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    China's 2011 GDP growth revised upward to 9.3%

    China's gross domestic product (GDP) growth for 2011 has been revised upward by 0.1 percentage point to 9.3 percent from previous year, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said Wednesday.

    The revised GDP for 2011 stood at 47.29 trillion yuan (7.45 trillion U.S. dollars), 131.8 billion yuan higher than the preliminary reading released earlier this year, according to a statement by the NBS.


    The inflation adjusted revision was based on verified analyses of the country's annual reports, financial statements of different sectors and surveys by the NBS.

    The NBS statement showed that the newfound gains in GDP came from the country's service sector, while contributions to the general economy from agriculture and the manufacturing and construction industries were adjusted downward.

    The service sector grew faster than previously thought, reaching 20.5 trillion yuan last year at a growth rate of 9.4 percent year on year, up 172.3 billion yuan and half a percentage point from the preliminary figure released in January.

    Manufacturing and construction growth for 2011 was revised to 10.3percent, down 0.3 percentage points from the initial reading. The revised output of such industries stood at 22.04 trillion yuan, 17.9 billion yuan less than the January data.

    Growth in the agriculture sector eased 0.2 percentage points from previously announced rate to 4.3 percent year on year, with agricultural output being modified to 4.75 trillion yuan, 22.6 billion yuan lower than the initial calculation.

    Based on the revised statistics, the country's primary industries accounted for 10 percent of China's 2011 GDP, while secondary industries accounted for 46.6 percent and tertiary sectors accounted for 43.4 percent.


    The NBS will issue a final GDP reading in the coming months according to a three-step publication procedures with more detailed data.
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    China's Top 500 Companies Revenue Grows 24% in 2011

    Sinopec Corp has topped the list of China's largest 500 corporations for the eight consecutive year, according to a report released by the China Enterprise Confederation and the China Enterprise Directors Association.

    The top 500 companies reported a combined ¥44.9 trillion in revenues last year, up 23.7% from 2010. Sinopec's revenue was ¥255.2 billion and the smallest of the 500 companies posted ¥17.51 billion.

    310 state-owned firms and 190 privately-owned firms made the list, with the former group overwhelming the latter in terms of revenue, profits and assets.


    The state-owned enterprises on the list saw their revenue rise by an average of 22.2% to a combined ¥36.8 trillion in 2011; their revenues were 4.52 times that of private enterprises. State-owned firms also saw their net profits grow by an average of 22.8% to ¥2.1 trillion during the same period; their net profits were 7 times that of private enterprise; while their total assets amounted to ¥116.7 trillion, 8.7 times more than their private sector peers.

    All of the top 30 companies were state-owned. The top 10 companies, which included seven banks, two oil giants and one electricity distributor, were responsible for 23.4% of all the 500 companies' total revenue.
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    Here's an interesting read.

    China Stimulus Highlights Western Collapse | ETF DAILY NEWS

    China Stimulus Highlights Western Collapse

    August 28th, 2012


    Jeff Nielson: Yet again we see a Tale of Two Economies. One economy has a (real) plan. One economy has (real) growth. One economy acts proactively to address its problems.

    Then there is the Other economy. It’s only “plan” is to lie about how bad things really are. Instead of economic growth, it has substituted much more borrowing – and handing free money to a banking crime syndicate, as fast as the bankers can shovel it into their vaults. It acts onlyreactively, belatedly cobbling together hopelessly inadequate bandaids to cover-up gaping (self-inflicted) economic wounds.

    Readers should have no problem in identifying China as the first economy. The “other” economy could be the economy of any/every major Western nation. The rate of deterioration is the same in all of them, all that differs is how close to insolvency they were when the banker-plundering began.

    The role of the Corporate Media is clearly defined. When its focus is on the West’s own economies, rotting with corruption, the cheerleaders are deployed. We get one chorus after another of “don’t worry, be happy”, as the propaganda machine assures us that our Leaders have the situation under control.

    Conversely, when its gaze strays across the Pacific then the Chicken Littles are deployed. “The sky is falling” on China, we’re told again and again. We get a prime example of this from the UK’s propaganda-mouthpiece, The Telegraph. In drawing attention to what it claims is £800 billion in total, announced stimulus spending, it leads its article with the following hyperbole:

    One Chinese province after another has stepped forward over the last fortnight to announce their plans, in what appears to be a propaganda effort to reassure the public that the economy is still on track…

    When it comes to “propaganda” to “reassure the public that the economy is on the right track”, I would suggest to The Telegraph that it take off its rose-coloured glasses and have a look a little closer to home.

