PLAAF Pictures Thread 2 [Archive] - China Defence Today Forum

tphuang

11-01-2005, 11:06 PM

fine:
JF-17
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20051102/images/12810702_2005110211290436401400.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20051102/images/12810702_2005110211290439430600.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20051102/images/12810702_2005110211290442130500.jpg

swimmerXC

11-01-2005, 11:11 PM

o shit have the wrong title, can one of the Mods can it to PLAAF Pic Thread 2? :D

...done....

MIGleader

11-02-2005, 03:57 PM

i cant see either of you guy's pictures.:mad:

In4ser

11-02-2005, 09:19 PM

I can see the first but not the rest

swimmerXC

11-04-2005, 05:09 PM

all you flanker lovers (including myself ) MKK, last pic is russian flanker and tanker during Peace Mission 2005
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1686/su30mkkd4tx.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4408/su30mkke9ii.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7200/su27ubk27ml.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1015/su27192fu.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1746/flankerrefuel6eo.jpg

swimmerXC

11-04-2005, 05:11 PM

H-6H, tanker?
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8548/h67jt.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4233/h6h1vd.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4791/h6ha7oz.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/386/tanker7ou.jpg

swimmerXC

11-04-2005, 05:17 PM

JH-7A
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5153/jh7ad9ua.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5948/jh7ab5zo.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4756/jh7ac8ey.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4862/jh7ae4pl.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5441/jh7af8hq.jpg

swimmerXC

11-04-2005, 05:20 PM

continue..... 1 is real, the rest are CGI
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3698/jh7ag4wj.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6839/jh7cge0ng.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2796/jh7cgf2er.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2367/jh7cgg3qg.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6638/jh7cgh2cd.jpg

tphuang

11-06-2005, 01:01 AM

Y-8 balance beam ew
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/971/y8diagram8gl.jpg

swimmerXC

11-06-2005, 02:05 PM

Hu inspecting engine, fighter timeline

swimmerXC

11-07-2005, 01:39 PM

hey, i got a question, you know the first and second picture of the flanker i posted (with the nose pointed at us) whats all "wire" sticking out from it (near the cockpit)...?

Lavi

11-07-2005, 01:56 PM

I'm no Flanker-expert, but it seems like pitot-tubes, they are used to retrive different data from the air, and are instrumental in determining the aircrafts speed. They probably could be some kind of antennas or arrays also, but I still think they are pitot tubes. Anyone who has any other opinions/facts?

swimmerXC

11-09-2005, 04:30 PM

thanks, just carious.. makes it look ugly kinda...
J-10A 01, J-10A 08, L-15, KJ-2000, H-6
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1811/j10013pq.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5197/j10082sd.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4332/l158ka.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3333/kj20006at.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2111/h6d5wg.jpg

MadMax

11-09-2005, 06:42 PM

yeah they are pitot tubes you can see the small holes in the tip

swimmerXC

11-13-2005, 09:15 PM

SU-30 MKK, J-11
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/922153/0/nouser_922/T1_-1_922153.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=922153)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/922155/0/nouser_922/T1_-1_922155.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=922155)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/922157/0/nouser_922/T1_-1_922157.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=922157)

tphuang

11-14-2005, 01:48 AM

another kanwa article, talked about the status of Mi-17 and Mi-171 and the possible launching of Z-10. It looks like low volume production will start in 2006.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5830/46223167276da31a0e8a2a8zm.jpg

supertran

11-14-2005, 08:14 AM

I dont know?

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/ChengDu_new_jet_fighter.jpg

Gollevainen

11-14-2005, 08:21 AM

I dont either, but it sure looks intresting...anyone care to translate that text part??

Although one cannot be 100% sure but it doesent look like BS, at least in its regular form were bored computer geegs try to fool around whit us, but an article posted pic that seems to be real. And like i have said before, I trust in some aspects to those who work on journalistic and And exept some level of truthfullness in their writings... (whic means that i dont buy it completely, but more likely over some teeneagers counterarguments posted on some internet board)

tphuang

11-14-2005, 01:10 PM

I can't really make out the words, but it says CAC has a new breakthrough. And apparently, that fighter is the new breakthrough.

