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Han Videos (e.g. China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore)

Martian — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 09:54:31 GMT

Taiwan Lantern Festival in HD

Please make sure to select 720p in the bottom right-hand corner. It is far clearer than 480p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muF3En3lfPU

battle of Menglianggu campaign

maozedong — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:57:51 GMT

Menglianggu Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When I was young, in China, I have seen the movie< The Red Sun>, film about battle of Menglianggu campaign,I was deep impression.
Menglianggu battle during the chinese civil war in may,1947. Chen Yi, Su Yu command conducted PLA East China Field Army in Shandong for a large-scale warfare, the combination of significant positional warfare and campaign warfare. PLA East China Field Army achieved victory in the Battle, the Nationalist Army 74 division was completely eliminated. The campaign, created in the enemy's heavily-intensive times of the situation, the central division line from enemy positions, surrounded destroy enemy attackers example, is to break the focus of the Nationalist army offensive against CCP areas of Shandong and change the war situation in East China, after the battle,Chen Yi said that the battle as "take enemy chief's head in millions of enemy military."
Recently, I read the drama < The Red Sun>, which is a few years ago produced the TV series, here are some clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soDWDqB8mDU

journalist visits battle field of Menglianggu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRADx...eature=related

Returning Turtles

SampanViking — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:35:27 GMT

There seem to be a ever greater number of young Chinese; born and raised in the West; that are keen to return to China and to explore opportunity and a permanent future in the country.

Such people are called "Returning Sea Turtles" or just "Returning Turtles" and this process; fuelled by double digit growth in the PRC and relative stagnation in the West, seems only likely to accelerate.

Are any of you guys thinking about doing this or have you actually done it? If so what are the problems and obstacles you have or worry about encountering?

Is it just a dream for you or a plan you want to turn to reality?

I am very interested in hearing what you think or have experienced.

our army

Student0001 — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:37:59 GMT

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PLA in Pakistan

bingo — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:34:32 GMT

Seen on New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/op...dharrison.html

China's Discreet Hold on Pakistan's Northern BorderlandsBy SELIG S. HARRISON

While the world focuses on the flood-ravaged Indus River valley, a quiet geopolitical crisis is unfolding in the Himalayan borderlands of northern Pakistan, where Islamabad is handing over de facto control of the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan region in the northwest corner of disputed Kashmir to China.

The entire Pakistan-occupied western portion of Kashmir stretching from Gilgit in the north to Azad (Free) Kashmir in the south is closed to the world, in contrast to the media access that India permits in the eastern part, where it is combating a Pakistan-backed insurgency. But reports from a variety of foreign intelligence sources, Pakistani journalists and Pakistani human rights workers reveal two important new developments in Gilgit-Baltistan: a simmering rebellion against Pakistani rule and the influx of an estimated 7,000 to 11,000 soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army.
China wants a grip on the region to assure unfettered road and rail access to the Gulf through Pakistan. It takes 16 to 25 days for Chinese oil tankers to reach the Gulf. When high-speed rail and road links through Gilgit and Baltistan are completed, China will be able to transport cargo from Eastern China to the new Chinese-built Pakistani naval bases at Gwadar, Pasni and Ormara, just east of the Gulf, within 48 hours.

Many of the P.L.A. soldiers entering Gilgit-Baltistan are expected to work on the railroad. Some are extending the Karakoram Highway, built to link China’s Sinkiang Province with Pakistan. Others are working on dams, expressways and other projects.

Mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations where Pakistanis are barred. Tunnels would be necessary for a projected gas pipeline from Iran to China that would cross the Himalayas through Gilgit. But they could also be used for missile storage sites.

Until recently, the P.L.A. construction crews lived in temporary encampments and went home after completing their assignments. Now they are building big residential enclaves clearly designed for a long-term presence.

What is happening in the region matters to Washington for two reasons. Coupled with its support for the Taliban, Islamabad’s collusion in facilitating China’s access to the Gulf makes clear that Pakistan is not a U.S. “ally.” Equally important, the nascent revolt in the Gilgit-Baltistan region is a reminder that Kashmiri demands for autonomy on both sides of the cease-fire line would have to be addressed in a settlement.

Media attention has exposed the repression of the insurgency in the Indian-ruled Kashmir Valley. But if reporters could get into the Gilgit-Baltistan region and Azad Kashmir, they would find widespread, brutally-suppressed local movements for democratic rights and regional autonomy.

