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I know some people who would see everything through a Republican vs. Democrat lens. Stuff like actor Adam Sandler doesn't get an Oscar nomination because he's a Republican. Yes, that Adam Sandler! So one day I get an email sent on mass with a link to a breitbart.com article claiming that Hollywood's slow movie box office is a result of Americans turning against Hollywood liberals and their liberal themed movies. It also claimed that Americans no longer wanted to see anything involving things that weren't American like martial arts. They wanted to see American heroes fight the old fashion way which I would guess was with fists like John Wayne use do it. So this story was like throwing chum into shark infested waters. People were replying to this email with a frenzy like they just won the Super Bowl. Then I chimed-in and simply typed... "Avatar... the biggest box office in the history the world!" It was like Dug the dog in the Pixar movie, Up, when he would be talking and then all of the sudden his head would pop-up in attention distracted looking in another direction and say, "Squirrel!" All of the sudden I was flooded with replies about how Avatar was a liberal brainwashing movie, it was anti-corporation, anti-American, anti-capitalist, it was a hippie-environmentalist movie, etc... Then I replied, "Thank you for proving the article wrong."Romney trying to shift back to economy - Yahoo! News
Romney trying to shift back to economy
By BEN FELLER and KEN THOMAS | Associated Press – 18 hrs ago.. .
NEW YORK (AP) — Republican Mitt Romney is trying to shift the focus of the presidential campaign away from anti-American violence overseas and back to the economy, accusing President Barack Obama of ignoring Chinese trade violations and pointing to a new Federal Reserve effort to bolster the economy as evidence of Obama's weak policies.
Obama, campaigning in the aftermath of the death of four Americans at a consulate in Libya, is playing up his role as commander in chief, vowing that "no act of terror will go unpunished."
Following a quick fundraising trip to New York, Romney was headed Friday to Ohio, which has been essential to any Republican seeking the White House. Obama carried the perennial battleground state in 2008, but it remains in the toss-up category and could again play a pivotal role in the election.
Obama returned to Washington late Thursday after a two-day trip to Nevada and Colorado and planned to wrap himself in Olympic glory on Friday, meeting with members of the U.S. Olympics and Paralympics teams at the White House. Romney has reminded voters of his work leading the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics out of financial turmoil, while Obama has embraced the all-American images of the Olympics team, cheering on their success during rallies last month.
In a Virginia suburb of Washington, Romney returned to his emphasis on the economy, promising to crack down on China. His campaign released a new television ad claiming that China has outpaced the United States in new manufacturing jobs since Obama took office.
The White House responded, saying that all of the actions the administration has initiated at the World Trade Organization to rein in China have been successful. Obama's campaign said Obama has brought as many cases challenging China trade policies in 3 1/2 years as former President George W. Bush did in eight.
Romney also seized on the Fed's new attempt to jumpstart the economy, saying it showed that Obama's economic agenda has not succeeded. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke outlined plans to spend $40 billion a month to buy mortgage bonds and keep short-term interest rates at record lows through mid-2015 as a way to revitalize a slow-growing economy with an unemployment rate of 8.1 percent.
"What Bernanke's doing is saying that what the president's saying is wrong," Romney said in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America." ''The president's saying the economy's making progress, coming back. Bernanke's saying, 'No, it's not. I've got to print more money."
The former Massachusetts governor also said in the ABC interview that he wasn't worried about various polls, calling it "politics." He said he believes the election will be decided by people "who are in the middle" and said he thinks his message about creating jobs will appeal to them.
He said he's looking forward to a series of debates with Obama next month and said he thinks his challenge will be to get his message across to the voters.
"The president tends to — how shall I say it? — say things that are not true," he said. Romney conceded that "beating an incumbent is never easy" and said that Obama "exudes an aura of likeability."
"I think he's going to say a lot of things that are not accurate," Romney said, adding that he doesn't want to "spend my time correcting things that are not accurate."
Obama campaigned Thursday in Golden, Colo., telling his audience that his administration would do "whatever is necessary to protect all Americans who are serving abroad. In the wake of an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three aides, Obama vowed that "those who killed our fellow Americans" will be brought to justice.
The Obama campaign continued to hammer Romney on Friday for refusing to release his tax returns. In vetting candidates on his short list for a running mate, a new Obama web video says, Romney demanded to examine 10 years of tax returns. The video goes on to list five possible reasons Romney has made only one year of tax returns public.