Apparently, this is from PLA's newspaper according to the Chinese forum this is posted from.
This could be anything, no idea what this is.
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2218/4622140d4fb95c6a16bc365uv.jpg

If you look carefully, this article was posted on May 10th of this year.
http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/3387/44776196yd.jpg

AssassinsMace

11-14-2005, 01:22 PM

Holy Geezus! That looks awesome! I hope it's real! If it is, the world is going to sh*t in their pants even if it isn't on par with the top fighters.

In4ser

11-14-2005, 01:24 PM

could it be the twin engined j-10 ppl have been talking about...? please be real ^_^

Gollevainen

11-14-2005, 01:38 PM

Althoug it may look cool, it doesen't give you the right to post oneliners....if i spot one more "gee, its a real nice one..." type of oneliners, those will be deleted and wanrings will follow!!

But to the point. This new bigger and colourfull pic confirmed my doupts...it's a fake, a good one but still a fake. Just look at it more carefully (whitout those PLAAF eyeglasses) and you'll noticed it too. Also how could it be real? China has only now fielding an adequate fighter design wich could be mach for the rest of the world (still lacking almoust 15 years behind the developing speed of the west) after 30 years of it's indegenious fighter building programs...be realistic, i agree, i would love to see this or any other new chinese fighter project in the air, but as i said we need to be realistic in here.

Tough i could be wrong now....by all means prove that i am...but i don't think so,

...so we won't get fooled again? right?

adeptitus

11-14-2005, 01:47 PM

MIGleader

11-14-2005, 03:57 PM

If you look at the "newspaper" carefully, it appears that the picture was cut and paste into it - it still has the digital photo water mark (e-mail?) in lower left corner.

As for the photo itself, it's most likely fake. I'm sure everyone remember all the fake J-10 photos being passed around for years.

yup. it still has the 5537@163.com watermark from the computer image. so its likely a fake. if u compare the quality of the pic to others in the newspaper, youl notice it is indeed cG. should we email the guy and tell him to stop making fake pics?

T-MC-G

11-14-2005, 07:29 PM

What types of planes are these and what are they doing? Looks like re-fueling but a different technique? Can anyone tell me?

http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/7057/chineserefueling9pd.jpg

swimmerXC

11-14-2005, 07:42 PM

What types of planes are these and what are they doing? Looks like re-fueling but a different technique? Can anyone tell me?

http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/7057/chineserefueling9pd.jpg

hey T-MC-G welcome to SDF, watchout for the oneliner rule although in picture threads if your carious about something like this; it doesn't much hurt you ;)
But yeah to the point those are Russian Su-30 Flankers doing mid-air refueling during Peace Mission 2005 (Sino-Russo Wargames just August or July this year). They use the probe and drogue way, like the USN and the rest of the world (not USAF boom and receiver way). The Russians were just demostrating to the PLAAF the re-fueling capibalties of that IL-76 tanker, since China has Su-30MKK, Su-27SK, and J-11s and lack air-refueling planes..

T-MC-G

11-14-2005, 08:22 PM

Thanks swimmerXC!! Sorry about one lining on my first post. Well...slightly off-topic... I am writing a paper and preparing a briefing in one of my classes on the increasing force of various Air Forces to the USAF and respectfully so the chance for a reduction in USAF dominance. The PLAAF seemed to be the number one force so I was doing some research. Any more info or sources would be greatly appreciated!

tphuang

11-14-2005, 08:24 PM

yup. it still has the 5537@163.com watermark from the computer image. so its likely a fake. if u compare the quality of the pic to others in the newspaper, youl notice it is indeed cG. should we email the guy and tell him to stop making fake pics?
I didn't even notice that until you just mentionned. It was pretty fishy right from the start when the picture wasn't clear enough to show the text of the article.

btw, it's IL-78 Midas tankers, not IL-76.