When the British partitioned South Asia in 1947, the maharajah who ruled Kashmir, including Gilgit and Baltistan, acceded to India. This set off intermittent conflict that ended with Indian control of the Kashmir Valley, the establishment of Pakistan-sponsored Free Kashmir in western Kashmir, and Pakistan’s occupation of Gilgit and Baltistan, where Sunni jihadi groups allied with the Pakistan Army have systematically terrorized the local Shiite Muslims.

Gilgit and Baltistan are in effect under military rule. Democratic activists there want a legislature and other institutions without restrictions like the ones imposed on Free Kashmir, where the elected legislature controls only 4 out of 56 subjects covered in the state constitution. The rest are under the jurisdiction of a “Kashmir Council” appointed by the president of Pakistan.

India gives more power to the state government in Srinagar; elections there are widely regarded as fair, and open discussion of demands for autonomy is permitted. But the Pakistan-abetted insurgency in the Kashmir Valley has added to tensions between Indian occupation forces and an assertive population seeking greater of local autonomy.

The United States is uniquely situated to play a moderating role in Kashmir, given its growing economic and military ties with India and Pakistan’s aid dependence on Washington. Such a role should be limited to quiet diplomacy. Washington should press New Delhi to resume autonomy negotiations with Kashmiri separatists. Success would put pressure on Islamabad for comparable concessions in Free Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan. In Pakistan, Washington should focus on getting Islamabad to stop aiding the insurgency in the Kashmir Valley and to give New Delhi a formal commitment that it will not annex Gilgit and Baltistan.

Precisely because the Gilgit-Baltistan region is so important to China, the United States, India and Pakistan should work together to make sure that it is not overwhelmed, like Tibet, by the Chinese behemoth.

Selig S. Harrison is director of the Asia Program at the Center for International Policy and a former South Asia bureau chief of The Washington Post.

Russia refuse to cancel cruise missile sale to Syria

Vlad Plasmius — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:35:15 GMT

Quote:

Despite Israel's objections, Russia will not cancel its sale of advanced missiles to Syria, the Kremlin announced on Sunday.

Haaretz reported on Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had asked his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to cancel the sale of long-range surface-to-sea cruise missiles to the Syrian Army.

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The agreement in question is for P-800 Yakhont missiles, a highly accurate Russian weapon with a 300-kilometer range capable of carrying a warhead of up to 200 kilograms.

Source: Haaretz

If it is the Yakhont I can see why Israel would want this sale to fall through. Not a single surface ship in the Israeli Navy could be considered safe in a war if the Syrians get their hands on this.

Is this a fake new on J-11 or someone didn't know facts

ahho — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:03:45 GMT

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjlBg4ZZwE
can someone tell me if this is from russia. I always thought that China bought the license to produce and modify their su-27 and j-11

evangelical christian and the vietnam war

challenge — Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:30:56 GMT

historian of vietnam war claim that US evangelical in the south and catholic in the north play important factor in pushing US involvement in vietnam war.in there eye this is holy war against "godless commie". all of them was influence by single book published in mid-50's claiming the vietnamese catholic is being massacre some time crusifix in mass and how children being brain wash to hate christian.
later in 70's it turn to be hoax.fabricate by the CIA, can anyone know the author of book. his last name is Hood (but I am not sure)
fast forward to 2003 neo con laurie Mylroie claim she has evidence linking saddam to 9/11 attack,and that all al queda terrorist nothing more than iraqi sponsor terrorism,her claim was totally discredit by european and Us counter terrorism,peter bergen compare her allegation and lied to the suppose non existend persecution of vietnamese catholic.

Build your perfect medieval army!

solarz — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:48:33 GMT

Rules:

- You can use any pre-gunpowder technology. You must be able to back up any technology you use with reliable sources upon demand. You can't use technology that didn't exist before 1800 or that uses gunpowder. (i.e. no Titanium Armored knights, or medieval machine guns!)

- Your army is limited to 10,000 soldiers, and any combination of infantry, cavalry, and machinery.

- Your army must be designed to be as formidable and as versatile as possible, capable of fighting, and winning, in a variety of scenarios and terrains, and against a variety of opponents. Be sure to describe your strategy and tactics.

- You can assume that you are the commander of your army, and that your soldiers are all well-trained and well-disciplined.