    We have the UK government practicing the economic sadism which Europe calls “austerity”, where the more the UK government cuts spending the worse its deficits get. As a matter of simple logic/arithmetic; there is a 0% probability of this policy fixing the economy, and a 100% probability it will lead to bankruptcy (exactly as it did in Greece).

    Indeed, UK austerity has been so self-destructive that as the government savagely cuts with its fiscal policy, we have the Bank of England simultaneously engaging in quantitative easing with monetary policy. The analogy is obvious. It’s like driving a car with one foot jamming the brake pedal to the floor, while the other foot jams the gas pedal to the floor.

    Note that the UK’s dismal economic performance (and the dismal economic performance of all Western economies) comes despite permanent, near-zero interest rates. As I’ve observed in several previous commentaries, this is the economic equivalent of a defibrillator: a measure so extreme that it’s only intended to be used briefly – and only in the most dire emergencies.

    Yet here we have the West’s ‘economic doctors’ perpetually frying all of these economies with this high-voltage emergency measure. Four, solid years of such reckless, mindless, shock-treatment has done nothing but bring all of these economies to the brink of total collapse (with Greece already past that point).

    Across the Pacific, China has normal interest rates. While it recently cut interest rates for the second time in two months, that only brought China’s interest rate down to 6% — higher than average, historical rates. China has to keep its rates this high, since in a global economy flooded with Western money-printing; its own economy immediately starts to over-heat if it takes interest rates below historical averages.

    Understand that interest rates are an absolute, unequivocal indicator of the health of an economy. High interest rates indicate an economy which is strong enough to ‘apply the brakes’ to the capital inside that economy. Conversely, low interest rates indicate an economy which needs stimulus; where the economy is so anemic that attaching interest to capital is enough to drag the economy down all by itself.

    Thus when we see permanent near-zero interest rates, the message is crystal-clear: we are looking at a dying economy. But don’t take my word for this. Simply look at the only nation in history to leave its interest rate at zero for decades, Japan. We’ve all seen the results achieved by that policy: a permanent zombie-economy, led by zombie-banks hiding vast amounts of bad debt – who can only escape their own oblivion by keeping interest rates at near-zero.

    All at once we see not only confirmation that permanent, near-zero interest rates are a failed policy; but also confirmation that our own near-zero interest rates were never intended to fix our economies. Instead, they are merely a form of permanent financial triage – intended solely to prevent the West’s criminal, zombie-banks from instantly drowning in an ocean of their own fraudulent bad bets.

    Note that even in The Telegraph’s piece of transparent propaganda that it’s impossible to hide the real story here:

    …China’s export sector is suffering from anaemic demand from Europe and the United States. In the first seven months, exports rose 7.8pc, while imports rose 6.4pc, leaving China in danger of missing its 10pc target for trade growth this year… [emphasis mine]

    While The Telegraph’s Chicken Little vainly struggles to incite hysteria over China’s economy, the facts leak out. China’s only “economic problem” is weakness in the West. Now the propaganda is fully on display.

    We’re supposed to be “worried” because China’s strong, healthy, growing economy may miss its growth targets due to the economic weakness in the West – and most-notably the U.S. What is the prescription from the mouthpieces of the Corporate Media? We’re all supposed to take our money out of China’s strong, healthy, growing economy, and move it to a “safe haven.”

    What is the supposed “safe haven” which the propaganda machine always places at the top of its list? U.S. Treasuries – the most overvalued paper ever produced by the Western banking cabal. With the U.S. already completely bankrupt, this makes the bonds themselves obviously worthless, since the debts can never be repaid. Yet despite this, Treasuries are priced at their highest level in history. At the same time, these bonds are denominated in U.S. dollars: a currency which by the definition of its own parameters is already worthless as well.

    Note that the Corporate Media continues to peddle the myth that China’s economy is dependent upon exports to the dying economies of the West, despite a Harvard research paper which established that by 2008 China had already ended its export-dependence and become primarily a domestically-fueled economy. Meanwhile, the propaganda machine engages in yet another exercise in lying-with-numbers when it talks about the “declining growth rate” of China’s economy.