MIGleader

11-15-2005, 03:55 PM

hey T-MC-G welcome to SDF, watchout for the oneliner rule although in picture threads if your carious about something like this; it doesn't much hurt you ;)
But yeah to the point those are Russian Su-30 Flankers doing mid-air refueling during Peace Mission 2005 (Sino-Russo Wargames just August or July this year). They use the probe and drogue way, like the USN and the rest of the world (not USAF boom and receiver way). The Russians were just demostrating to the PLAAF the re-fueling capibalties of that IL-76 tanker, since China has Su-30MKK, Su-27SK, and J-11s and lack air-refueling planes..

actually, i think they are chinese mkks fueling off of a russian il-787. russia doesnt operate su-30s. the same pic is on sinodefence, and it gives the explanation.

swimmerXC

11-15-2005, 10:45 PM

J-11, bunch of PLANAF planes, L-15 CGI
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/930345/0/nouser_930/T1_-1_930345.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=930345)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/930342/0/nouser_930/T1_-1_930342.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=930342)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/930341/0/nouser_930/T1_-1_930341.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=930341)

chinawhite

11-15-2005, 11:46 PM

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2218/4622140d4fb95c6a16bc365uv.jpg

Its fake. It might be a Su-27 modifled

heres a picture of the J-10C that people were talking about.
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/1232/post1011319965335nr.jpg

notic there the same plane

Regards,

chinawhite

WebMaster

11-15-2005, 11:47 PM

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=4334

tphuang

11-16-2005, 12:59 AM

not sure if this has been posted or not, but Y-8X:
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2369/y8xnov158hu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

swimmerXC

11-17-2005, 04:13 PM

JL-9,H-6,Spy Plane, J-7, helo...
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/937216/0/nouser_937/T1_-1_937216.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=937216)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/937215/0/nouser_937/T1_-1_937215.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=937215)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/937213/0/nouser_937/T1_-1_937213.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=937213)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/937211/0/nouser_937/T1_-1_937211.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=937211)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/937212/0/nouser_937/T1_-1_937212.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=937212)

tphuang

11-17-2005, 09:02 PM

Thanks to CDF:
J-10 on magazine covers
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3366/j10magazinecover4su.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/535/j10russiamagazine6ia.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1147/1j10plaafmagcover9wb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

muyang523

11-17-2005, 09:17 PM

http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/gallery/B-737a.jpg
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/surveillance/Y-8SIG.jpg
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/surveillance/Y-8EW1.jpg
L-15
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/trainer/L-15_01.jpg
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/trainer/L-15_3view1.jpg

tphuang

11-17-2005, 10:25 PM

yeah, I'm very very excited about L-15. It is probably more advanced than J-10 in terms of its ranking in the trainer industry, anyhow, su-30mkk diagram.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/249/su30mkk5aa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

swimmerXC

11-19-2005, 10:38 AM

J-8F, L-15
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1497/j8building4fx.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8building4fx.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1983/j8buildinga1hg.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8buildinga1hg.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9830/j8buildingb1yc.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8buildingb1yc.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6964/l15yellow053pn.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l15yellow053pn.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1069/l15yellow05a0fb.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l15yellow05a0fb.jpg)

swimmerXC

11-20-2005, 12:22 AM

see the JH-7A?, Y-10, bunch of planes
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4323/writing8fx.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=writing8fx.jpg)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8382/y106ro.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=y106ro.jpg)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3904/planes9ku.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planes9ku.jpg)

ahho

11-20-2005, 02:30 AM

how come the advance fighter posted by muyang looks like FC-1 with the new avionics and twin engine

tphuang

11-20-2005, 12:52 PM

how come the advance fighter posted by muyang looks like FC-1 with the new avionics and twin engine
It's not FC-1, it's L-15. It's considered to be China's next big trainer export item. Also, it is probably more advanced in its field than any other Chinese planes have ever been.

