Future Aircraft Carrier Thread; Designs, Ideas, Brainstorms

no_name

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Re: PLAN Carrier Construction

Looks like the guy who made the 150,000 ton carrier CG wants a pocket-battle-group-in-a-ship, in which a supa carrier is supposed to do everything itself.

Including getting into a gun fight judging from the guns it carries...maybe a bit of ramming - hey, the size is there. :rolleyes: :p
 
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This caption fully admits this is fan art..This is the most heavily armed carrier I've seen since a WWII Essex class.

虽然中国已经有了首艘航母辽宁舰,但这远远不能让军迷满意,这么大的国家,怎么能没有核航母呢?当然,要发展也不是一朝一夕就能完成的。所以,就先设想一下过过瘾吧!图为网友设想的中国海军华清级核航母。该航母满载排水量高达15万吨,吓人吧!(来源:兔吧 作者鹰之海洋)

Google translation;

Although China has had Liaoning ship's first aircraft carrier, but it is far from satisfied with military fans make such a big country, how can the nuclear aircraft carrier did not it? Of course, it takes time to develop can be done. So, have fun first imagine it! Pictured users envisioned Chinese naval Huaqing class nuclear aircraft carrier. The aircraft load displacement of up to 150,000 tons, scary! (Source: Eagle Marine rabbit right of the author)



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Looks like the guy who made the 150,000 ton carrier CG wants a pocket-battle-group-in-a-ship, in which a supa carrier is supposed to do everything itself.

Including getting into a gun fight judging from the guns it carries...maybe a bit of ramming - hey, the size is there. :rolleyes: :p

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This caption fully admits this is fan art..This is the most heavily armed carrier I've seen since a WWII Essex class.
Yes...we had a discussion about this fan art, and others over on the PLAN Carrier Construction thread. I just moved that entire discussion here as it was off topic on the other thread.

Those posts now exist below your own.

As to the carrier...land sakes...it will never "fly," hehehe.

A lot of the CIWS are positioned below and under the flight deck and would be ineffectoive against many anti-ship missiles. The organization of the deck is atrocious. Etc., etc.

...and they claim 150,000 tons.
 
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Jeff Head

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You gotta love that Grape Ape camo though =P
Yep...nice in a video game I suppose...one that isn't too realistic...but would not do you one iota of good in the real world. Unless they are also space craft and can go into some distant planetary environment that has roiling clouds of purple gases in its atmosphere.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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maybe the artist thinks that in the future there will be Smog layers from 6 inches above the ground to just short of the ISS.
Really though if the ship is impossible the Aircraft are beyond every thing is slab sided the heavy fighters look like Mig25 with clipped tails, the Choppers are Transverse rotors, the the AEW have no engines just props and no aerodynamics the light fighters look like they were flattened
 
that may depend on how disconnected they are. I mean if its just a commander in a office on the ship commanding in a risk style board commanding at the strategic and the machines operating at the tactical level then its possible that the distinction between them and those they are acting against will be so great as to produce such a limited number of cases. And if its robot on robot battle virtually null.

I just realized one thing (which has been posted many time before, I guess) when looking at:
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(it comes from the NAVAIR Facebook profile I check :)
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) and the composition of that photography points to: THERE WILL BE "FLYING" ACES OF FUTURE AIR CONFLICTS. TerraN_EmpirE?
 

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THERE WILL BE "FLYING" ACES OF FUTURE AIR CONFLICTS. TerraN_EmpirE?
Well, that aircraft is a RQ-4A Broad Area Maritime Surveillance Demonstrator. The program has been so successful, that the Navy has used the actual demonstrators for several years now in real world missions. The concept has been so perfected that the US Navy is now going to order several dozen of them and have them up continuously so a wide area surveillance network can be established for other US Navy assets, like the P-8A Poseidons, etc.

However, those types of aircraft will never be "Aces."

It is doubtful that in the forseeable future, unmanned "fighters" will be developed that can hope to compete with manned fighters. While some of the patrol aircraft may become aces by shooting down unarmed, or non air-to-air combat aircraft, they will certainly not become "Aces" based on besting manned aircraft that are specifically sent up to hunt and kill them.

