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    China plans to build military base in US Soil

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=JW9zipxSkYs

    Unproven source.

    But while reading through YouTube and the comments by hateful Americans on my Chinese ethnicity, I've seen how it transformed to hatred when people begun thinking about what would happen if China and the US went to war.

    However, just having the thought it would be nearly impossible, at least for our generation.

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    Re: China plans to build military base in US Soil.

    Excellent Satire!

    Its good to know that incisive, dry, Ironic, comedy is not dead in the US just banned from the media networks.


    Its a critique of republican policies transposed to "an approrpriate" foriegn state.

    Very good

    Moving to off topic however
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    Sadly such comments are quite the norm now if you know where to look e.g. the one about China product safety issue in msnbc. But of course birds of a feather flock together; it does not represent the rest, I hope.

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    Its good to know that incisive, dry, Ironic, comedy is not dead in the US just banned from the media networks.
    Trust me S. Viking..satire is alive and well on Tv in the US.
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    Re: China plans to build military base in US Soil.

    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    Trust me S. Viking..satire is alive and well on Tv in the US.
    I'm pretty sure that his statement was entirely ironic given the rolling eye smilie.

    But, really, satire on Americant television is nothing in comparison to the amount of social conservative rhetoric present there.

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    Are people here able to tell them apart? Ng-N-n-no. At least not the majority. People here don't even know where China is. And I find it sad that people in town seem to think that I am from the 49ers.....
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    With the current President of the United States so willing to ignore or bypass the system of checks and balances, when it does not suit him and the Congress so strangely unwilling to challenge him........(odd behavior given that the Constitution of the United States clearly sides with Congress on the major points of contention and is a legal question be a no-brainer as to who would win)

    Well let's just say that America has a better chance of adopting a more Chinese form of governmental organization in the next few years than the other way around. Yet that assumes that current trends continue. There are more than a few like the author of that video, who are most unwilling to keep silent on the issue..... fortunately George "Dubbwa's" approval ratings are "well south" of of what we would call "popular support". My own support for Bush sort of ended the day that I realized that Black Water could be used as a private army when paired with a very recent change in the disaster relief/national emergency statutes.

    Ahhh how quickly things change. In dire times like this, satire may be a most serviceable weapon in which to inform people of events, that are rather hard to swallow when plainly spoken.

    PS..... How can you ban dry incisive wit from the major newsrooms when most anchormen and women are totally incapable of it? I'm sure morticians might better off the cuff remarks than Dan Rather ever did.
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    ha funny video i hope no one take it seriously.

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    The intresting thing is that the PRC government owns and operates the former US Naval Shipyard at Long Beach CA as a port for COSCO..the Chinese state owned maritime shipping company.

    http://www.cosco.com.cn/en/index.jsp
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    The intresting thing is that the PRC government owns and operates the former US Naval Shipyard at Long Beach CA as a port for COSCO..the Chinese state owned maritime shipping company.

    http://www.cosco.com.cn/en/index.jsp
    I remember having a conversation with a former Panamanian elected official about facilities sold to China by the government. "He claims the Chinese bought a facility that was in major need of refit and had not been used in years." Assuming what he said was true, it would seem to indicate that China is willing to buy worldwide access to the sea but doesn't really have cash on hand to buy ownership of world-class shore facilities. Thus China might be buying "fixer-upper's" and then gradually making improvements as revenues allow.

    My question is Popeye.... have you seen the port you're talking about and how rundown or modernized is it? I may have to drive down thier and evaluate the facility for myself if I can find some high ground nearby in which to view it.

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    My question is Popeye.... have you seen the port you're talking about and how rundown or modernized is it? I may have to drive down thier and evaluate the facility for myself if I can find some high ground nearby in which to view it.
    It is now a modern facility used to off load container ships from China. You can go take a look but you can't get inside. I'm sure the drydocks are intact. As are other buildings. How usable are the drydocks and work shops? Your guess is as good as mine.

    Everyone working there is Chinese from the PRC.. They get to take tours of the sites in So. California. Otherwise they remain at COSCO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    It is now a modern faclity used to off load container ships from China. You can go take a look but you can't get inside. I'm sure the drydocks are intact. As are other buildings. How usable are the drydocks and work shops? Your guess is as good as mine.

    Everyone working there is Chinese from the PRC.. They get to take tours of the sites in So. California. Otherwise they remain at COSCO.
    I underlined your last paragraph Popeye and bolded it.... a very genteel way of putting something very important.