muyang523

11-20-2005, 02:54 PM

J-7FS
http://www.cac.com.cn/cpzs/images/JP034.jpg
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2005-02-22/1018848_050520990.jpg

swimmerXC

11-22-2005, 05:54 PM

Simulator, helos, H-6
http://img384.imageshack.us/im

g384/1112/sim0ly.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sim0ly.jpg)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8545/super0ve.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=super0ve.jpg)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8116/supera5xl.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supera5xl.jpg)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3420/blacknwhite6gx.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blacknwhite6gx.jpg)
[img=http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1899/h6d8vp.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

swimmerXC

11-22-2005, 05:56 PM

MKK
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4086/mkkenginea8zc.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mkkenginea8zc.jpg)
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3038/mkkengineb1os.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mkkengineb1os.jpg)
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9628/mkkenginec2mh.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mkkenginec2mh.jpg)
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1274/mkkengined1ci.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mkkengined1ci.jpg)
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5105/mkkenginee5vo.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mkkenginee5vo.jpg)

MIGleader

11-22-2005, 06:43 PM

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/F-7_J-7_J-8.htm

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/q-5_jh-7_h-6.htm

has tons of nice pics...but i can post or hyperlink any of em

ahho

11-22-2005, 10:56 PM

It's not FC-1, it's L-15. It's considered to be China's next big trainer export item. Also, it is probably more advanced in its field than any other Chinese planes have ever been.

man, l-15 without colour looks a bit different, i thought it was something LIKE the fc-1 with new avionics and twin engine

tphuang

11-23-2005, 02:49 PM

this is the comparison of L-15 and FC-1's stats
L-15的技术数据褭訖��
机长 12.27m (length)
　　翼展 9.48m (wing span)
　　正常起飞重量 6800kg (normal starting weight)
　　最大起飞重量 9800kg (maximum starting weight)
　　发动机 AL-222-25F加力式涡扇发动机 (powerplants
　　加力推力 4200kgX2 (thrust)
　　最大飞行速度 1.4M (maximum speed)
　　飞控系统 3轴4冗余电传飞控系统 (flight control system)
　　转场航程 3100km (flight range)
　　作战半径 1200km (operation range?)
　　最大载弹量 3800kg (maximum payload)
　　任务载弹量 3500kg (task payload?)
　　起飞距离 200m (liftoff distance)
FC-1的技术数据
翼展 8.98米 (wing span)
机长 14.30米 (plane length)
机高 4.90米 (height)
主轮距 2.54米
前主轮距 4.94米
正常起飞重量 9100KG (normal liftoff weight)
最大起飞重量 12700KG (maximum liftoff weight)
外挂能力 3800千克 (payload)
机内燃油 2300L (internal tank)
最大马赫数 M1.8 (maximum speed)
实用升限 16500米 (maximum operating altitude)
起飞滑跑距离 450米 (liftoff distance)
maximum G 8G
thrust 81.4 kN
This is exactly why many people in China would rather China use L-15 than FC-1

Wingman

11-24-2005, 12:59 PM

... why? :confused:
Those stats suggest the FC-1 is superior to the L-15 in almost every aspect

tphuang

11-24-2005, 03:44 PM

It would appear that way, but you have to look at the big picture. J-10 is already in service, so FC-1's specs are at best secondary in plaaf. L-15 has the advantage of the short liftoff distance and its payload is similar enough to FC-1 despite being a much smaller jet. Basically, L-15 can do a lot of what FC-1 can do, but has other usage too.

swimmerXC

11-24-2005, 04:12 PM

J-8II, FC-1 loadout?
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3578/j8ii3qq.th.jpg (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8ii3qq.jpg)
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/7809/j8iia3xi.th.jpg (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8iia3xi.jpg)
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/1480/j8iib1oj.th.jpg (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8iib1oj.jpg)
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3528/j8iipl80vc.th.jpg (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8iipl80vc.jpg)
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/5315/fc1loadout1sf.th.jpg (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fc1loadout1sf.jpg)

tphuang

11-26-2005, 04:24 PM

kanwa article on J-8's new changes. It says that SAC is still producing J-8s in small volume.
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/6590/11876570590ae1a1d2bf38b9ke.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

swimmerXC

11-27-2005, 10:25 PM

J-7 with LGB?, WS-10A
http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/7554/j7bombs2hi.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j7bombs2hi.jpg)
http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/2922/ws10a3bc.th.jpg (http://img322.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ws10a3bc.jpg)