    Here we have an economy which had (incredibly) achieved near double-digit economic growth, almost without interruption, for the better part of two decades. This massive, cumulative growth means that China’s entire economy has increased in size by several multiples over that period of time. Thus as an obvious matter of arithmetic China’s economy would grow as much (in absolute terms) today with a 3% growth rate as it did with 10% growth, more than a decade earlier. Even a 7% growth rate today would indicate a phenomenal rate of growth for an economy of this size.

    In short, China’s economy continues to expand near or at its maximum growth potential; while the decay of the West’s already-insolvent economies accelerates. Simply, no sane investor would/should move a nickel of their money from East to West until the West’s hopelessly dysfunctional economies demonstrate some semblance of economic health by normalizing interest rates.

    Conversely, as long as Western witch-doctors continue their suicidal near-zero “shock treatment”; we know that the only possible outcome is a permanent depression – as evidenced by Japan. And this multi-decade economic nightmare has absolutely no other goal than to rescue a criminal banking oligopoly from its own (well-deserved) bankruptcy.

    While the banksters continue to arrogantly proclaim themselves “too big to fail”, Iceland has already shattered that myth. It purged its economy of this totally parasitic oligopoly, with even the IMF forced to admit that this restored health to Iceland’s economy. The bankers have booked us all seats on the “Titanic” – solely to pay for their lifeboats.

    Written By Jeff Nielson From Bullion Bulls Canada

    Jeff Nielson is from Canada and is a writer/editor for Bullion Bulls Canada Bullion Bulls Canada - Precious Metals and Mining Stock information. He has a personal background in law and economics. Bullion Bulls Canada provides general macro-economic and political commentary, since the precious metals markets are among the most complex (and misunderstood) in the world.

    Bullion Bulls Canada also provides basic coverage of Canadian precious metals mining companies. Canada is the global leader in mining exploration, and Canadian-listed mining companies (on the Toronto Stock Exchange and Venture Exchange) are responsible for the majority of the world’s most-promising discoveries.
    I find the most interesting point is all the fearmongering over China is just to scare money away and into Western markets who need the boost. You're certainly not going to promote China as in better shape when that will just send more money over there and not help domestically.
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    Shandong Heavy Industry to acquire Kion for US$876m

    Shandong Heavy Industry Group plans to acquire a 25% stake in the German forklift truck maker Kion Group for €700 million (US$876 million), after Sany Heavy Industry, a major Chinese manufacturer of construction equipment, acquired the German concrete-pump maker Putzmeister.

    As the European debt crisis worsens, Chinese enterprises have been carrying out mergers and acquisitions aggressively in the European market. Experts say that although this is a good time for Chinese enterprises to acquire European firms, given their record low prices, there are high risks involved. The success of such a strategy depends on whether there are synergies between the acquirer and the acquired firm.

    There have been reports in the foreign media that Shandong Heavy Industry was in talks with Kion over the acquisition. The acquisition is estimated to cost €700 million-800 million (US$879 million-$1 billion). If the deal is completed successfully, it will be one of the largest made by a Chinese enterprise in Germany.


    Talks between Kion's shareholders Goldman Sachs and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co and Shandong Heavy Industry were previously deferred for several months. The deal is expected to be completed in two years.

    A securities analyst told the Shanghai-based Financial Daily that the group was selling its shares mainly due to financial pressure.

    Kion is the world's second-largest forklift truck maker, behind only Japan's Toyota Industries Corp.
    The group's annual revenues grew to €4.4 billion (US$5.5 billion) and its forklift truck brands include Linde, OM Still, Fenwick, Baoli and Voltas.

    Currently, the group is the largest foreign forklift truck manufacturer in China. It has two joint ventures in the country.

    Shandong Heavy Industry Group, the parent company of Weichai Power Co, specializes in construction and farm machinery. Its main products are road rollers, wheel loaders, excavators, concrete mixers, power tillers and diesel engines.

    Lu Jinyong, the director of China Research Center for Foreign Direct Investment, said Germany's machinery industry has superior brands, technology, quality and management systems.

    Tan Xuguang, the chairman of Shandong Heavy Industry Group, said in June that the group would pool its resources to support successful international M&As. It aims to increase its export-revenue ratio to one-third in the next 3-5 years.

    Although Chinese enterprises can acquire European companies at low prices, given the European economic recession, they face potential legal, employment and labor union problems after completing these deals.

    Since the beginning of this year, there have been several reports of Chinese enterprises acquiring European assets.

