Highlights of President Hu Jin Tao's inspection of PLA HK Garrison, 29-06-2012

Originally Posted by MwRYum

While you got the "small" part right, but on HK Island - if not the whole HK territory - we use very few bridges, we mostly got overpass instead; if you talk about physical link between HK Island and the main landmass, there're only 3 cross-harbor tunnels, all you need is to send in bomb trucks to detonate inside the tunnels, you might not be able to collapse the tunnels but the tunnels will be effectively out of commission for a long time.

Thanks for the info on the underpass thing, good to know.

Although I doubt the people China is looking to defend HK from are all that much into suicide bombs and 70 virgins in the afterlife thing.

But still, tunnels need entrances, and modern bombs/missiles could quite easily fly through them and detonate inside the tunnels for similar effect to your truck bomb suggestions.

Originally Posted by plawolf

Although I doubt the people China is looking to defend HK from are all that much into suicide bombs and 70 virgins in the afterlife thing.

But still, tunnels need entrances, and modern bombs/missiles could quite easily fly through them and detonate inside the tunnels for similar effect to your truck bomb suggestions.

While you'd have a hard time to find people would laid down their lives for Allah in HK, but if the "pro-democrat" media outlets still keep feeding the populace more crap (face it, sex and anti-government drive up sells more in HK), some day we might have a young man do more than just wearing Che's t-shirt but practice Che's deeds instead.

And you seriously need to check out the google map - with terrain mode on - to see what kind of terrains of the cross-harbour tunnels are. When you figure in they're quite congested during daytime, typically with plenty double-decker buses running through them, fly that thing inside you'd need the flight computer with SKYNET's AI prowess. But, you could seal off the tunnels just as well by collapse the entrances at just one end then crater the other end, with bomblets scatter all over the place to further delay repair effort.

The only time HQ9 deployed close to HK was in Shenzhen during the Universiade.

Originally Posted by lostsoul

Anyone have a breakdown of the entire PLA Garrison in HK?

The Hong Kong Garrison has the following components:

Hong Kong Brigade

had six battalions, of which 1 Bn equipped with ZSL93, 2 Bn with ZSL92B.

As reported by MwRYum, there have been a series of upgrades since 2010, including the formation of a special operations battalion, an armoured battalion, an engineer battalion and an air defence battalion.

In 2012 ZSL92 (ex 54 Bde Tibet) were acquired for 3 Bn. I suppose this is the armoured battalion referred to (though it should probably have been ”armoured infantry battalion”). The special operations battalion is probably one of the former infantry battalions.

The air defence battalion is evidently equipped with HQ-6D and LD-2000 (truck-mounted 730).

Hong Kong Helicopter Regiment, based at Shek Kong (where the parade for Hu JIntao took place), has
Z-8KH 6301, 6302, 6303, 6304
Z-9 6004, 6005, 6006, 6007, 6009, 6100, 6101, 6201, 6202, 6203, 6204, 6205, 6206, 6207

Hong Kong Ship Squadron is based at Stonecutters Island, with a further base at Shenzhen-Shekou
(22 30 41 N 113 51 46 E) and has

Type 037 II HOUJIAN class missile boats 770-774
Type 026H patrol boats 7357-7360
Type 074 YUHAI class landing ships 7593-7595

In each of the years 2012 and 2013, the squadron will acquires two Type 056 corvettes, starting with 596 HUIZHOU (plus 597-599?). I expect them to replace the HOUJIAN class.

Imagine if Hongkong was a country like Singapore. Thanks to China, HK get free protection (no tax to China), otherwise like Singapore spend $7.6B a year for defense

I always wondered why city countries do that. Being THAT small means almost every country around you could conquer you even if you had a large military due to geography disadvantage. In my opinion, forced military service seems kind of pointless as modern warfare doesn't rely on number of soldiers a country has.

Anyone care to offer a translation of the call and response between Hu and the Garrison Formations?

Originally Posted by Marco

Anyone care to offer a translation of the call and response between Hu and the Garrison Formations?

Hu: Hello Comrades
Soldier: Hello Mr President
Hu: Comrades are tired from working hard.
Soldier: Serving the people.

yeah... don't think too deep about it, just standard slogan.

Originally Posted by muddie

I always wondered why city countries do that. Being THAT small means almost every country around you could conquer you even if you had a large military due to geography disadvantage. In my opinion, forced military service seems kind of pointless as modern warfare doesn't rely on number of soldiers a country has.

That's a question I've been asking for a long time...

Fortunately for Singapore though, its under the protection of the US 7th fleets

Originally Posted by Xigwin

That's a question I've been asking for a long time...

Fortunately for Singapore though, its under the protection of the US 7th fleets

The main point is to make it "expensive" to invade, and a respectable armed forces will make the other side think real hard when they incline to bend you to their will. When you look back at Singapore's history you'd find her relationships with Malaysia and Indonesia ain't sunshine and bunnies for almost the whole length of its existence...the strength of SAF helps to keep exchanges between nations verbal, otherwise they'd have dared something like Iraq against Kuwait.

Having US backing is nice, but Singaporean saw first hand how "reliable" that can be - painful lessons in WW2 was never forgotten in Singapore.

Fortress Switzerland

Read this article, this is the best way to defend yourself from invasion no matter how small your country is.

Originally Posted by jackliu

Fortress Switzerland

Read this article, this is the best way to defend yourself from invasion no matter how small your country is.

Great read! However, I think the key point here is "small". The Swiss are able to implement their system precisely because they're small (and because they're sneaky, but that's another story ). The term "Fortress" is doubly accurate because a fortress cannot encompass a large area.

Originally Posted by solarz

Great read! However, I think the key point here is "small". The Swiss are able to implement their system precisely because they're small (and because they're sneaky, but that's another story ). The term "Fortress" is doubly accurate because a fortress cannot encompass a large area.

They are not just small, they are willing to destroy their own infrastructure if needed, that kind of commitment itself deters many would be invaders.

But the most important way is to arm every single citizen, make the invading army not just fight the military.

Originally Posted by jackliu

They are not just small, they are willing to destroy their own infrastructure if needed, that kind of commitment itself deters many would be invaders.

But the most important way is to arm every single citizen, make the invading army not just fight the military.

Then mass killing will occurs. Becos any civilian can be a militant. Then the bomber will bomb any infrastructure it seen.