Romney keeps millions of dollars of his wealth in foreign tax havens and pays a lower tax rate than most middle-class Americans by aggressively taking advantage of tax loopholes that are available only to the rich, the Obama campaign says. The video concludes that the No. 1 reason he won't release more returns is that "he thinks coming clean will hurt him in the election."
Romney spent his Thursday evening raising cash in the wealthy neighborhoods of Long Island, N.Y., first at the home of hedge fund manager Lee Ainslie, and then at the home of Robert Rosenthal, chairman of an investment banking firm. He was to have another fundraiser in New York on Friday morning before heading to Ohio. Romney's campaign had no immediate details on his cash haul from the New York swing.
Republicans also awaited an Obama administration report, expected to be released Friday, on how it would implement $110 billion in across-the-board cuts in defense and domestic spending due to take effect Jan. 2. The threatened cuts would kick in if Congress and the White House, by year's end, fail to reach a deal to cut the budget deficit by $1.2 trillion over the next decade.
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Obama video: The Top Five Reasons Why Mitt Romney Won't Release More Tax Returns - YouTube
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Feller reported from Locust Valley, N.Y. Associated Press writers Charles Babington in Golden, Colo., and Steve Peoples in Boston contributed to this report.
That's what Mitt Romney thinks how he'll get out of the hole he just dug over his politically motivated comment of the American diplomats being killed in Libya. Just bring up China and that will distract Americans away from his possible campaign suicide mistake. They say foreign policy is Romney's weakness and he was hoping to ride Americans' disinterest in the rest of the world to his favor. And then this happens... Now Romney has to answer questions about how he'll handle foreign policy beyond just blaming China for the US's economic problems.
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Actually I think we can put that down to another reason entirely!Stuff like actor Adam Sandler doesn't get an Oscar nomination because he's a Republican
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Originally Posted by Franklin
I wish you hadn't posted that, or at least not mention the comments, I'll never get that time back.
Leaders act in the interest of the people, even if it's against the wishes of the people he/she serves; politician merely placate the people while advancing their own agendas or that of their patrons.
The president is merely a tool you get to choose to supposedly drive a nail home. You can choose an egg, a rock, or a hammer, but it doesn't matter because the wielder has no intention of using it.
With that being said, Obama looks to be the better candidate because he should create less problems than his rival.
I don't believe anyone will be too damaging to the China-US relationship though, the very people who is directing blame at China would not allow it, they are using China as a scapegoat but they should know where to draw the line.
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I recently read that Romney wants to increase the army with 100000 men, build 15 Navy ships per year instead of 9, restart F-22 production. How would he pay for all that?
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That's easy, like they always done before...borrow from China!
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Look, I like some of Adam Sandler's movies, but I wouldn't consider him as a serious Oscar contending actor. Americans, China, and most of the world could never get tired of martial arts movies. I still watch western movies (as in cowboys and indians). The last one I've seen was "3:10 to Yuma" with Russell Crowe and it was good.
Now as far as Mitt Romney is concern, he doesn't have a clear strategy on dealing with the issues, he just criticizing the Obama administration in whatever they did when the news come up. He needs to be precise and clear about his plans.
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After calling out this:That's easy, like they always done before...borrow from China!Another alternative, FED can always print more money out of thin air.The president has had the chance year after year to label, to label China a currency manipulator, but he hasn't done so and I will label China the currency manipulator they are on the first day?
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You can like his movies. It's just Oscar and Adam Sandler don't go together. He's a one-trick pony and use to be box office gold because he had a different shtick that now is like lead in the box office. "Seen that!" The people I hear say he deserves an Oscar nomination are serious though and I just burst out laughing everytime they mention it and it has nothing to do with him being a Republican. My argument with them is the vast majority of people don't watch movies through a Republican vs. Democrat lens so the slumping box office has nothing to do with politics. Of course I'm branded a liberal for saying that. Yeah like believing Adam Sandler deserves an Oscar has nothing to do with him being a Republican and everything to do with being a great thespian. [Insert burst of laughter here]
Not sure if Chinese Mainlanders like Westerns but I know Asians in general do. The reason why they say the Western was dying is not because people don't like them. It's because when Europeans started investing in Hollywood, they had a clause that none of their money be invested into Westerns because Europeans apparently don't like them. Who knows that might change now since China has become a big box office for Hollywood.
