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Brain storm for the chinese SOF training

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    Brain storm for the chinese SOF training

    glad to be back, work have been hell......

    as we know chinese lack strickly speaking covert operation SOFs like the Delta boys, SEALs, and SAS. most SOFs in china is most like speacial detachment of military regions like the United states marine recons.

    Thinks as you are a newly elected chinese Lt. general to creat a secret, small, lethal chinese SOF unit under the drict order of comission of defence department. your funing is big, your source of choice is vast. Only a hand full of men in PLA know about this secret unit. the code for the unit will be "1st team RED EAGLE" you will have a limits of 4 years to create 2 squadrons of 64 men. you can select from ANY chinese PLA, PLAAF, PLAN units, Marine, chinese airborn, whatever...

    1.how do you select the men
    2. what are the selection crouse
    3. training and who will you appoint to train those men.
    4 and what ever you want to add.....

    let the fun beginn..........

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    I will gather the strongest. One can transform into water. The other has super-human strength. The third can transform into fire. The fourth has super sight and hearing. The fifth has a magical gourd that can contain anything. Then I transform into my level two cursed seal and defeat all enemies of the horde.

    That was fun.

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    lets keep an open mind here, what petty officer suggested is actually quite interesting. my recruits will come from a background of specialists such as demo, para, foreign languages, high- average to exceptional fitness levels and have served atleast 3 years in any of the other armed service branches.

    entry ofcourse is by selection only and even those who pass the rigorous fitness, weapons proficiency training and backgound checks may not be selected.

    needless to say, they will be equiped with the best the PLA can field but keeping in mind that there is only 128 men and heavy equipement will not be required as it will be provided by other service branches. Personal equipment will include: body armour, NVG, personal radio, gps, assault rifle/ smg of choice ( trying to put that delta feel into it) pony bottles ( for aquatic uses) and sidearms among other things.

    i would appoint special forces units/individuals who have competed in international exercises to train them as they would know what its like on the international level.

    thats all i can think of right now..=)

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    Re: Brain storm for the chinese SOF training

    Quote Originally Posted by petty officer1 View Post

    Thinks as you are a newly elected chinese Lt. general to creat a secret, small, lethal chinese SOF unit under the drict order of comission of defence department. your funing is big, your source of choice is vast. Only a hand full of men in PLA know about this secret unit. the code for the unit will be "1st team RED EAGLE" you will have a limits of 4 years to create 2 squadrons of 64 men. you can select from ANY chinese PLA, PLAAF, PLAN units, Marine, chinese airborn, whatever...
    I think this scenario is quite unlikely. If only a couple of people know of this organization, who is going to provide support arms? Helicopters, transports, etc.

    I think by developing world class SOF, I would also required independent support arms.

    Since China already have SOF units, although not like the ones fielded by most armies, I could save quite a lot of time by selecting from these units.

    However, first I must know what is the actual missions that these peoples are expected to undertake before I can list out what to train them on.

    I think that is all for now.

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    1.how do you select the men
    2. what are the selection crouse
    One I want a mix of city kids and country boys. The city kids will be familiar with technology and tinkering, the country boys will have feild craft skills. They must come from prosperous families (rural or urban), China still has enough of a food problem that only the upper echelons got the proper diet as kids to insure good physical size and brain development. Plus the upper crust has the loyalty to resist the temptations of the free world beucase they already enjoy many of the same privaleges.

    3. training and who will you appoint to train those men.
    The next year will be spent in intensive training to get them to think in the western manner and learning forgien languages. A special forces outfit filled with robots who need leadership is useless. The next year is indivual training in advanced skills and then a year to build unit cohesion. The final year is for unit demonstration to provide proof of concept.

    During the same time the officers need to be creating a detailed orbat and mission profile. There is nothing worse than line officers trying to use special forces as infantry. They assume the super soilders won't need the normal amount of support. This has happened many times in the military history of the US.

    The trainers would mostly have to be forgieners. Israelies, South Africans, French, and others who work on the western model but are outside of the Anglo block.

    4 and what ever you want to add.....
    Finally at the same time this force is being developed the units supporting subunits need to be created and trained helos, fixed wing, modified submarines for clandestine insertion. Weapons and equipment specialist and stockpiles and diplomatic covers to get them in and out of forgien countries.

    When all is said and done they need some real world missions to prove themselves to themselves and to the goverment. kidnapping dissedents from Taipei or Tokyo, assissnation of Free Tibet activist in New Delhi etc.

    Then once the unit is built and proven you unveil it to the world and let it get really bloody in the global war on Terror in places like Afghanistan. There it can kill jihadi's and suffer its own losses to bind itself together with blood. It will also be able to work along side NATO units and get pointers and tips by true masters of the craft.

    One problem the unit would have is that it would be 100% pure Asian. This would limit its theater of operations to Asian countries and Countires where large groups of Asians moving around would not be out of place.

    my .02
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    IMO the unit wouldn't have to be entirely asian. Theres always those few foreign elite soldiers who feel thy've been screwed over by their governments and seeking to get back at them, joining the Special forces of other coutries such as China's, Iran's etc would be a perfect place for them, although a closer eye must be kept on them.

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    You never ever trust a traitor, no matter why they turned coat, if they do it once they can do it again. While it may be possible to use them as trainers, the actual unit has to be 100% relaible and that means native born true beleivers only.