    The newspaper said that last year, the total value of Chinese enterprises' mergers and acquisitions in Europe exceeded US$70 billion, almost 10 times that of 2010.
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    Here's something that could change the region.
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    Measures to stimulate exports 'due out soon'

    The Chinese government is expected to launch a package of measures to support the nation's struggling exports in mid-September, the first such move since the global financial crisis, two sources from the Ministry of Commerce told China Daily.

    The measures cover a wide range of issues including tax rebates, insurance, credit, taxes, customs clearance and other tools to facilitate foreign trade
    , said the two sources. The move comes as China's export growth continues to slow.

    General Administration of Customs statistics showed that growth in China's overseas shipments has been declining since the latter half of last year, due to eurozone debt woes.

    In July, the nation's export growth slumped to 1 percent, the lowest since 2009. Officials and experts are pessimistic about the outlook for the nation's exports in the rest of the year.

    After a tour of Guangdong province last month, Premier Wen Jiabao said China should take measures to stimulate exports in the third quarter, a normally crucial period for the nation's overseas shipment, as Chinese exports continue to face many difficulties and uncertainties in the rest of the year.

    "The government has been highly alert regarding the nation's exports since Premier Wen's tour of Guangdong", the largest province in terms of foreign trade, and the nation is therefore "strongly motivated and determined to roll out the measures as soon as possible to boost China exports", said the sources.

    They refused to elaborate on when exactly the measures would be launched, but said it would be "around mid-September" when the government is due to publish a series of economic figures for August including exports, industrial output and inflation.


    Foreign trade figures for August are expected to be released next Monday.

    During the first seven months, China's overseas shipments rose by 7.8 percent from a year earlier and imports surged by 6.4 percent year-on-year, putting China at risk of missing the target of 10 percent for this year foreign trade growth.

    "Trade figures for August are not positive and not encouraging," said the sources. And "from the figures that we have got ending in August, we have to say it would be a very difficult task for China to achieve the target of 10 percent this year", they said.

    Wang Tao, an economist from UBS Securities, agreed on the dim outlook for the nation's exports.

    "As the European sovereign debt crisis drags on, and the US growth recovery falters, leading indicators do not give us confidence that export growth will recover," Wang said.

    Wen said during his Guangdong tour that, to help stabilize export growth, China will launch export-related policies, including expanding the scale of export credit insurance, reducing taxes, promoting trade facilitation in customs, and foreign exchange management, and accelerating tax rebate procedures.

    Early this week, sources were quoted by Bloomberg as saying that China may expand exporter tax rebates as soon as this month, giving a full rebate of the 17 percent value-added tax on products including furniture, shoes and toys, up from the current range of 13 percent to 15 percent.

    The nation used the tool in 2008 and 2009 when exports plunged during the global financial crisis, at one point raising tax rebates on 553 products including motorcycles and sewing machines.

    Can it work?

    Measures to help expand exports are required, as the slackening trade is increasing the risk that China will miss the target of 7.5 percent for this year's economic growth set by Premier Wen, some experts said.

    China's gross domestic product expanded 7.6 percent in the second quarter from a year earlier, the slowest pace in three years.

    During his visit to Guangdong, Wen warned that the economy could still face turbulence and called for measures to meet economic goals.

    However, Zhang Yansheng, secretary-general of an experts committee under the National Development and Reform Commission, said: "The impact of exports on the economy is not as big as expected.

    "To boost the economy, the top priority is to transform its economic growth model through stimulating domestic consumption, creating jobs, reducing taxes and providing vocational training to migrant workers," Zhang said.

    Lu Zhengwei, chief economist at Industrial Bank, said the package of measures which is in the pipeline can only help up to a point. "They can, to some extent, help exporters, but that would be limited. What is worse, they will increase the nations fiscal burdens and hurt the economy," he said.
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    New materials buzz pushes China's economic restructuring

    The total output of the country's advanced materials sector expanded by 150 billion yuan (24 billion U.S. dollars) to more than 800 billion yuan last year, showing quick-paced growth that officials and experts say will persist in the coming years and trigger economic upgrade.

    The annual growth of the sector in recent years has exceeded 20 percent on average, according to Vice Minister of Industry and Information Technology Su Bo, who made the remarks at an industrial exposition for advanced materials being held in Harbin, capital of northeast China's Heilongjiang Province.

