Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

obj 705A

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Sorry, but just who is the US supposed to protect Saudi Arabia from exactly? The Saudis already did the hard part of making peace with Iran, with China as facilitator and guarantor of that peace. What need do they have for American security guarantees? To protect them against whom? Because America and Israel are their biggest internal and external security threats right now and into the future.
the only security the US is willing to guarantee is that of Israel. Take the UAE for example, the UAE has always been a vassal of the US/Israel however with the Abraham accords the UAE decided to go public with it's loyality to the US & Israel with the excuse that the UAE will finaly get the F-35. and then what happened? Israel said "naah, even if you are subservient to us you still can't get weaponry as modern as ours" and now the UAE will have to go to either Russia or China for 5th gen fighters.
 

Serb

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Well, maybe they could intervene by kicking US troops out of their soil, not allowing anyone to utilize their airspace for any military operations, and blocking all trade with Israel.

I agree, but it takes some time. Everyone basically shat on Turks too, and in the end, they slam-dunked Israel the hardest economically so far.









Also, you had Saudis basically quietly agreeing and following a ceasefire between their proxies and Ansarallah in Yemen, brokered by China, which in fact allowed Houthis to be able to focus on asymmetric warfare against Israel and the West, dealing them one of the hardest military and geostrategic humiliations and defeats in history (via Iranian intel & drones).




Also, they firmly denied ever helping the US intercept those missiles, this could just be some cope and some psyop in desperation by the US.


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IMHO, Saudis are playing a long game here, they are not going against Iran nor the US at the time, as both of them could basically blow up their oil fields and disrupt their revenues and economy. However, indirectly, they are already in SCO, BRICS, selling oil in yuan, selling US bonds, etc. Case in point, they are not attacking Iranian missiles flying over their territory, nor are they targeting the US military hardware similarly using it.

As for the US bases, they are probably already signed in a long-term deal so you can't throw them out that easily. Also, they are still dependent basically on the US for maintaining their military equipment and buying new at least in the short term, until China can fully assume that position.






Edit: To illustrate this, why the heck would Iranian and Saudi officials meet so often nowadays if they are still as hostile as before China brokered that deal? Why would Iran be comfortable saying something like this if they already don't have some secret new consensus with the Saudis?



 
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Petrolicious88

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Sorry, but just who is the US supposed to protect Saudi Arabia from exactly? The Saudis already did the hard part of making peace with Iran, with China as facilitator and guarantor of that peace. What need do they have for American security guarantees? To protect them against whom? Because America and Israel are their biggest internal and external security threats right now and into the future.

Israel has made itself even more of a pariah than it ever has been with its ongoing brutal genocide of the Palestinians. Any Arab or Muslim government would face massive internal opposition if not open rebellion to be seen to be supporting Israel right now. Even that dictator in all but name Erdogan who is in charge of a people who most want to be western is forced to violently change cause on Israel.

America is becoming an oil and gas net exporter due to fracking. China is the Saudi’s biggest customer. Therefore its entirely plausible for America to look to destroy Saudi oilfields to cut supply to China as a fail safe contingency plan.

Finally, security guarantees are only worth anything if the guarantor is willing to live up to their end of the bargain. America has shown the world in no uncertain terms that it desperately does not want to be dragged into another ME war, not even to protect its most treasured holy cow Israel. What worth would any of its security guarantees to Saudi Arabia be worth after that? If America will not fight for Israel, what prized idiot would think they would fight for Saudi Arabia?
If the Saudi’s believed that, then why are they asking for security guarantees as part of the deal.

In fact, it would be a formal treaty that requires ratification by two thirds of the U.S. senate. And that’s exactly the point; they want a defense commitment that’s not subject to the vagaries of US politics.

- They want permanence, in writing, ratified by Senate, that would say exactly when U.S. will act in its defense and when it won’t.

Israel is the one that might destroy the whole deal. Netanyahu believes that blocking the formation of a Palestinian state right now is more important than relationship with the Saudis. Everybody, including the U.S. are calling for a ceasefire.
 

Serb

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If the Saudi’s believed that, then why are they asking for security guarantees as part of the deal.

In fact, it would be a formal treaty that requires ratification by two thirds of the U.S. senate. And that’s exactly the point; they want a defense commitment that’s not subject to the vagaries of US politics.

- They want permanence, in writing, ratified by Senate, that would say exactly when U.S. will act in its defense and when it won’t.

Israel is the one that might destroy the whole deal. Netanyahu believes that blocking the formation of a Palestinian state right now is more important than relationship with the Saudis. Everybody, including the U.S. are calling for a ceasefire.


Where is the proof of that virtual security 'deal' then? In Western clown media? There was no mention of that in Saudi media. That's US wishful thinking and standard CIA manipulation.

(The US has control of their media on the level of North Korea or probably even more).

Saudi Gazzeta? Zero mention. Arab News? Zero mention. Saudi Official Press Agency? Zero mention. That's all US desperate copium.
 

Petrolicious88

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Where is the proof of that virtual security 'deal' then? In Western clown media? There was no mention of that in Saudi media. That's US wishful thinking and standard CIA manipulation.

(The US has control of their media on the level of North Korea or probably even more).

Saudi Gazzeta? Zero mention. Arab News? Zero mention. Saudi Official Press Agency? Zero mention. That's all US desperate copium.
Sure it could all be fake new. But I don't see the Saudi's putting out any statements refuting it either. Zero mention.

The two side are most likely doing some level of negotiation.
 

Petrolicious88

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Security from what??
Good question for the Saudis.

I'm sure the Saudi military is very capable of defending themselves with their "wasta" mentality based on favoritism instead of meritocracy. Very high quality military that did a great job against Yemen even with all that US weaponry.
 
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