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    chinese small arms thread

    we really need one of these. lets start it off with some of the newer updates by sinodefence

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/smal...ype03rifle.asp
    the type 03 rifle. it looks like a fire arm with much potential. does anyone have any more information regardign this rifle? sinodefence is rather sketchy. what was it an experiment for?

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/small_arms/jssmg.asp
    js 9mm submachine gun. pretty decent looking weapond, although i dont know how it would compare to the mp5. kinda liek a mini 95, and it may be just as contreversial as the 95 aswell.

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/rifle_95.asp
    the type 95 we all know and love.

    more to come later

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    all the things ive read on the type 95 have been really mixed, some say its good some say its terrible. i was wondering if anyone has fired the gun and if they can give some feedback.

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    well, i dont think anyone here has fired a real type 95. (ive fired a type 95 cap gun when i was in china, but thats a whole different story )

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/rifle_87.asp
    the type 87a. personally, i think its an exelent rifle, combining good old ak-47 relibility with moder polymers and a 5.8 mm round. its only in service with airbourne troops unfortunately. i think it should be in serivce instead of the 95

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/rifle_88.asp
    looks modern. any one have any more information regarding it? sinodefence is very breif.

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/smal...pe92pistol.asp
    chinas first really modern hangun. probably an equivalent of the barretta m9. i can see polymer usage, and norinco claims the 9mm round in this gun is even more powerful than the 9mm barretta round.

    a more detailed site on it:http://www.sinodefence.com/army/smal...pe92pistol.asp
    donfeng used to have a handgun page, but hes probbly reforming it now. ill post any updates.

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/smal...erglaregun.asp
    clearly a type 95 derivative...this time in laser blinder form. well wait for updares. i think the pap may use this as part of an anti-riot arsenal.

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/indi...grenade_91.asp
    gernade launcher, for both pla and pap units. i wonder if it can fire lapd style pepper round, bean bags, or plastic rounds.... maybe even the stink round!!

    more to come

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    Now, according to a video-game (Ghost Recon 2), aparently there is a derivitive of the Type 95 that is in an OICW-type weapon aparently called the T-95P. (Dont laugh, its the only information I got.) Any information on possible OICW-Type Programes (on the lines of the canned XM29 and the current FN2000)? Or am I being mislead here?

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Kampfwagen
    Now, according to a video-game (Ghost Recon 2), aparently there is a derivitive of the Type 95 that is in an OICW-type weapon aparently called the T-95P. (Dont laugh, its the only information I got.) Any information on possible OICW-Type Programes (on the lines of the canned XM29 and the current FN2000)? Or am I being mislead here?

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    The FN2000 is not canned that project is independent and functional. The XM29 is Frozen with only one derivative entering operation That being the XM25.
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    I know the FN2000 isint canned, I was only refering to the XM29. Forgive my grammar. And it seems unlikely as being very unlikely it will be introduced as the whole OICW weapons system any time soon, especialy with the supoused cancelation of the M8.
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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    That's weird, the type 63 rifle was dropped, and the type 64/67 silenced pistols are gone also with the type 84 minipistol.
    No page for the 50 case revolving magazine SMG either.

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    i've got a question, could type-03 be an continuation of type-87 with improvement
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    okay. 87 was a protype. it was never massive issued to the troops. the production number of 87 is much much less than 63. it was a protype to prove to the army small calibre WORKS. from thsi piont, there is no point to do any "continuation" of 87. and, in chinese military forum, we had people who used both 87, 81, 95, 03 to compare 87 and 03. and if we just look at them on the photo, they are TOTALLY different things. well i myself say 03 looks like SSG551( did i spell it right?). but they are not the same thing....
    i don't think 03 satisifies the army, and i don't think it's going to be issued.

    anyhow, just you know, 87 was not alone. there are many versions of 87. their purpose when out was to be in the parade and show we use rifles different from AK.

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    Now from what I understand, the type 81 proved it's self to be a fine assault rifle. Why are they replacing it with a weapon who's reviews have been at best a mixed bag?

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    the type 95 offers improved firepower and less weight over the 81. its basically a more modern design.

    i think the type 87a and 03 are the best for the pla. the 03 just came out, and may be undergoing eveluations. the 87a offers the same firepower and weight as the 95, but is more reliable and user friendly. the troops who used the 81 will probably find it easier to switch to a 87a than a 95.

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    Ah, Ala AK-47 to AK-74. But then again, I thought it was said that the Type 87 was just a prototype anyway to prove the 5.8 round can be utilized in a firearm and to prove it's efectiveness. I would really hate to be holding a Type 95 in a long-range engagement from the information this site suplies. IMHO, if I were an educated Chinese Solider, I would be wanting ether a type 81/87.

    Btw...Where are types 82 through 86?

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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Kampfwagen
    Ah, Ala AK-47 to AK-74. But then again, I thought it was said that the Type 87 was just a prototype anyway to prove the 5.8 round can be utilized in a firearm and to prove it's efectiveness. I would really hate to be holding a Type 95 in a long-range engagement from the information this site suplies. IMHO, if I were an educated Chinese Solider, I would be wanting ether a type 81/87.

    Btw...Where are types 82 through 86?
    oh, the old argue about 95 and 03. according to me 03 is stupid, it's like thes stupidest rifle PLA never designed. you guys are using the westen mind again. in china, soldiers fit into the weaponaries, not the weaponaries fit into the soldiers. infantry soldiers change with in a few years. and soldiers who started with 95 never had any problem with it. and people who used 81 claimed 95 is lighter and has a way better accuracy and small recoil force.

    i don't think 03 is going to be in service, it's just another smart aXX idea from some people.
    anyway. if people don't know, there are type 86, it's a bullpop version of Ak-47/type 56, designed to export. no one ever bought it. i think there are info about that on the site. and there WAS a type 82.it was the competitee with type 81. i think because 81 got a good name, "81", so it won the race. people say it's because 82 looks like 56 too much, but i think 81 82 look like each other....
    here are some photos of 82.
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    Re: chinese small arms thread

    Chinese rifles are classified by their year, so type 81 is from 1981. There's nothing between type 82 and 86 because there was no new rifle in those years.
    Type 82? Never heard of it.
    Choosing a rifle based on look? What the hel?
    and soldiers who started with 95 never had any problem with it. and people who used 81 claimed 95 is lighter and has a way better accuracy and small recoil force.
    ??? Really no problem? But what about the hisses and heat they get after shooting? And the handles?
    The accuracy and recoil is probably from the bullet. I doubt the type 95 would be liked for this if it used the good old immediate.
    Type 95 is definitely lighter with its polymer construction.
    But what about the type 87A and 03? wouldn't the type 87A or 03 be choosed?
    Now why is type 03 being built at all?

    Now I wonder about the new bullet, will it fragment and break on armor like the .223?, or go through with more velocity but less weight(punch).

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    Now dont think this is looks over quality. I am just as willing to accept a new rifle system as the next man, but all I am saying is that, from my POV I would rather pick up an 81 to a 95. But then again, this is my humble and personal opinion. The Soviet 7.62MM round is proven, the design of the 81 is proven, the accuracy, everything on that rifle is a proven fact. I would rather have the 'less accurate' system to some new peice of techno-age polymer if it does a better job.

    And as far as looks? The Type 81 looks like an old post-WW2 AR while the Type 95 looks nice and sleek, so personaly, it has nothing to do with looks.

    And of course, the 82 through 86 was sarcasam...Though I had heard of the 86 before.



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