    If I were the Chinese politburo I would limit any access ordinary Chinese citizens working in America have to western cultural influences. (To taste United States culture is almost always to like it, and want more). I am sure the rules for COSCO employees about extended or unsupervised access to locations outside the COSCO facility are enforced to the furthest extent a rule can be enforced upon any individual.

    From the politburos point of view allowing privileged academics to live in America for a time is one thing. Allowing the type of citizen that would make up the majority of the COSCO dock staff to roam outside of the chinese owned areas and take in the local culture.... would not be desired by high party officials in China.... I doubt any dock worker at COSCO is ever granted anything more then a 5-8 hour pass to roam free,at the very maximum. Conversely Americans allowed inside the facility would consist only of US state, local and national officials and support staff.

    I may for kicks however put in a request to tour the facility that would 99.9999% certainty be rejected.... if for no other reason to annoy the communist party officals. How much do you want to bet I would be taken to areas where I could not speak with the dock workers even if I was granted a tour lol....
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    If I were the Chinese politburo I would limit any access ordinary Chinese citizens working in America have to western cultural influences. (To taste United States culture is almost always to like it, and want more).
    If you read the Cox Report, those people are the ones that most likely are potential spies. It works both ways. And if you are one to believe that China does steal all its technology from the US, then it works the other way probably better. So why would the PRC try to limit it when they gain more than they lose?

    That's really irrelevant because cultural aspects of both sides more and not politics play as barriers. All the things you think ordinary Chinese will love about the US isn't a monopoly of the US. They can get that from other countries. All the things that are uniquely American will be shut out from them because it's an exclusive "club." And you haven't heard of the many cases of Chinese who fail in business in the US that move back to China and are successful because they have the opportunities there that weren't given to them in the US? Mainly because there are glass ceilings in the US that prevent them from rising.

    What uniquely cultural things in the US can you be talking about? Popular music? Sports? Celebrity? Politics? Sorry but all those things are not values of the Chinese. And if you've notice those things require the acceptance of the masses to be successful. How many Asians in the US in general have been successful in those fields? Not many including non-Chinese. To which brings up the question... why? So either they're not successful because those are careers they don't pursue or they aren't being accepted by the masses. If not many Asians in general are successful in these careers, it's not a driving force to stay or get in the US. When you're an engineer, you don't need to be popular in order to put together a nuclear bomb. What's more valuable for a society? Catching a touchdown in the end zone or being able to build a bridge? Economics drives immigration more than politics. Just like I read in an article that ordinary Russians are moving to China or how Sunni, Shiite, and Kurd refugees live peacefully together in a Chinese southern city. It ain't the politics! It's all economics.

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    If you read the Cox Report, those people are the ones that most likely are potential spies. It works both ways. And if you are one to believe that China does steal all its technology from the US, then it works the other way probably better. So why would the PRC try to limit it when they gain more than they lose?
    They do not so much limit it as limit to the party hacks that can be trusted but to those people who are likely to enjoy living in a open society more then a closed one.... aka any person smart enough to know the difference when they see it.

    That's really irrelevant because cultural aspects of both sides more and not politics play as barriers. All the things you think ordinary Chinese will love about the US isn't a monopoly of the US. They can get that from other countries.
    But they cannot get those things from china itself. Little things like the ability to live where you want without govt permission, checks and balances, true separation of powers, limited government, elections that are more then crass political theater, multi party rule, and freedom of speech simply do not exist in china. Such things are not truly enjoyed in at least half of the world.

    All the things that are uniquely American will be shut out from them because it's an exclusive "club." And you haven't heard of the many cases of Chinese who fail in business in the US that move back to China and are successful because they have the opportunities there that weren't given to them in the US? Mainly because there are glass ceilings in the US that prevent them from rising.
    China isn't a country that is often called "the land of opportunity" but can you think of one that is? If you fail at business in the USA then its more often then not likely that your simply not good at business. I have had a couple of businesses die right out from under me and I am not going to blame other people (its dishonest, inaccurate and does not solve the problem). If anything America is a very tolerant and sensitive place. To say that anybody is treated unfairly in a pre-meditated and systematic way,,,with all the bleeding hearts running about, is just funny as hell.