I believe that is what TerraN_Empire's example is showing us.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I wonder one day in the distant future will whole carrier battle groups be automated to the point where only the largest ships in the formations are manned and even then just act to command the operations not actually operate? Drone destroyers, drone frigates, drone subs, drone fighters on the deck maintained by robots that fuel, arm, repair and maintain. Perhaps even terminator style infantry deployed from drone amphibious assault ships and transports using drone air assault craft to land on shore and secure a beachhead for operations ranging from humanitarian assistance to combat.
its kinda scary to think of. A wholly robotic armed forces, where in troops are manufactured not trained and know no fear of blood shed or horror of war. No conscience to prevent certain actions, no regrets to keep body counts to a minimum. If a assault seems to have been stymied just load up more robots.

I just realized one thing (which has been posted many time before, I guess) when looking at:
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(it comes from the NAVAIR Facebook profile I check :)
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) and the composition of that photography points to: THERE WILL BE "FLYING" ACES OF FUTURE AIR CONFLICTS. TerraN_EmpirE?

Well, that aircraft is a RQ-4A Broad Area Maritime Surveillance Demonstrator. The program has been so successful, that the Navy has used the actual demonstrators for several years now in real world missions. The concept has been so perfected that the US Navy is now going to order several dozen of them and have them up continuously so a wide area surveillance network can be established for other US Navy assets, like the P-8A Poseidons, etc.

However, those types of aircraft will never be "Aces."

It is doubtful that in the forseeable future, unmanned "fighters" will be developed that can hope to compete with manned fighters. While some of the patrol aircraft may become aces by shooting down unarmed, or non air-to-air combat aircraft, they will certainly not become "Aces" based on besting manned aircraft that are specifically sent up to hunt and kill them.

I believe that is what TerraN_Empire's example is showing us.

I did say Distant future, I was thinking about well beyond my lifespan. Last days of the last ford class carrier at least.
in order to get to that day when nations go into Robot wars, one of the first issues is electronic warfare and cyber warfare.
electronic warfare as in EMP is not as big a issue as some like to make it out to be. The US and many other countries have hardened so called "Rad Chips" these are Chips that are shielded from the impact of both artificial and natural electromagnetic interference.
they are commonly used in space and military services and are kept under special restrictions in terms of export although accessible for civilian domestic markets. In Fact not to long ago there was a report of a individual caught in a sting operation who was buying such shops from a American manufacturer, removing them from there protective containers and then smuggling them abroad. The chips having been removed from there containers are damaged by the way. Its believed he was trying to send his handlers the chips so that they could analyze there construction for reverse engineering.

electronic jamming however and Cyber warfare are issues. As Drones are reliant on there sensors impute and as the RQ170 proved that can be spoofed. A modern manned fighter could also be hacked but the pilot being onboard allows a additional check, its likely that one option if not present now will be in the future will be the ability to disable data links on manned aircraft a sort of autistic mode that would allow the fighter pilot to override any alien interface into the crafts main computer.
this is not a option in drones however as Drones are drones they are totally dependent on there computer systems as their only brain. This limitation will in my opinion keep pilots in the cockpit for sometime to come particularly if technologically sophisticated nations engage in conflicts.

as time goes by perhaps more secure data distribution methods will be developed that will one day allow layers of insulation from external influence in unmanned systems. And if so the perhaps my brainstorm of a unmanned armed forces where Enders game is played out in command carriers will become a reality but I am betting every member of this forum will have met there maker by then.

till then the only Aces I see are manned unless, they create a Hellfire Ace ( Kill three Confirmed hvt with hellfire missiles)
 
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Guys I'm sorry, my latest post could've been more clear: in the sentence THERE WILL BE "FLYING" ACES OF FUTURE AIR CONFLICTS. I referred to human operators (that's why I put quotation marks around FLYING as those operators will probably sit in some top-secret silo, clicking twenty times faster than I can :) and won't be pilots of any actual airplane, only if flying was their hobby or something). I mean there will be differences in the performance of respective operators, despite very careful selection procedure etc., don't you think?
 
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