiaojun, a Beijing-based military expert, told the Global Times. "Besides the global, military impact, the rumored J-20 also bears political significance because it represents China's growing power."

He disagreed with some media reports that China is becoming aggressive militarily.

"The country's increasing military strength matches its economic growth," Song added.

"Fifth generation" is a term used by US officials to described the most advanced fighter jets that incorporate technologies such as all aspects of stealth, even when armed, as well as possess a low probability of radar intercept and highly integrated computer systems.

Under this classification, the US is the only country in the world that has combat-ready, fifth-generation aircraft, namely the F-22 and the F-35 Lightning II models.

Russia's fifth-generation fighter jet, the T-50, made its debut in January 2010 but has not been equipped by the air force.

In December, Moscow and New Delhi reached a raft of defense and nuclear deals potentially worth billions of dollars, including joint design and development of fifth-generation fighter aircraft based on the T-50.

It took 15 years for the US military to develop the F-22, which costs around $150 million per unit. However, its production was terminated after President Barack Obama signed the country's 2010 de-fense bill that included huge spending cuts.

In promoting the defense bill, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in 2009 that China "is projected to have no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020" and only a "handful" by 2025, Reuters reported.

Li Daguang, a military expert at the PLA National Defense University, told the Global Times that Gates' prediction was overly optimistic.

"The recent rumor about the J-20 is pure speculation," he said. "The F-22 is an offensive weapon that fits Washington's global strategy. China's defense development is self-defensive in nature and does not require a fighter jet of that caliber.

"Furthermore, if China does want a fourth-generation fighter jet, it needs to build a large number of them in order to affect the regional military balance. The US has capped its number of F-22s at 187. How many should China build?"

Li also noted that China's aviation technology is still far away from competing with Western countries, especially the US.

"Some Western media are more optimistic than Gates, and than the Chinese people," he said. "They've hyped the issue because they want to."

Liu Linlin contributed to this story