    The expo, the second of its kind held in the world's second-largest economy, has attracted nearly 1,000 enterprises to display life-changing products ranging from environmentally-friendly tableware made from natural starch and heat-trapping walls for home decoration, to impact-absorbing steel cabins used as emergency shelters during blasts at coal mines.

    "Advanced materials are fundamental in promoting the upgrade of traditional industries. The sector also provides important support for the development of the countries' newly-emerging strategic industries," Su said.

    These strategically-important industries include energy conservation and environmental protection, new energy, new-energy cars and high-end equipment manufacturing. China currently boasts 18 key advanced materials technologies such as the making of special-quality steel products, advanced aluminum alloy and materials for electric car batteries,
    according to Gan Yong, vice president of the Chinese Academy of Engineering.

    Meanwhile, the country's production capacities for special-quality stainless steel, photovoltaic materials, glass fiber and functional rare earth products, among others, already hold top spots worldwide,
    Gan said.

    According to a development plan publicized in February by the government, the country aims to expand the industrial output of the sector to 2 trillion yuan by 2015.

    Heilongjiang Province, which neighbors Russia, has been vigorously developing the sector on top of its resource advantages and financial support in recent years.

    The Harbin City Enterprise Credit Financing Guarantee Service Center has helped secure 2.7 billion yuan of credit for local companies engaged in the sector since last year, Wang Li, the head of the center, told Xinhua.

    Around 160 local enterprises in the industry reported 46.2 billion yuan of gross output last year, up 29.8 percent year on year. Their main business revenues hit 45.5 billion yuan, up 27.5 percent, according to a press release from the provincial government's press office.

    The province mainly produces polymer materials, high-end structural steel, inorganic nonmetallic materials and composites.

    Other provinces such as Jiangsu and Hunan are also robustly developing new materials. Data show the output of the advanced materials sector hit 310 billion yuan in Hunan last year, marking the fourth consecutive year of growth above 30 percent, while Jiangsu has been making the sector a key area in promoting economic restructuring.

    Ren Xudong, vice president of Aluminum Corporation of China, said the group is making the production of high-end non-ferrous metals one of its two development strategies, in addition to its role as a resources supplier.

    Vice President of China Minmetals Corporation Li Fuli also said the group invested nearly 1.2 billion yuan last year in scientific research and development related to innovations in its new materials business.

    According to Gan Yong, the country has greater room for the industrialization of advanced materials in the next five to ten years only if existing problems are addressed, such as low levels of innovations and investment for scientific research as well as poor marketing for mass applications.
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    China's August exports grow 2.7% while imports drop 4.7%

    China's exports recovered a bit last month but imports posted the first loss since January, reflecting weak demand at home and abroad.

    Exports expanded 2.7 percent from a year earlier to US$177.9 billion in August, the General Administration of Customs said this morning. The pace picked up from the minor increase of 1 percent in July.

    Imports, however, fell 2.6 percent to US$151.3 billion, down sharply from a growth of 4.7 percent in July and 6.3 percent in June. They left a trade surplus of US$26.6 billion last month, compared with July's US$25.1 billion and June's US$37.1 billion.

    "The sudden deceleration in imports is hardly expected," said Xue Jun, an analyst at CITIC Securities Co. "It points to a sagging domestic demand as no monetary easing measures have been introduced since July."

    Lu Zhengwei, chief economist for China at Industrial Bank, said "although exports staged a rebound, it was much weaker than expected and exports may fluctuate because there has been no fundamental improvement in the European debt crisis."

    Lu estimated previously that exports might jump 5.5 percent from a year earlier in August, which proved to be too optimistic.

    Zhou Hao, an economist at Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Ltd, urged the government to roll out new supportive policies to stabilize economic growth. He said one more cut in the bank reserve requirement ratio is necessary to boost liquidity in the banking system and to cushion the economic slowdown.

    However, a rebound in inflation may refrain the government from further easing its monetary policy.

    The Consumer Price Index, a main gauge of inflation, ended a four-month streak of declines in August by expanding 2 percent, up from July's increase of 1.8 percent, the National Bureau of Statistics said yesterday.

    But other data are disappointing. China's factory production hit a three-year low and fixed-asset investment continued to shrink, dimming hopes for a robust recovery in the world's second-largest economy. It has become increasingly difficult for China to fulfill its goal of attaining a 10-percent trade growth this year.