    Compare and contrast this to China where the governments permission is needed in order to do almost anything of economic significance. The United States is surely over-regulated (especially when you compare the present day to its founding over 200 years ago). Yet even the most socialist elements of American law are quite limited and powerless compared to thier mainland chinese equvalents.

    Crys of the mythical "Glass ceiling" is funny as hell because the whole theroy is so discredited. Even AL Sharpton, Hillery Clinton, and other far left of center folks do not use that terminology anymore simply because study after study destroyed the "glass celeing" as a talking point.

    Oh and buy the way ... opprotunities are not given they are ceased by those with the smarts to see one. In a planned economey or one that is a closed society, the only opprotunities may be the one the government hands you.

    What uniquely cultural things in the US can you be talking about? Popular music? Sports? Celebrity? Politics? Sorry but all those things are not values of the Chinese. And if you've notice those things require the acceptance of the masses to be successful. How many Asians in the US in general have been successful in those fields? Not many including non-Chinese. To which brings up the question... why? So either they're not successful because those are careers they don't pursue or they aren't being accepted by the masses. If not many Asians in general are successful in these careers, it's not a driving force to stay or get in the US. When you're an engineer, you don't need to be popular in order to put together a nuclear bomb. What's more valuable for a society? Catching a touchdown in the end zone or being able to build a bridge? Economics drives immigration more than politics. Just like I read in an article that ordinary Russians are moving to China or how Sunni, Shiite, and Kurd refugees live peacefully together in a Chinese southern city. It ain't the politics! It's all economics.
    It may be "all economics" as you say. However being an open society is an economic good, and open societies nearly always outperform closed societies on a per capita basis. The politburo has been really lucky so far. They opened up their markets without granting any political freedoms. Its a balancing act that cannot hold forever. The choices that the Chinese people no have in choosing what goods they buy will cause then to question why they cannot make any choices in regards to what political party they belong to or why they cannot choose when it comes to politics.

    Their is a reason why its referred to as "democratic capitalism" even though the first word is one from politics and the second one is one from economics. The ability the choose inherent in both words is why they cannot be kept seprate with much success. Both thrive or fall together and having one without the other is inherently unstable.
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    They do not so much limit it as limit to the party hacks that can be trusted but to those people who are likely to enjoy living in a open society more then a closed one.... aka any person smart enough to know the difference when they see it.
    That goes in contradiction to what the Cox Report says. I believe it's been quoted that the majority of Chinese in the US are potential spies for China. I believe that includes the people you're talking about.

    But they cannot get those things from china itself. Little things like the ability to live where you want without govt permission, checks and balances, true separation of powers, limited government, elections that are more then crass political theater, multi party rule, and freedom of speech simply do not exist in china. Such things are not truly enjoyed in at least half of the world.

    And you're mistaken that the Chinese people are political. If they were, there would be constant revolutions. And you mistake the power of the communist party. If it were as powerful as the stereotypes suggest, there would be no crime or the thousands of protests you hear happen in China that don't result in a Tiananmen massacre. And those protests are all about the economics of their lives and not politics. Which is why the economy is paramount over everything else in the minds of the politicians and people in China.

    China isn't a country that is often called "the land of opportunity" but can you think of one that is?
    Did I say that? The universe operates in more than just black and white. So don't assume so much.

    If you fail at business in the USA then its more often then not likely that your simply not good at business.
    I guess you just ignored what I stated about Chinese going back to do business in China and being more successful, i.e, the richest self-made woman in the world being in China. That shouldn't happen in the China you stereotype. And apparently you don't know that a good portion of the new entrepreneurs and non-state owned businesses in China are of people that lived in Western countries and then moved back to be major players in China's economy. If one experiences Western culture and doesn't go back, explain how they broke that belief. Like I said economics trumps politics.

    And it's convenient to explain everything away as "laziness" in part of those that have faced the glass ceiling. But like I pointed out and you ignored, if that were true then why are there people that lived in the West at all in China doing better there than living in the West? According to you that shouldn't be happening at all.

    I know plenty of people that aren't in business that have moved back to China from the US and none of them did it because of politics nor were they entranced and captured by the unique US cultural values that you say are so irresistable. Really if they were so lured by the freedoms you say are important after experiencing them, then why do people even move back? Because either they are denied those freedoms or like I said... they don't exercise those freedoms enough in their private lives to care as much as you say they should.

    If everything is as absolute and balck and white as you make it, then why are those things happening? The "rules" of yours are being broken.
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