swimmerXC

11-29-2005, 09:34 PM

PLAAF F-16 mock up, J-10 probe (mid-air refueling??)???, Su-27...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1549/mockups6ml.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mockups6ml.jpg)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9915/1j10aprobe1jf.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1j10aprobe1jf.jpg)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5674/j10aprobecpmparison0ef.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j10aprobecpmparison0ef.jpg)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2749/su27ubk1cx.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su27ubk1cx.jpg)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8477/su27ubka7tn.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su27ubka7tn.jpg)

swimmerXC

11-29-2005, 09:48 PM

PLAAF Helmets
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3230/helmet1ul.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helmet1ul.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5412/helmeta2ce.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helmeta2ce.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6749/helmetb5xo.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helmetb5xo.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3002/helmetc8hs.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helmetc8hs.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1663/hmsa9hl.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmsa9hl.jpg)

tphuang

11-29-2005, 10:59 PM

the latest KJ-2000 converted from B-4043
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7436/b40433us.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

MIGleader

11-30-2005, 03:53 PM

the first guys sunglasses are as fake as hell. i think the plaaf might be placing dummy f-16s in mountainous locations to help pilots practice bombing them, in case taiwan does this.

swimmerXC

12-01-2005, 05:47 PM

Fc-1 old model, J-8II, loadout, J-XX PSed???
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6126/oldfc16jo.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldfc16jo.jpg)
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4937/j8d2kf.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j8d2kf.jpg)
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2618/loadout9go.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loadout9go.jpg)
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9492/cgi5ev.jpg

MIGleader

12-01-2005, 06:54 PM

thats a terrible ps job on the part of whoever did it. almost anyone in the world can recognize an f-22 from any angle, any where. it doesnt matter where he puts the plane.i do admire this guys attempts to change the ngine, but its not going to cut it. maybe an su-47 would look better and more convincing.

swimmerXC

12-14-2005, 09:25 PM

L-15, Q-5, WZ-10, H-6, Mi-171
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8012/l15loadout6cn.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8030/q5news1qe.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2824/wz10b4rf.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5784/landing9cj.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1676/migg7db.jpg

swimmerXC

12-14-2005, 09:35 PM

news...
Russia to provide China with 240 jet engines in next 5 years

In the coming few years the total demand from southeast countries for Il-76 combat-support cargo aircraft and Il-78 air refueling tanker will surpass 50, a spokesman of Russian air company Ilyushin said at the 8th Pulau Langkawi air show held in Malaysia.

Russia is talking with several southeast Asian countries over the selling of Il-76. Experts estimate demand of 12 sets from Malaysia and Indonesia respectively. Besides, Vietnam and Thailand showed strong interest in Il-76MF, a heavy cargo aircraft equipped with PS-90A engine.

Persian Gulf countries including Saudi Arabia and the UAE also expressed their intention to purchase Il-76. Ilyushin leaders also expect an order from Jordan.

Russia inked a deal with China in last September to provide 38 Il-76MD military cargo aircraft and Il-78MK air refueling tanker (equipped with D-30KP-2 engine). According to the contract, Russia will also provide China will 240 sets of engines from 2006 to 2010, their total value exceeding 300 million US dollars. The whole contract is worth about 1 billion dollars. All these planes will be assembled by Tashkent Aircraft Production Corporation, Uzbekistan.

By People's Daily Online

Source (http://english.people.com.cn/200512/14/eng20051214_228014.html)

tphuang

12-14-2005, 10:41 PM

J-10B getting certified
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5403/j10bcertifiedarticle2gb.jpg

ordinary dude

12-15-2005, 12:31 AM

Sorry tphuang. the article you posted is concerned with FC-1/JF17 not the J-10B, but very nice article anyways

tphuang

12-15-2005, 01:29 AM

did you read the article? It mentions JF-17 and then a major ticket item that started development in 2000. And that plane has to have training and striking capability. It said it finished development and joined service in 5 years. It said it started low rate production in just 5 years from the start of the project. That's the shortest in plaaf history.