Apartheid South African had 6 nukes ?

antiterror13 — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:29:27 GMT

one of my colleagues is from south Africa who moved to NZ just before the election in 1990's ... he claims he worked for high tech company in south Africa ... built missile, satellites, etc ... he said to me yesterday that Apartheid SA had 6 nukes .. he saw them himself, but they had dismantled them before Nelson Mandela came into power

It was a shock to me , I never knew SA ever had any nuke ... do you guys think it is the truth or he just talked bulll***sh***

China-made manned submersible reaches 3,759 meters beneath waves

maozedong — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:35:24 GMT

china- made manned submersible "Jiaolong" catching a sample of deep sea's living beings during one dive in the South China Sea in July of 2010. A China-made manned submersible, dubbed "Jiaolong" and designed to dive to a depth of 7,000 meters, had successfully reached 3,759 meters beneath the waves during a manned test, the Ministry of Science and Technology and the State Oceanic Administration (SOA) of China announced Thursday. It made China the fifth country, following the United States, France, Russia and Japan, to have the technologies for a manned dive to more than 3,500 meters below sea level-xinhua news.
we can see the photos and video below for this news.

China-made manned submersible reaches 3,759 meters beneath waves

Chinese submersible dives 3,700 meters CCTV News - CNTV English

China's Aerospace industry

Asymptote — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:58:44 GMT

I was just thinking from the discussion of another thread :

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I think everyone is too optimistic about China's capability in making aircraft. First, the most crucial part of an aircraft is its engine and China still have problem with WS-10A. It is not even mounted on an aircraft flying around (integrated with airframe and other systems) to find out exactly what shortcomings it has, under aerial/real flying condition.

Secondly, in my humble opinion, China only finished digesting the lessons learned in 3rd Generation fighters. The last REAL Chinese designed aircraft is the
Shenyang J-8. And I am pretty sure CAC is still digesting the lesson learned in J-10, which will take atleast a decade or more. It will then be able to do more variants of 4th Generation class fighters (similar to American's F-16, F-15, F-18) with updated improvement in tech, but I think it is still too far of a reach for China to even start 5th Generation Fighters (maybe not until 2025 or later). Seriously, it took the most high tech country in the world, the USA almost 25 YEARS to finally fielded the F-22; the Russians took similar time frame (including several failed attempts - Mikoyan Project 1.44, LFI, MFI, etc) before it finally had its first maiden flight today. And Russian made NUMEROUS 4th/4.5 generation test beds (Mig-35, Su-30, Su-35, Su-37, Su-47) and prototypes before its tech mature enough to develop this 5th gen fighter.

So, my guess is, China will continue to make variants and update of J-10 for the next 20-25 years (like the J-7 with its 48 variants), and it will finally have the techno-infrastructure and knowledge base to develop its own 5th gen fighter. Even if for some miracle that CAC push out a "5th gen" fighter for test flight in the next few years, I would probably expect it to fail miserably (Much like the MFI/Mig 1.44).

I will just quote what I say before, which I believe is what the current Chinese Aviation industry is heading, and capable of.

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From what I have read so far, China does not have the capability to develop 5th generation fighter. It is still busy digesting the lessons learned in 3rd generation (eg. J-7, J-8, and HAIG L-15) and 4th generation (J-10) fighter design. It is still upgrading and improving the J-8 and touting it because that's what it is most capable of currently. The next 10 years will probably see a lot of improvments to the J-10 (J-10 II, J-10 III?? like the J-8 naming series?) as it start to learn and work out all the flaws and discover new ideas for it, it is until then, that China will finally be able to get on with J-XX series of fighter. A look at other aviation development like the American with F-14, F15, F16, F18 series can tell you it took american decades for them to digest and learn and work out various flaws in the design (various incremental improvments eg. F-14 A~D, F-16 A~D (various blocks), .....F-15 A~E, F-18 A-F... etc etc), and finally matured and move on to the next generation fighters (with ground work on various experimental design, and bombers like F-117, B-2). Same can be said with the Russians, with their Su-30 Series (Su-30, Su-33, Su-35, Su-37) and Mig-29 Series (Mig-29, Mig-35... etc), although Russian started design of next generation fighter a decade ago (Mikoyan Project 1.44), but it was premature effort in my opinion, it did not have the knowledge base and technological infrastructure, and finance to do it. But right now, I think Russian finally can move on, there isn't anything much to improve on the Su-30 or Mig-29 series, unless they move on to a new airframe or powerplant.

Now, what kind of aircrafts are China developing and producing today??

The latest focus is still improving J-8, a 2nd/3rd generation fighter that's 40+ years old (and 50+ years old from western standard).

The latest export to Pakistan the JF-17 / FC-1 is at best a 4th generation fighter in the same class as F-16, but more likely 3rd generation fighter in the same class as Northrop F-5...

And China is still developing the J-11B!!