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Candid camera with Mitt Romney talking about Iran and people who don't pay taxes.
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This morning I was watching TV and it was mentioned Romney has been quoted as saying if Mexican-Americans voted as a block it would be bad for the country to which Democrats of course are attacking. I've mentioned this before in here that in San Francisco the Democrats have the same feelings for the Chinese-American community. When there's a Chinese candidate running in a major position in anything, they always bring up how it's unfair if Asians voted as a block. Meaning they want to dilute the Chinese community vote so that their choice candidate wins. The election for mayor last year, the Democratic establishment put out another Chinese candidate to go up against now Mayor Ed Lee while officially backing another in order to do the same thing but not so obviously racist by complaining publicly about it. In SF it use to be city supervisors were elected by city districts. So the districts that covered Chinatown and other neighborhoods heavily Chinese always had a Chinese representative elected. Then they changed it to city wide elections where the top 11 people who got the most votes are elected supervisors. That election had only one Chinese when usually there were two or three. THat's called gerrymandering. Something Democrats accuse of Republican all across this country. There use to be a radio talk show host in SF who was a big liberal and called himself the lion of the left. Problem was he hated Chinese. Everytime there was a Chinese candidate running in whatever office, he gave the opponent airtime on the radio while he never would do that for any other circumstance. Karma is a bitch because the guy was eventually arrested and imprisoned for child molestation.
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How Americans see China – Global Public Square - CNN.com BlogsHow Americans see China
In meeting with Chinese President Hu Jintao two months ago, President Barack Obama said: “Over the last several years…we have been able to really create a new model for practical and constructive and comprehensive relations between our two countries.” By early July, on the campaign trail in Ohio, he was touting his administration’s record for bringing “trade cases against China at a faster pace than the previous administration.” This was underscored by the Obama administration’s September 17 unfair trade case at the World Trade Organization against alleged Chinese subsidies of auto parts exports.
Meanwhile, the president’s Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, has promised that on his first day in office he will issue an executive order branding China a currency manipulator, possibly triggering a trade war. However, in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on February 16, he stated that “a trade war with China is the last thing I want,” and then backed away from the threatened executive order by saying that he would designate Beijing a currency manipulator “unless China changes its ways.”
The casual observer might be excused if he or she concluded that the candidates were presenting a mixed message about the China policy they would pursue if they win in November. This paradox may simply reflect the candidates’ efforts to reconcile the imperatives of campaigning versus the constraints of governing when confronted with sharply contrasting views of China.
On the one hand, the candidates are attempting to woo voters worried about China’s rise. On the other, China experts are advising that whoever is elected president will one day have to deal constructively with Beijing.
Reconciling these often conflicting perspectives may prove one of the toughest foreign policy challenges facing the next U.S. president.
Most Americans describe relations between the U.S. and China as good, but most consider China a competitor rather than an enemy or partner, according to a new survey by the Pew Research Center.
Indeed, when asked which country represents the greatest danger to the U.S., more Americans volunteer China (26 percent) than name any other country, including Iran and North Korea. And about half (52 percent) view China’s emergence as a world power as a major threat to the U.S.
In particular, nearly eight in ten Americans say the large amount of U.S. debt that is held by China is a very serious problem for America; majorities also consider the loss of U.S. jobs to China (71 percent) and the U.S. trade deficit with China (61 percent) to be very serious.
But the public is also worried about China’s impact on the global environment (50 percent), cyber attacks from China (50 percent), China’s growing military power (49 percent) and China’s policies on human rights (48 percent) as major problems.
It is little wonder then that only 26 percent of the public say the U.S. can trust China.
Nevertheless, the public is divided on what to do about China: 28 percent want the next president to build a strong relationship with Beijing, 24 percent want him to be tough with China on economic and trade issues.
Obama and Romney are hearing a slightly different story from the foreign policy community, including government officials, retired military officers, business and trade leaders, scholars and the media, also surveyed by the Pew Research Center.
Like the general public, strong majorities of these experts, more than seven in ten, see China as a competitor rather than an enemy or partner.
Also, like the public, retired military officers are more likely to name China as the country that represents the greatest danger to the U.S. In contrast, Iran is cited more frequently by government officials, business and trade leaders and members of the news media.