swimmerXC

12-17-2005, 12:41 PM

J-7 with PL-9C, J-8II, Jh-7A, J-11C CGi, MKK?
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2929/j7pg2om.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2204/j8iic1zg.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7559/6jh7a1be.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6997/j11cnaval9qo.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5058/85213bm.jpg

MIGleader

12-17-2005, 12:45 PM

thae last one isnt an mkk. probably a russian su-27ub. it has the angled tail fins, and is in the russian af blue paint scheme.

crobato

12-18-2005, 03:46 AM

The last one is a UBK in the service of the Vietnamese Air Force.

swimmerXC

12-18-2005, 12:35 PM

MKK?, J-10C?, Chinese article
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3910/new9ll.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2269/j10c4um.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7773/mag2sh.jpg

Yimmy

12-18-2005, 01:33 PM

Is that image marked 28, of the Sukhoi on the Russian carrier a naval varient of the Su-34? It looks like it has the side by side seating of the type.

Gollevainen

12-18-2005, 02:46 PM

It's Su-33KUB, the first side-by-side seated flanker....intended to become a special carrierbrone trainer as that arragment gives both the pilot and instructor a good view for landings...the SU-34 Strike plane was developted form this variant....

TerraN_EmpirE

12-18-2005, 04:09 PM

swimmerXC

12-18-2005, 05:13 PM

The shades are PS'ed On.....
Yea I know, it's to help protect the idenity of that person... I didn't do it though...
Ehh.. might as well stick some pics in this post..
KJ-2000AWACS and Y-8 Balance Beam Testbed Cub, SA 342L Gazelle, Wz-9, Jh-7A refuel?, Tu-154M/D Careless?
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/939/awacsbalancebeam4cl.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7066/sa342lgazelle2sn.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/6545/wz9b1vs.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7900/refuel3mb.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7806/spy6xk.jpg

swimmerXC

12-19-2005, 01:16 AM

Awacs stuff(translate plz), SA 342L Gazelle?, Helix
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4329/article6co.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4914/articlea3po.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8286/articleb1tp.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9523/lh94307helichopter3xi.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7769/helix3ks.jpg
1:16AM still got essays and chemistry to study... i hate school

swimmerXC

12-19-2005, 11:16 PM

Mag, J-8s, J-11
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8696/maga7uk.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5493/magb3gb.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6195/j8211065pu.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5893/j8jh71ni.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6947/base9yq.jpg

darth sidious

12-19-2005, 11:38 PM

ondream

U-2 is not a chinese aircraft how does that have to do with
the current plaf

if the u-2 is mentioned it should atlest be the ones the chinese
shoot down

sumdud

12-20-2005, 03:08 AM

Wow, the J-7's pylons are so close together........Wonder why. So far out too. They could've added an extrapylon on the inside.....
I thought the Su-33KUB never became operational?

Yes, that's a Careless. (Notice hump on bottom.)
JH-7A refueler?!...........
All of the EW planes together? Sweeeeet........

MIGleader

12-20-2005, 04:02 PM

it says 50 year aniversary for first deployment of the u-2. theres nothing wrong with a chinese article disscusing the u-2.

that j-8 is cgi...too clean and bright. the su-27k/33 looks really nice.

swimmerXC

12-20-2005, 05:13 PM

Su30-MK2
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/3346/su30mk23mm.jpg
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/4415/su30mk2147zn.jpg
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/1449/su30mk2base3mx.jpg
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/1750/su30mk2new0ox.jpg

MIGleader

12-20-2005, 06:26 PM

why are the pics so dated? the mkk2 was first recieved in 2004

tphuang

12-21-2005, 01:31 AM

Since it's established that J-10B was certified this year, I found J-10A's certification year too, apparently it's 2004.
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/3717/cac35years5gz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Also, this makes a slight mention of the new jian CAC is working on.

Deino

12-22-2005, 08:16 AM

Just to enjoy ..... even if it's a CG !

Deino :nana:

http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1135248008.JPG

darth sidious

12-22-2005, 03:00 PM

an X can not fly let along hold missile

think you should try posting the pic again

Deino

12-22-2005, 03:09 PM

Sorry ... just the moment I posted the pic it was clear to see ... now it has gone !

