This is a discussion on Chinese new armed vehicle "SX-1" for paratrooper within the Army forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; -------------- Seems it pretty weak. Has no armor at all!. And by the way, what that two barrels on the ...
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Seems it pretty weak. Has no armor at all!. And by the way, what that two barrels on the top for?
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It's a FAV (Fast Attack Vehicle).Originally Posted by aikea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Attack_Vehicle
It is more of a recon vehicle. Recon vehicles aren't meant to slug it out, they are to get in, and get out quickly to collect intel, and if detected, good speed and off-road capabilities is key to survival to get out with the intel.
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Dosen't look like it has enough wheel elevation to go over rough terrain, plus the lack of a sturdy roll bar is pretty frightening.
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The FAV is operated by the PLA Airbourne Corps. It replaced the BJ2020 Light Vehicle. Being a vehicle that can be air dropped by Y-8/Y-7 the vehicle must sacrifice some armour in order to make the vehicle lighter. The vehicle is meant to be simple simple in maintenance and logistics. FAV is faster, lighter, more payload then the original Light vehicle in operation. Its speed and agility makes up for the lack of protection, as it is basically a scouting/patrol vehicle mean't for fast deployment. The FAV isn't designed for intensive fighting but more of a surveliance vehicle/light crew transport vehicle.
Last edited by Chengdu J-10; 02-22-2007 at 10:49 PM.
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How come it is using 0.5 browning?
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Looks like a M2HB replica (non-functioning), like the AT rockets. Just shows weapons placement.
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Probably a competitor that lost out to the FAV that we know of with 4 proper seats and rear engine.
I want Asia on my front porch and America as my backyard.
Disclaimer: By America, I meant the Continent. And yes, I know Asian homes have neither a backyard nor a porch in the American sense.
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looks like a beach buggy with guns...... if that ever enters service, it will be the most stupid and useless vehicle in the PLA inventory. i mean, look at its bright yellow boy-racer seats (i'm about to throw up)!! and who is going to operate the machine gun? that thing has about 1 cm of ground clearance and will probably get stuck on road bumps.
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hah
Cool
so far
I have never seen it
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LOL!
The SX-1 is the FAV from the PRC side in BF 2!
However, in real life I have grave doubts about its actual usefulness and survivability because as a FAV for the PLA's Airborne Divisions, it will only have one destination in mind for deployment: Taiwan.
The SX-1 looks so flimsy that I bet even a half-trained ROC infantryman with an M-16A2 can kill or severely wound any of the three PLA Paratroopers sitting in this plastic garbage can on wheels-the Republic of China Army certainly is no pushover-does this thing have any armour at all?
The average ROCA platoon is based on US Army lines and would expect out of a squad to have at least 8 M-16A2/A4 rifles, 1 M249 SAW and 1 Anti Armour weapon such as Milan, Javelin or Dragon-all would toast our garbage can
Seriously, the PLA general that advocated this thing into PLA service should be shot for incompetence.
if you really want something to recon, do what the SAS and British Army have been doing for half a century and get somebody on a motorcycle with a radio to scout ahead. At least you won't be losing three men in one go.
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hongkongpride what happened to your prc pride?
Whatever the shortcoming, it carries more, and is safer than motorcycle?
Three crew is just right for this role. Is German motorcycle infantry useless and stupid, too?
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goldenpanda,
while the sx-1 does carry more people (3) than a motorcycle (1), it is a total waste of money and people.
As I said, one ROC infantryman with an M-16A2 rifle or one grenade could kill the whole crew of the sx-1 because of the total lack of armour.
German or British motorcycle RECON infantry operate with one man with a radio-so he can warn his comrades behind him-as I said, even if he is shot or killed-it is better than losing all three men in one go.
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You're not looking at the different doctrine. SAS are SPECIAL OPS, that means they run around almost like guerillas. This SX-1 is for PARATROOPERS. They operate in the open against concentrated enemies, in a highly mobile fashion. You're not a one man crew trying to find a nuclear reactor to blow up. You need to make light contact with enemy to reveal information. They are TACTICAL RECON's not 007, ok?
One to drive, one to suppress, one to scout and command. Three is just right.
Ground clearance is just fine. As good as HUMVEE for the wheel size. The wheels are nice and balloony. We're not trying to drive over rocks. Never seen rocks in Taiwan.
Last edited by goldenpanda; 02-27-2007 at 06:23 AM.
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Don't lecture me about SOFs Goldenpanda-
Do you know anyhting about Airborne Forces Doctrine?
Airborne Forces/paratroops are light infantry (as in light, light infantry that do not carry much equipment because of flight weight!) that do NOT operate against concentrated forces!!!! If you have ever heard of Operation Market Garden in 1944-you will realise that Airborne forces are NEVER dropped near CONCENTRATED enemy forces because they will be easily annihilated very, very, very quickly.
AND when does a one-man crew blow up nuclear reactors?
For James Bond's sake stop watching 007 movies and start watching documentaries and actually attend SOF info days and ask REAL questions. One man motorcycle teams are not 007 wannabes-they are highly dedicated recon specialists who scout out the enemy and report back to the theatre commander. If you think light contact with the enemy is vital to RECON then why don't you paint bright red stars on all of your vehicles and start screaming on the radio just to let them know you're there?
"If you can see it then you can kill it"-US Military Maxim
"Remain Hidden and the Enemy will not know you are there"-common sense
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The point is, paratroopers need to HOLD GROUND, and fight conventional enemies.
special ops are like guerrillas, except wearing uniform. your one man crew bumping around on a bike is not going to SEE any concealed enemy, much less response to it.
Please don't refuse to see that.
All kinds of useful things to do with the vehicle. Supplies, heavy support, medivac (see those man size buckets?), and yes, reconnaissance. Think of an unarmored HUMVEE, but without the dead weight.
Last edited by goldenpanda; 02-27-2007 at 06:59 AM.
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