It is plenty obvious to every logical/sensible observer to come to the conclusion - China is still technologically/infrastructurally/institutionally far behind the west and Russia by atleast 30+ YEARS in aviation (in the space arena? 50+ years).

I will say it again, at the most optimistic projection - China will have 5th generation fighter by 2030 or later. The AVIC will continue its development at a snail pace - "polishing" and SUPERFICIALLY IMPROVING the J-10, J-11B (probably putting DSI and other superficial crap that actually decrease the performance) until its finally "on par" with the original design they were cloning/"inspired" from (J-10 : F-16/IAI Lavi/Eurofighter Typhoon; J-11B: Su-27/Su-30/Su-35/Su-37).

I am willing to bet AVIC doesn't even have a blueprint of "5th generation" fighter on their table even right now - and it won't until 2020 or later. It will have to wait until it digested the lesson from 3rd/4th generation, and learn from video and abroad the Russian/American 5th generation before it can even try to attempt on its own.

To Rhino123 : This is what I am asking you :
Now, what kind of aircrafts are China developing and producing today??

PLA balloon borne surveillance radar or aerostad radar

challenge — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:37:19 GMT

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the concept is very similiar to lockheed martin L-88balloon borne radar.

9 Hong Kong tourist dead in Manila hostage shootout

rhino123 — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:43:13 GMT

read this news in the paper on monday. Obviously a derange ex-police hijack a tour bus in Philipines full of tourists. and the inability of the SWAT team in Philipines to handle this kind of situation, resulting in eight hostages killed and one died in hospital yesterday (somewhere around mid-night, as of today's newpaper in SIngapore.).

The gist of the report is shown here,

Philippines Bus Hostages: At Least 7 Chinese Tourists Killed in Filipino Bus Hostage Shootout - KTLA

From reading this news, I am shock that anyone calling themselves special forces could be this untrained... and the way they handle the case left me speechless.

From some of the footage shown in news, it seemed that the hostage taker had reveal himself a couple of time... so where is the snipers? Plus the hostage taker could actually witness everything that is happening outside the bus, even when the police are trying to pry open the door... so where is the element of surprise?

Any thoughts?

Passenger plane crashes in NE China, at lea

maozedong — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:02:45 GMT

After eight Hong Kong chinese tourists were killed in a tragic hostage crisis in Philippine, which ended Monday in bloodshed, A tragedy happen again, there was a passenger plane crashes in NE China, at least 43 dead:

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HARBIN, Aug. 25 (Xinhua) -- A passenger plane with 96 people on board crashed during landing at a forests-surrounded airport in northeast China's Heilongjiang Province amid thick fog late Tuesday.

By 3 a.m. Wednesday, at least 43 people were confirmed dead while the remaining 53 have been rescued and sent to hospitals, said Hua Jingwei, a top publicity official in Yichun City where the plane crashed.

Wang Xuemei, the city's vice mayor overseeing the rescue efforts, said most of the hospitalized suffered broken bones.

But it is not immediately known how many are in critical conditions.

The ERJ-190 jet, manufactured by the Brazilian aerospace conglomerate Embraer with maximum passenger capacity of 108, crashed near the runaway of Lindu airport of Yichun at 9:36 p.m. Tuesday, some 40 minutes after it took off from the provincial capital Harbin.

Ninety-one passengers, including five children, and five crew members boarded the plane, sources with the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) said.

There is no official account of what happened during the landing and the investigation into the cause of the crash has not yet concluded.

Work crews are continuing to search the black box in the wreckage.

Hua, head of the publicity department of the Yichun city committee of the Communist Party of China, said the jet broke into two pieces approaching the runway. Some passengers were thrown out of the cabin before the broken jet crashed to the ground and engulfed in blaze.

Witnesses said a huge blaze enveloped the wreckage and the flames reddened the surrounding forests. The blaze had been put out before dawn Wednesday.

Some said the airport, nestled in a thickly-forested valley, is not able to accommodate landing flights during the night.

Local aviation officials declined to be interviewed while a team of CAAC officials and technicians left Beijing for Yichun to participate in the rescue and investigation.

The tragedy also prompted Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang to lead a team of transportation, health, work safety, and security officials to Yichun overnight.

Lindu Airport is located in a forest some 9 kilometers away from downtown Yichun, a city with about 1 million population.

Henan Airlines launched the Yichun-Harbin service one year ago and operated flights by ERJ-190 jets three times a week.

The carrier, based a central China province with the same name, was previously known as Kunpeng Airlines and was only renamed Henan Airliens last year. It is run by the Shenzhen-based Shenzhen Airlines.

Passenger plane crashes in NE China, at least 43 dead