Try this link:

http://www.china-defense.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10148&st=0&#entry228870

Deino :nana:

swimmerXC

12-22-2005, 10:00 PM

reading time....
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/5286/mkkc2el.jpg
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/3937/mkkd0pa.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4717/mkke7oj.jpg

swimmerXC

12-22-2005, 10:03 PM

more....
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/9540/mkkb5mv.jpg
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5695/mkka3ab.jpg
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1385/mkk6aj.jpg

swimmerXC

12-22-2005, 10:19 PM

MKK
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3522/ad0aj.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5768/mkkad4jo.jpg

swimmerXC

12-25-2005, 01:52 PM

base..., J-11???, Fc-1 weapons
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/4241/base3zo.jpg
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/3486/basea9qj.jpg
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/43/baseb5xw.jpg
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/4353/prototype7bc.jpg
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/6436/missiles4eh.jpg

swimmerXC

12-26-2005, 02:12 PM

Trainer, L-15, H-6U, Jh-7A
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4370/migevo4wr.jpg
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4618/l1511tu.jpg
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2157/h6u8cm.jpg
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/7122/h6ua1ju.jpg
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/8154/display2kk.jpg

swimmerXC

12-27-2005, 12:21 AM

helos, J-10
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6515/ammo4fg.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4084/action5ag.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2230/mi171l6oh.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6857/ka28b2hj.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8905/speca1nu.jpg

swimmerXC

12-28-2005, 12:47 PM

J-7G, J-11
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/4206/j7g7ng.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/6522/j7gb2px.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/3336/j7ga8gi.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2944/371sl.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2522/4072oz.jpg

swimmerXC

12-28-2005, 12:47 PM

J-7FS, J-7MF (reminds me of J-10...), PL-9C
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/1508/j7fs4zy.jpg
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/6831/j7fsa8qx.jpg
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/2017/j7mf4qo.jpg
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/9905/j7mfa7go.jpg
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/2980/pl9c0yf.jpg

muyang523

12-31-2005, 05:07 PM

J-7fs
http://product.news.sohu.com/ml/uppic/20050531203057418748.jpg
J-7Mf
http://product.news.sohu.com/ml/uppic/2005053120421188317.jpg
http://product.news.sohu.com/ml/uppic/2005053120421163903.jpg
J-13
http://product.news.sohu.com/ml/uppic/2005060310321716374.jpg

swimmerXC

01-01-2006, 12:34 AM

HAPPY NEW YEARS!
J-7, MKK CGI, L-15, Q-5
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3458/j7tree1uv.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5950/night2sp.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9714/mountain1xb.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3221/l15up2nq.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1973/112643ox.jpg

sumdud

01-02-2006, 02:29 AM

Whoa, check out the J-7CP, and the J7 Stealth tech testbed. RAM?)

The L-15 has 8 HP?
That's @_@.
More than J-7, &-8.........FC-1, IDF(6 HP only? Seems that it can take more), and LCA.......

swimmerXC

01-03-2006, 05:28 PM

Article, J-7 CGI, J-10, J-8 and J-11, whats this?
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2359/48xw.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7749/chase8hl.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2508/j10back2nm.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1149/and278dm.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6097/h78xe.jpg

Aluka

01-04-2006, 01:55 PM

What is this? Most likely PS. Notice that the right "would be engine" doesn't have air intake.

MIGleader

01-04-2006, 05:07 PM

are u talking about the h-6? i see two intakes, although i dont know why its green

gordonblade

01-04-2006, 10:54 PM

Clearly 100% PSed for the H-6. The front part of the air intake from the other side (top) is missing!!!!!

MIGleader

01-05-2006, 06:14 PM

actually, judging from the suroundings, the thing is probably a toy with ps imput. there were rumors of a 4 engine h-6 circulating in the 70s, but the plan was cancelled.

swimmerXC

01-05-2006, 06:22 PM

airforce helmet for PLAAF
http://jczs.sina.com.cn/p/2006-01-01/0827341491.html
i'll post some pics later tonight...