    In the first eight months, China's trade rose 6.2 percent year on year to US$2.49 trillion, the Customs data showed. Trade surplus has grown to US$120.6 billion in August.

    Bank of Communications estimated in its report last month that China will have a total trade surplus of around US$150 billion this year, a bit less than last year's US$155.1 billion.
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    Revenues of China's software industry up 25.4 pct

    The software industry garnered more than 1.3 trillion yuan (205 billion U.S. dollars) in revenues in the first seven months of this year, up 25.4 percent year on year, government data showed Monday.

    The fast revenue growth came as the software businesses flourished in the nation's western regions such as Chongqing, Sichuan and Shaanxi during the period, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology announced.

    Data released by the ministry also showed that the surge in revenues was accompanied by a 12.5-percent rise in exports value of the sector in the same period, which reached 19.1 billion U.S. dollars, up 12.5 percent year on year.

    Data showed that the sector's exports have been recovering since May this year, with growth rates in May, June, and July up 1.3, 0.2, and 0.8 percentage points, respectively, on a monthly basis.
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    Chinese Auto Makers: Joint-Venture Junkies?

    Chinese auto regulators find themselves in a tight spot: Their 30-year quest to build an industry dominated by Chinese car brands has backfired, leaving them mostly with a collection of lethargic old lions.

    The problem: Joint ventures with foreign carmakers that have proven just a tad too comfortable. Opium poppies. How comfortable? Enough for He Guangyan, a former machinery industry minister, to describe the joint-venture set up in an interview last week as being “like opium.”


    “Once you’ve had it, you will get addicted forever,” he said.

    It’s a loaded thing for a Chinese government official, even a retired one, to evoke opium in the context of commerce with foreigners. But given the state of China’s auto industry, the metaphor is apt.

    Since the 1980s China has made no secret of its ambition to build an auto industry championed by its own brands. Early on in the country’s embrace of the market, Beijing officials directed massive state-owned enterprises (SOEs) like Shanghai Auto and First Auto Works to form joint ventures with foreign carmakers to absorb the technology and eventually build cars on their own.

    That strategy is in tatters today because managers at the SOEs were, very quickly, co-opted by global car companies.

    Chinese executives understand that they can generate jobs, profits and secure their own promotions simply by making and selling foreign cars through the joint ventures. At the same time, executives have found comfort in the fact that — thanks to auto industry ownership rules — the Chinese side keeps half ownership of the joint venture and a corresponding share of profits.

    Who cares about building one’s own brand, when one can make billions in profits by selling foreign cars? Chinese managers enjoy enough clout within the joint ventures to give them a sense of purpose and accomplishment. Why risk all that in an effort to build a brand new Chinese car?

    Result: The six leading SOEs anointed by Beijing to lead in cars today account for a pitifully low 2% of China’s car market, when not counting sales by their foreign joint venture subsidiaries.


    This embarrassing result has been masked in recent years by the unexpected rise of independent Chinese carmakers like Geely, Chery, Great Wall and BYD.

    Never part of Beijing policy makers official plans for the industry, these smaller companies surfaced one after the other over the past twelve years, incarnations of grit and initiative by bold entrepreneurs working in concert with provincial governments. By the end of 2011, Chery, BYD, Great Wall and Geely had become China’s top car brands, dwarfing the output at the SOEs.

    Officials in Beijing have grudgingly tolerated the independents because they put pressure on the larger state enterprises to get a little more serious about building Chinese brand cars.

    But now China’s top independent car companies find themselves in serious trouble, overwhelmed by competition and paralyzed by their own mistakes.


    In the first six months of 2012 Chinese independents have surrendered 3% of market share to joint ventures like Shanghai GM, Beijing Hyundai and Dongfeng Nissan. Foreign joint ventures now capture three out of every four new car sales, the highest level in six years, according to figures from LMC Automotive, a forecasting company.

    Once high-flying BYD saw profits drop 94% in the first half to a meager $2.6 million. Demand for Geely cars is flat at home. Its Swedish subsidiary, Volvo, saw profits dive in the first half of 2012. Great Wall and Chery were busted last month for asbestos in the engine gaskets of their cars shipped to Australia.

    It is the independents that produce China’s most competitive cars. Should the BYDs and Geelys go out of business, China would essentially be forfeiting the market to foreign brands and their Chinese abettors.

    That result has never been politically acceptable.