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    im not talking about traitors just pissed of former special forces dude. hypothetically speaking, your an elite soldier in say the SAS or Delta, and you're undertaking a high risk opperationg deep in foreign territory. Something goes wrong and you find yourself sperated from the rest of your squad and captured. your government denies any knowledge of the operation ( as would most governments to save face) and therefore it is assumed that you are acting alone and therefore a criminal and as such, is subjected to the laws of that country. Now understandably you'd feel pissed that you've sweat blood for your country only to have yout government screw you over by not helping you. You cut a deal with your captors show them the know-how of training and equipment in return you get a chance to "knock off" the civilian leadership, preparing for your return to your country...hows that sound?

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    That is a traitor, IMO. If you undertake covert ops in a foreign country, I think it's clear from the beginning that your country will deny to be involved in that.
    Maybe you should use every opportunity to get away, but then that one shouldn't talk about any secrecies.
    It should anyway be pretty clear that such a captive will dry to thwart your efforts whenever possible, therefore I wouldn't count on somebody like that to train main SOFs, his countries enemies.

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    lol you know how Chinese traditionally pick their most lethal soldiers? its kinda like the romans, put 200 of them in a ring, give them weapons, and have them kill each other. the 50 that are still in one piece in the end are selected lol.

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    Re: Brain storm for the chinese SOF training

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    1.how do you select the men
    When a elite team like you mentioned above is needed, traditionally Chinese generals would make up a such team from the best members of the existing speical forces from each MR and gather them together for selection. This has being almost everytime when a situation need such a elite group. I would do the same haha, plus they already have a small team directly organic to the general staff 2nd department....
    2. what are the selection crouse
    No offense...but the Chinese selection for such things really need some human rights in it.
    I would make it very brutal and intensive both physically and mentally and you would need to sign a paper before the training that give up your rights and that the military does not take blame for any permanent damage done(they do it for special force) and whoever comes out of it wins, and a test of loyality, courage and valor under the most life threatening enviroment will also be put out
    3. training and who will you appoint to train those men.
    Physically, I would just make it a bit harsher than the existing CPLA SF training as it is harsh enough.. But most of the focus would be put into teamwork between people as they not from the same unit and the use of high-tech equpiment and joint operations.
    4 and what ever you want to add.....
    Has to be the best existing special force member in terms of phyiscal, mental,intellgence and the use of modern high tech equpment. Also the soldier must to be ABSOLUTELY loyal and have a 100% clean background...
    P.S. they do have a unit like this that is directly organic to the general staff 2nd department supposely but it has been remain unknown. even a approx. location of the base is unknown...(heard its in the jungles but its just rumor lol)

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    1. I would select them based on their academic, intelligence, physical fitness, performance. Pretty much everything the western world has done. What I want to create is a Chinese team of SAS or Delta
    2. The selection course would be very similar to the SAS, Delta, and SEAL's selections and training. However extensive time will be spent in examining the personalities of the soldiers and how they operate.
    3. Extensive training in certain personality traits development, education(not resocialization), academic education, and team trainings. Many exercises would be regularly executed to increase their preparedness and their skills. Case studies of other SOF groups as well as handing in reports of analysis to develop further critical thinking of individuals and the team in assessment of other SOF as well as to learn from others' experience.
    Extensive field craft and many courses will be offered. Underwater Demolition, UW(unconventional warfare), CT, infiltration, undercover, HALO/HAHO, CQB, DA, forward recon, CTR (Close Target Recce) will be taught. International crosstraining will be attempted. Extensive training in marksmanship, field craft, physical fitness
    Language courses, psychology, interrogation, SERE,MOUT, terrain training, jungle training, mountain training, winter training, BCW training, and handling of vehicles, as well as some foreign weapons would be available. Some miiltary thinking, military science, and history would also be taught to enhance their intelligence.

    Most importantly the purpose is to train the group to be individual critical thinkers who can work independently and as a team. All the same time they will understand why they are serving their country. Of course most importantly would be the test of their loyalty.
    Decent intelligence is also important.
    They would be the new SAS/Delta of China. Not only that, they will be the future as they will be further organized into smaller regiments for some specific roles such as Naval, Airborne, Air force, Strategic, National/Domestic Security, CT, Army. They will become the instructors of the future elements as well. Not only so, they would be dispersed all over China to protect Chinese interests.

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    i hope you guys do know that every year (or once in a while) the Chinese special forces would hold a nation wide boot camp training that lasts prolly for a couple of months. its a congregation of a selected team of spec ops from every military region and the airbourne, the marines, as well as the national security department. i guess if the national security department sends ppl to that stuff then obviously their mission would include the covert operation stuff you guys were talkin about. also the Chinese navy has a small spec ops (prolly similar size as the SEALS), its the one they sent to the pirate hunting stuff. i guess they would be trained for the kind of covert operations you guys are talkin about here.

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    Re: Brain storm for the chinese SOF training

    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post

    One problem the unit would have is that it would be 100% pure Asian. This would limit its theater of operations to Asian countries and Countires where large groups of Asians moving around would not be out of place.

    my .02
    The problems of ethnicity in ones special forces would also apply to European countries as well. A bunch of Anglo Saxons stomping around the country side in Tibet or Xinjiang for example, would highly be out of place. Even if the group were made up of Western domiciled/raised Asians, instinct from the locals would tell them something's not right.
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    we do have a team under the some directly command, but there is little information about this unit

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