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bladerunner · 11-16-2009

Were the selected youths meeting Pres. Obama from all walks of life or card carrying uni students?

bd popeye · 11-17-2009

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Originally Posted by bladerunner

Were the selected youths meeting Pres. Obama from all walks of life or card carrying uni students?

I think they were hand picked from various universities. Just my opinion.

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U.S. President Barack Obama inspects a Chinese military honour guard with China's President Hu Jintao during an arrival ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, November 17, 2009. Obama wrangles over trade and currency policy with his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao on Tuesday, with Iran and North Korea competing for attention at the summit of the two global powers. (Reuters)

This photo was in the batch with the ones above. Check the second man from the right....Is it photo-shopped??

SampanViking · 11-17-2009

Very clearly, the meeting of Presidents has not been a meeting of minds. The pre-meeting comments did not auger well "Conflict between us is not inevitable". This is not a particularly encouraging phrase as it suggests the old Airplane Movie plot where all the crew and most of the passengers have food poisoning, but where a tragic disaster is not inevitable!

At the public statements, the body language was poor and both men spoke about different things. Obama concentrated on Religious Freedoms and the Dalai Lama, while Hu concentrated on business and protectionism. In other words no significant progress has been made on any issue other than to keep talking.

The sub text appears to be that America "will not seek to constrain the rise of China" only as long as China agrees to play the part of Junior partner, while China itself is only prepared to accept a position of equality. In the meantime NED will continue to fund Chinese dissident groups and Beijing will not allow any significant appreciation of the Yuan.

My opinion (expressed and illustrated in detail elsewhere) is that we have seen a year of intense hardball being played between both sides and that so far neither side has been prepared to yield any substantive point to the other. My prognosis therefore is that this hardball will not only continue but also intensify over the coming months.

vesicles · 11-17-2009

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My prognosis therefore is that this hardball will not only continue but also intensify over the coming months.

I have to disagree with that. I think it's been a trend for a US president to play hardball with China since Nixon's time. The things only warm up later on. If you look at all the former US administration, it's always like this. It's a game played by both sides for a long time. I think this is decided by domestic politics in both nations. Both leaders want to please the public. The new US president is tell the Americans "see, I'm tough on China. I'm going to be a good president." and The Chinese president is telling the Chinese "I have a strong spine and I'm standing up to the superpower." At the same time, I think, the Chinese president is also telling his newly elected American counterpart "look, you are the rookie here. I've been around long before you and I'm your equal. Don't you ever look down on me! Those things you said about China in your election will never work!"

bd popeye · 11-17-2009

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U.S. President Barack Obama talks to China's President Hu Jintao at the Diaoyutai State Guest House in Beijing November 16, 2009. Obama will attend a summit with Hu in the capital on Tuesday, when the contention over trade, currency and economic policies will jostle for attention along with North Korea, Iran and climate change.

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U.S. President Barack Obama , and Chinese President Hu Jintao walk past senior members of China's government after a greeting during a welcoming ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing November 17, 2009.

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U.S. President Barack Obama looks on as Chinese President Hu Jintao, second from right shake hands with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton during a welcome ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009.

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U.S. President Barack Obama, left, speaks next to Chinese President Hu Jintao during a joint press conference at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009.

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U.S. President Barack Obama poses for photographers with Chinese President Hu Jintao after a joint press conference at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009.

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US President Barack Obama tours the Forbidden City in Beijing, on November 17, 2009. Obama is in China for a much-anticipated four-day state visit during which the two sides discussed trade frictions, the North Korea and Iran nuclear issues, and world efforts to address climate change.

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U.S. President Barack Obama attends a State Dinner Reception with Chinese President Hu Jintao, at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009.

bd popeye · 11-17-2009

Follow the link below for photos of US Pres. Obama visit to China.

US President Obama in China photos & discussion

Not many China centric photo today..it's all about Obama..

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Taxis line up to get their tanks filled on a viaduct in Chongqing municipality November 17, 2009. Central and eastern Chinese provinces faced the worst natural gas shortage in years as supplies were diverted to snowstorm-hit northern China, while producers lacked incentives to expand output because of poor margins, a state broadcaster said on Tuesday.

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Author Su Tong poses for photos after his book 'The Boat to Redemption' was awarded the third-annual Man Asian Literary Prize in Hong Kong on November 17, 2009. The Chinese author behind Oscar-nominated film 'Raise the Red Lantern' has won a major Asian literary prize with his latest novel, set during the Cultural Revolution, organizers said.