But, for the most part, foreign affairs experts are far less concerned than the general public about issues related to China. Less than half of the retired military officers and less than a third of the other experts view China’s emergence as a world power as a major threat to the U.S.Fewer than four in ten say the loss of U.S. jobs to China, the U.S. trade deficit with China, China’s growing military power and China’s policies on human rights are very serious problems for the U.S.
Only cyber attacks from China are considered a very serious problem by at least half of the experts surveyed. Retired military officers are especially concerned.
Still, experts are not that much more trusting of Beijing than is the public. Only about a third or less say the U.S. can trust Beijing. However, they place a much higher priority on building a stronger relationship with China (62 percent versus 28 percent among the public).
The November 6 presidential election will not be determined by the candidates’ views on China. But given the public’s fairly hawkish views on China, both Obama and Romney will not shy away from sounding tough on Beijing. And, after election day, whoever is the next president is likely to hear more cautionary advice from foreign policy experts.
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Just more thoughts on this one. Mitt Romney keeps shooting himself in the foot. The problem as I see it is that Mitt is completely not conservative. There is a huge difference between giving tax breaks to bankers and big corporation vs being conservative. He is the former or what we would call a corporatist, not a conservative.
That entire 47% message just shows that he is clueless about conservative ideology. For example, I believe that conservative fiscal policy can bring prosperity to all by creating wealth that will benefit all to a certain degree. Some people will gain more than others, but that's capitalism. Mitt doesn't understand that poor people would still vote for a real conservative for the hope that candidate may bring more opportunity out there so people don't have to rely on the government.
It's a really sad state of the affairs when the past 2 Republican presidential candidates McCain and Romney just don't understand the conservative economic model at all.
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To the contrary, I believe Romney understands precisely the Free Market economic model and its conservative roots. He pointed it out very well last night. His plan will create more jobs for more people.
His 47% comments have been taken out of context and completely used against what his actual plan is.
It is true that there are a certain (too large) a segment of people who will only vote for those who promise to keep them on the dole. Romney could have worded his articulation of that point better. Clerly, a large number of the 47% are willing to find work, take a job and be a part of the "engine'. But the bottom line, it is not representative of who he is or what he proposes.
His plan is not to give cuts and special opportunities to bankers and big corporations. His plan is to fire up the economic engine of the free market and create jobs...and he knows precisely how to do that.
Lats night, we saw Romney in his element, unfettered by the lens and interpretations of the media or the Obama campaign. And he took Obama apart.
This web ad absolutely nails the essences of that 1st presidential debate...both Romney's clear, head-on message, and Obama's demeanor and reaction. I believe it will...and already is...making a huge difference. You cannot filter this one with campaign ads or media interpretation. It is out there on the web in its entirety and people can see the two men, what they represent, how they responded and their passion or lack thereof. Unfiltered messages from each man with their ability to question the other and back up their own statements.
Romney may not have had a stupendous "moment" where he put Obama in his place with a single phrase that people will talk about for 20 years. Instead, he had 90 minutes of as complete a Presidential blow out as I have witnessed in my entire life. I cannot remember such a lop sided presidential debate since I have been old enough to care...meaning over the last 40 years. And, IMHO, THAT is what will be remembered and talked about for 20 years and more.
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I don't know about that, it seems like Romney stutters and just reiterating what's written for him on paper. He's trying too hard to get all the "bullet points" out as fast as he can. He doesn't even answer the question directly but more of selling points as to what he's gonna do when elected as president. Now, to some of us Obama does looked passive in those debates, but don't be fooled. We have to wait and see the rest of the debates to give out a more definite grade between the two candidates. Now I can't wait for the Vice Presidential debate between Biden and Ryan, that'll be something to watch out for!
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i personally like Obama, but make no mistake, Romney hit hard in that debate
it's Obama's campaign team fault that they think they can play defense and underestimate what kind of a fight and heat Romney could put up
if anything else, it is a clear example that general public like and follow good impression and promises, not exact actual facts or plans, or details and description which Romney hadn't been able to provide
Romney stood up good with his promises and sales pitches, while Obama tried too much to be presidential and lay out his plans to the viewing public, which is again a mistake, because this is a campaign
The president looked like he didn't want to be there, and lacked the passion for a debate or to push Romney to the edge of the cliff
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