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Gollevainen

nice article...hope it will advocate even futher people to the 'grand branch' of artillery

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sumdud

Hmm, equipment might not be about ergonomics, but speed and utility. Having a belt or jacket beats having separate items, and while they aren't comfortable, I am sure they are design to have things fly into your face when you drop for cover or run, right?

Any picture of a military boot?

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RedMercury

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2005/11/1164221

PLA has traditionally been artillery-happy. After all, it is the god of war...

Shulin Jiang

Yes, the Chinese soilders are not as well equibed as the Americans in Irap. But they American soilders in Iraq are the best troops of America, as oridnariy US infantry, they are not that much better.

Also, China spend most of its money on building strong Navy, and Air force, due to modern warfare.

isthvan

Sorry but US Army didn't deploy only front line troops in Iraq. for example there were times were up to 40% of troops deployed were National Guard units and they aren't in no way "best troops"...

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Mr_C

Friend, u r just making urself sound silly.
But on the other hand, does anyone know if the US issued some better eqiupment to the soldiers who were deployed in Iraq? Because in Australia, they issue better stuff to those who r going on a deployment.

The_Zergling

I'm not sure if it's any better than those the equipment for those that remain in safe territory, but there have been constant complaints from (US) soldiers on the ground regarding insufficient armor for their vehicles and what not.

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ahho

i think the article was a bit off on the minor stuff, like the 5 main weapon of battle and some other stuff

yifyif

those people were PAP you can tell from the badges on their hat. I know people from the PAP. They're our drivers from time to time

oh i got those bags, they're pretty sweet i must say

the people's armed police is a paramilitray branch of chinese military. it's different from SWAT. the PAP usually handle very dangerous situations, like dealing with multiple armed suspects. i believe the chinese version of the SWAT it's call thed PAP's special police

im pretty sure the PAP are involved with boarder guard duties as well.

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hallo84

Has anyone checked that even the US army could not afford to equipe all their troops with vests?

In the opening days of the War in Iraq lots of troops were not issued vests. Leading to soldiers having to purchase their own. There was public outcry documented already.

So to assume that PLA would have enough funds to equipe all 2 million active troops upto standards in such a short time period is quite unreasonable.

In training vests are normally not issued nor boots but the cotton shoes is actually more confotable than the military boots. If and when deployed then we'd expect these troops to be issued the black boots we have seen in current military exercisese.

LiLaZnMaGiCsCt

Yeah, actually, the US Army in Iraq doesn't really wear vests or helmets either. Only when they're entering hostile terroritories. Though, even wearing a vest, when shot at by insurgents, the bullets still go through the vests. So it doesn't make a difference. Maybe it'll stop a pistol, but when there's plenty of Iraqi's with rifles...

isthvan

And your source of information is? For example it is true that interceptor vest by it self will provide only protection against 9mm bullets but you forgot to mention that with the front and back SAPI ceramic plates provide protection against 7.62mm bullets as well...
And it is quite normal that you wear vest only when you are on mission... Did you ever wear that thing? Wearing that shit 24/7 is quite out of question...

Also all US troops in theater of operations are equipped whit vests and all vests have SAPI plates...

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LiLaZnMaGiCsCt

If they had those better equipment like bomb resistant hmmwv's, then US troops wouldnt be alwys getting killed by road side bombs.

I have a brother serving the Army in Iraq. He tells me. He's in the Assault Teams, and he tells me how hard and what so scary about being in the battlefield when most of the time he isn't equipped with armor.

isthvan

Well depending of amount of explosives IED is able to knock down M1. No matter how good HUMMVE is armored it will not be able to withstand that...

Sorry but I don’t quite understand…

Are we talking about patrols and raids conducted without body armor and helmets or we are talking about being in the base without body armor (and being scared of mortar attack)?

Is he issued whit body armor and he chooses not to wear it while of duty or they have body armor for troops that are on duty while others don’t have any?

I jousts don’t understand what you mean and some of it joust doesn’t sound like things I heard from some other people…

I’m quite interested in this subject so I would be grateful if you could clarify this for me…

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LiLaZnMaGiCsCt

First of all, these road side bombs are by organizations with a tight budget. I don't necessarily think Iran should be accused of sponsoring the terrorists. These insurgents don't have enough money to get a HE bomb that is enough to destroy a heavily armored HMMWV. After all, HMMWV's considered state of the art to the terrorists.

Second, are you in the army or were you even ever in the American Army? You say that all soldiers serving America are equipped with body armor and helmet, but have you ever been in the battlefield without one?

My brother tells me that most of the time, where the zone is US-friendly most of the soldiers that are stationed in those areas are unprotected by armor. He says only the troops going into hostile territories have the option to wear it, and the smart decision is obvious.

However, even if it's US-friendly zone, doesn't mean it's free from insurgency and roadside bombs. It just tells the soldiers that the Assault teams have moved through the area and is already trying to expand it elsewhere. This is where soldiers are hit by roadside bombs and militia attacks: In the US-friendly zone.

The hostile areas, however, are places like Haifa or once Fahlujah. These places are where insurgents are still coming in and out on US assault teams. On the news, they only report roadside bombs for example Baghdad, capital and "US-friendly zone" of Iraq.

Do you wonder why militia attacks on US forces are killing American soldiers? Because when they are in US-friendly zone, they have no armor.