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Containers are seen at the Rizhao Port, Shandong province November 17, 2009. U.S. President Barack Obama wrangles over trade and currency policy with his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao on Tuesday, with Iran and North Korea competing for attention at the summit of the two global powers.

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A man reads a Taiwanese newspaper in Taipei showing a photo and headline story about US President Barack Obama's town hall event in Shanghai on the front page on November 17, 2009. Obama fielded questions from his audience of university students as well as Internet users on November 16, speaking on subjects ranging from 'universal rights' and Taiwan to Chinese NBA basketball star Yao Ming.

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A man looks at gold jewelery on display in a shop window in Hong Kong on November 17, 2009. Hong Kong gold prices opened at a record high of 1,140.00-1,141.00 US dollars an ounce, up from a November 16, 2009 close of 1,131.00-1,132.00. AFP PHOTO / MIKE CLARKE (Photo credit should read MIKE CLARKE/AFP/Getty Images)

flyzies · 11-17-2009

There's been alot of positive statements released during this visit, but nothing that tells us anything new. It's like Hu and Obama are reliterating everything both nations have already agreed on in past forums like the G20.

No breakthroughs have been made on disagreements, like the value of Yuan and US's increasing slide towards protectionism. I cant see China and US seeing eye to eye on climate change and as a result the upcoming Copenhagen summit is going to be a flop.

IMO the bottom line is this; there are more disagreements between the two nations than there are agreements. Both leaders will keep the lid on things, but underneath, the tensions only going to increase.

bd popeye · 11-18-2009

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US President Barack Obama tours the Great Wall of China in Badaling, outside of Beijing on November 18, 2009. The US president was to wrap up his maiden trip to the world's most populous nation with a bit of tourism -- a visit to the Great Wall, one of China's most treasured landmarks -- before heading to South Korea.

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US President Barack Obama tours the Great Wall of China in Badaling, outside of Beijing, China, November 18, 2009, with the Chinese Ambassador to the US Zhou Wenzhong.

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U.S. President Barack Obama steps aboard Air Force One at Beijing airport as he leaves China on his way to South Korea, November 18, 2009. Chinese state media praised Obama on Wednesday for helping ease fears of China's rising strength, setting a guardedly upbeat tone at the end of a visit that exposed rifts over trade and currency policy.

bd popeye · 11-18-2009

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A Chinese construction worker smokes a cigarette as he arrives to work at a building site in Shanghai on November 18, 2009. As US President Barack Obama wraps up a trip to China aimed at bolstering relations between the two countries, according a November 16 poll in the United States, a clear majority of US citizens see China as an economic threat, with two-thirds of those surveyed saying they saw China as a source of unfair competition for US companies.

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HONG KONG - NOVEMBER 18:Shunsuke Nakamura (#10) of Japan and Li Haiqiang (#11) and Wong Chin Hung (#25) of Hong Kong compete for the ball during AFC Asia Cup 2011 Qatar qualifier match between Hong Kong and Japan at Hong Kong Stadium on November 18, 2009 in Hong Kong, China.

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Mainland Affairs Council Chairwoman Lai Shin-yuan gestures during an interview with Reuters in Taipei November 18, 2009. Taiwan's top China policy maker said on Wednesday that the island government hoped to sign a broad free trade agreement-like deal with China when its top negotiators next meet in early 2010.

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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (C) shakes hands with Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo (L) as US Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman (3rd R) and US Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs Kurt Campbell (5th R) look on during a breakfast meeting held at a hotel in Beijing on November 18, 2009. Clinton, is visiting China with US President Barack Obama.

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Former US president Jimmy Carter (L) holds a flower next to his wife Rosalynn during a welcoming ceremony as they inspect some of the 32 houses being built for poor families under the Habitat for Humanity campaign at Dong Xa village, in the northern province of Hai Duong on November 18, 2009. The volunteers for Habitat for Humanity will build or repair 166 homes in Cambodia, China, Laos, Thailand and Vietnam on the November 15-20 tour, the Atlanta-based Christian group said.

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A villager (top) watches over a surrounding wall former as US president Jimmy Carter (unseen) addresses volunteers at a ceremony held for 32 houses that are being built for poor families under the project Habitat for Humanity at Dong Xa village, northern province of Hai Duong on November 18, 2009. The Carters and nearly 3,000 volunteers from around the world are building and repairing some 166 homes in Thailand, Vietnam, China, Cambodia and Laos - all countries along the Mekong River.