    So what will Beijing do? Look for China car brands to get some form of life support: more targeted tax breaks, special loans or even government purchase mandates. Export subsidies are already in play – Chinese car shipments to overseas markets are up 28% in the first six months of 2012, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency.

    All of these measures –- tools to buy time — could prove expensive. But for policymakers in Beijing haunted by the unsuccessful joint venture strategy, letting the independent Chinese carmakers go looks even less palatable than the hefty costs of keeping them alive.


    If auto industry officials could wipe the slate clean and start all over again, they would think twice about relying on joint ventures as a path to Chinese automotive bliss. To borrow a Chinese adage, Beijing has caught a fly in the mouth and it does know whether to swallow it or spit it out.
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    Another RT discussion on China.
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    Another RT discussion on China.

    David Pilling, William Powell, and Jim Rogers sure do know what they're talking about. This definitely clears up what the world economy is about and good way to measure the Chinese economy at this state. Thanks for the video, great discussion. Is RT News only available in cable channel?
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    Huawei, ZTE Called Uncooperative With U.S. Probe on Spying Risk - Bloomberg

    heh, huawei and ZTE got a hearing in the USA. By the sound of the congress people, the 2 companies are already at fault.
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    The discussion in the video is very pragmatic and simple common sense. Any distortion is all politically motivated. What's something so simple will be covered-up with elongated spin doctoring attempting to confuse nonsense as intellectual discussion so it's beyond you if you don't understand it.
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    Only the fittest shipyards set to weather the storm

    Given the difficult world shipping market and weak growth in global demand, it is hardly surprising that Chinese shipyards find themselves at their lowest ebb since the last order boom of 2007.

    According to industry analysts, a considerable number of the country's small shipyards are teetering on the verge of bankruptcy - in fact, many now believe that just the largest 300 out of the country's current total of more than 3,400 shipyards are likely to survive the current downturn, which could still last another three years.


    The latest industry data illustrates just what a dilemma is being faced by many in the sector.

    According to the China Association of the National Shipbuilding Industry, during the first seven months of this year, finished capacity at Chinese shipyards dropped by 7.7 percent from last year to 35.49 million deadweight tons.

    Total new orders stood at 11.64 million deadweight tons, a dramatic 50.7 percent drop compared with the same period last year.

    And the current order book amounted to 123.5 million deadweight tons, a 29.9 percent decline from last year, according to the association.

    But this is not just a problem for China's shipbuilding industry. Clarksons Plc, the global shipping services provider, has estimated that by the end of August, the global shipbuilding order book had dropped to 96.36 million compensated gross tons, the lowest reading since May 2005.

    It said that shipowners remain reluctant to place new orders, especially with South Korean shipyards - recognized around the world for their levels of advanced technology and sophisticated systems - declining to this year's lowest point in August.

    "Last year there was still demand for more sophisticated vessels. This year, market demand is weak for all kinds of vessels," said Sun Bo, a senior executive with China Shipbuilding Industry Corp, one of the country's major shipbuilding conglomerates.

    In the meantime, new building prices have also plummeted to the lowest level since March 2004, and are now a third of what they were at the peak reached in August 2008, according to Clarksons.

    Pressured by the low prices, a growing number of Chinese shipbuilders are now refusing to take orders and have suspended production, while some smaller shipyards have gone bankrupt.

    "The market will be even more difficult at the beginning of next year," added Sun. "A recovery is unlikely to happen within the next three years, and only big shipyards with strong order books are likely to survive."


    The bigger players such as China Shipbuilding have been trying to manage the risk by tapping into the manufacturing of marine engineering equipment, and analysts suggest the boom in offshore drilling activities represents the most lucrative sector for the industry.

    "To survive this difficult market, Chinese shipbuilders, faced with falling demand, should focus on adjusting their product structure," said Wang Jinlian, secretary-general of China Association of the National Shipbuilding Industry.

    However, as the industry's woes deepen, shipyards are also facing the added pressure of tougher loan conditions being imposed on them by banks, with many finding it increasingly difficult to secure much-needed funding.

    Zhang Guangqin, chairman of the association, has called on the banking sector to support the country's major shipbuilders, particularly with finance to secure orders from foreign ship operators and owners.

    "The industry's overcapacity is not as serious as many in the market think," Zhang said.

    "Although quite a number of our small shipyards have stopped taking orders since 2009, many of our big shipyards are very competitive, especially in the international market."
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