This is a discussion on J-20... The New Generation Fighter within the Members' Club Room forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by Jeff Head One of the unintended consequences of the PLAAF showing off this taxi test (which is ...
Seriously, the question of the engine is crucial. This plane seems bigger than su-27/j-11b/T-50/F-22, and it needs a high power engine, and china has problems on this area. I dont tire of stressing this.
Seems real to me.
Why is so difficult to get a video!?
^^ I think videos got censored or something. People definitely took videos but no one dared to put them up yet.
That means, his claim is still pretty much ironclad, unless within the coming 6 years (the duration of the wager) or less CAC shoved those 3 humble pies down his throat. But then again, I wonder if everyone are that good memory...
As to why vid were censored, or at least nobody yet dared to put it up, I may have a theory: vid can be very revealing to how the control surface and other moving parts operates, and that's beyond what the CAC/PLAAF willing to let out at this time. As I've said before, those ground tests thus far (and the "looking the other way" by censors) were more of a "attention getting" move on their part, showcasing China's capability even under arms embargo and Russian's lukewarm attitude in technology transfers.
As to somebody said earlier about the probability of China make deal with Iran if and when the production model of J-20 is "golden", my take is unlikely, at least not before F-35 enter IDF/AF battle order - if I remember correctly, part of Israel's deal with China is not to make Iran too strong.
On the other hand, I think the US not particularly concern: it'd be at least 10 years for J-20 to reach significant number to make any difference, but by then stealth UCAV is coming into play, and the "lower-tier" F-22, F-35, F/A-18E/F are still in sufficient numbers to negate whatever advantage China hopes to gain with J-20 or whatever "lo-end" partner model would spin from it.
Certainly now it'd push the neighbors towards Sukhol and Lockheed Martin, flocking for the T-50 and F-35...meanwhile, Taiwan still woes over F-16C/Ds...
Last edited by MwRYum; 01-03-2011 at 11:35 AM.
are you kidding? J-20 designer is a fool ? see the photo below, how big is the J-11BS, there is no thing to prove J-20 prototype is bigger than Flanks. the engine just used for prototype flight test, not for supersonic cruise yet. they will replace WS-10G, later will replace WS-15 or 117C. J-20 sevice in PLAAF at least 5-6 years, PLAAF deputy commander HO said it will take about 8-10 years, so, you don't need to worry about.
The plane probably isn't bigger than a flanker, maybe a little smaller -- and they don't need a F119 class engine to get it off the ground. Non supercruising engines will still give it enough thrust to get airborne, it'll just limit a bit of everything else.
I suppose we'll see in a few years with the production model -- if the canards remain it must mean CAC have either found them to be negligible in contributing RCS or that they found a work around the problem.
Something I'm not clear on, is if canards are bad for stealth, then are conventional horizontal tails like those on the F-22 just as bad?
I mean, I could see how having a conventional layout plus canards would be bad, but in a sense, the J-20 has no more control horizontal control surfaces sticking out than the F-22, they're just in front of the wings as opposed to behind.
Could someone clarify this?
It certaily looks bigger than F-22