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Villagers watch volunteers having their lunch next to a newly built house, under the project Habitat for Humanity at Dong Xa village, northern province of Hai Duong on November 18, 2009.

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In this photo taken Nov. 17, 2009, released by Habitat for Humanity International, action film star Jet Li works on as he helps build a house with Habitat for Humanity during the annual Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter Work Project in Chiang Mai, northern Thailand.

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QUXIAN COUNTY, CHINA - NOVEMBER 18: Customers pick pork at a market on November 18, 2009 in Quxian County of Sichuan Province, China. According to the national agricultural produce price system, vegetable and pork prices have increased, driven by a cold front which dropped temperatures by up to ten degrees centigrade, bringing this winter's first snowfall to most parts of southern China in recent days.

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Terracotta warriors are on display at the press preview of Terracotta Warriors: Guardians of China's First Emperor, exhibit at The National Geographic Museum in Washington November 17, 2009. The exhibit includes 100 sets of objects, with 15 terracotta figures, the greatest number of warriors ever to travel to the United States.

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St. Jude Medical, Inc. announced today that a 62-year-old man from Shenzhen, Guangdong province has become the first patient in China to be implanted with the Eon(TM) neurostimulator, a rechargeable device used to help manage chronic pain. The Eon neurostimulator, which is the first rechargeable spinal cord stimulator to be approved for use in China, was recently approved by the Chinese State Food and Drug Administration (SFDA) for the management of chronic low back pain and pain from back surgeries that have failed.

bd popeye · 11-18-2009

For the HONG KONG People!

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HONG KONG - NOVEMBER 18: A night time view of beautiful city of Hong Kong on November 18, 2009.

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Pro-democracy lawmaker Leung Kwok-hung (3rd R), nicknamed "long hair", throws a mock microwave oven at Hong Kong Chief Secretary Henry Tang during a protest during the announcement of proposed reforms inside the Legislative Council in Hong Kong November 18, 2009. The mock microwave oven symbolises Leung's belief that the Legislative Council are just reiterating (or reheating) the same political reforms they espoused in 2005. Hong Kong on Wednesday released a political reform blueprint for electoral arrangements in 2012 for its legislature and leader that will have a key bearing on the former British colony's progress towards universal suffrage in 2017.

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Hundreds of pro-democracy activists hold a picture of Hong Kong's Chief Executive Donald Tsang during a protest to demand universal suffrage in Hong Kong Wednesday, Nov. 18, 2009. Hong Kong will invite the public to comment on democratic reforms being proposed by the government, an official said Wednesday, in one of the few places on Chinese soil that enjoys Western-style elections

Finn McCool · 11-18-2009

It seems like this meeting was really a waste of time. Obama just went to China to have both sides tell each other that they're not ready to make any meaningful compromises on any of the issues between them. Obama really should have been more prepared to compromise (ie discontinue any support to the Dalai Lama or kill the newest Taiwan arms bill or something) to obtain Chinese support on Iran. Chinese support on an issue like that is worth something, not like Russia's.

pla101prc · 11-18-2009

came as a bit if surprise to a lot of investors that China didnt let RMB appreciate even a lil bit at the eve of obama's visit. in fact ministry of commerce said that RMB will not be subjected to exogenous influences when obama arrived. China took a pretty hardline gesture here,said no to pretty much all of America's demand.

looks like Xi Jinping further secured his status as the designated successor though, being the one to greet obama at the airport.

lcloo · 11-18-2009

Certain comments and actions from Obama's adminiatration in their first few months in office did some damage. The most redicules was that the comment that the financial crisis was caused by Chineses saving habit, then recently there is the tax on China made tyre etc.

In contrast, Bush looked more China friendly. and had taken much effect to mend with China.

Obama has to show more to do better than Bush in US-China affair. And I agreed that this trip is really a waste of time.

And why is that US presidents always put their hand on the shoulder of their counter-parts? In Asia, usually only the elders or the respected ones can do that to others, or between two people of good relationship. I think it is US president's way of saying "Hey, buddy I am your big brother".

pla101prc · 11-18-2009

US prez are generally friendlier to China in their second term for obvious reasons. it came earlier for bush cuz of 9/11. otherwise think about the plane crash in april 01.
if obama wins re-election he'd be considerably friendlier to China too.

RedMercury · 11-18-2009

The tires and steel pipe were a pre-emptive slap in the face. Usually, before an important visit, the Chinese leaders would do some little bit of wheel-greasing, like free a few dissidents. But the tires and steel pipe made that impossible.

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