AssassinsMace

01-05-2006, 09:30 PM

Nice to see the PLAAF pilots with something other than white helmets. Don't know what's thing with white and the PLA. Like parades... they love putting the white walls on wheels. I think it makes all their stuff look like the 50s.

swimmerXC

01-05-2006, 10:58 PM

J-10, J-7EB, FC-1, NOT PLA: Chinese made jet ARJ-21
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3433/j10su277fw.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3006/j7ebi7dy.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2875/fc1015ed.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5585/arj213ar.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/4062/arj21a8ma.jpg

muyang523

01-05-2006, 11:29 PM

O-5?
http://www.simonb6.co.uk/2002/DS-Q-5-31124-1.jpg
http://www.simonb6.co.uk/2002/DS-Q-5-31124-2.jpg

Z-6 cancelled
http://www.simonb6.co.uk/2002/DS-QUE-1.jpg

sumdud

01-07-2006, 01:14 AM

When is the ARJ-21 comming out?

That's the Q-5B, redesigned to fit 2 Yu-2 torpedoes under the body.

swimmerXC

01-08-2006, 09:53 PM

here's some info on it
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/jan/1252175.htm
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/93698.asp
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-12/14/content_3921781.htm
won't make route flight till 08 i guess....

FreeAsia2000

01-09-2006, 10:33 AM

Here you go.

http://www.china-military.org/units/shenyang/1div/images/J-11/J-11_11_small.jpg

http://www.china-military.org/units/shenyang/1div/images/J-11/J-11_19_small.jpg

http://www.china-military.org/units/shenyang/1div/images/J-11/J-11_11x2x_small.jpg

http://www.china-military.org/units/images/14div/J-11_20057_small.jpg

bd popeye

01-09-2006, 01:34 PM

SwimmerXC..Thanks for posting those excellent pics! You da' man!

Now if we could only get some up to date pics of the Varyag:confused: That would be excellent. Keep up the good work. Love the pics!!!

You got any more pics of Russian Flankers on the ADM "K"????

Thanks again!

swimmerXC

01-09-2006, 05:50 PM

What do you mean by the ADM "K"?
Well the point of the Varyag Thread is for pics I guess, Sczepan posts most of those Varyag pics
H-6 getting dismantled (first plane to drop our first nuke), Su-30MKK Crash, JH-7A
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2371/h6dismantle3kb.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/850/h6dismantlea1no.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5048/crash3zp.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3926/817657wf.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5781/jh7aproto9oa.jpg

swimmerXC

01-09-2006, 11:08 PM

LGB, J-6?, J-7, J-11, Su-27UBK
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4968/bombs7tm.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3105/q5enginec2xn.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1435/j7base1zz.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4555/j11036ej.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1334/ubka7ht.jpg

swimmerXC

01-10-2006, 11:21 PM

J-10, J-8II (what missile is that?)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3175/j10j77cy.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6613/j10su271ws.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1651/dumbbombs0gc.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2218/j8ii110f0qq.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2281/j8ii110g4yc.jpg

tphuang

01-12-2006, 11:15 PM

y-8 balance beam?

swimmerXC

01-13-2006, 10:56 PM

swimmerXC

01-15-2006, 07:27 PM

Y-8 Family, FC-1, J-10, Blackhawk
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5702/y8family1132gc.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6956/y8family113a0ap.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5793/011129mp.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8509/10065ay.jpg
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/1107/blackhawk6qf.jpg

renmin

01-15-2006, 07:45 PM

MIGleader

01-15-2006, 08:00 PM

renmin

01-15-2006, 08:08 PM

No fair!! i want a toy flanker too!!!
do you get a toy flanker for serving with the plaaf? thats my incentive to join!!

i think the guy in the middle is the captain, and hes going over manuvers with his men using dummies.If you want a flanker replica, go to a hobby shop and purchase it there.;) That technique of training must be really old. I saw a chinese propaganda poster with a pilot holding a plane replica. What are they going to get out of doing manuvers with toy planes? why not play video games like all the other countries instead?:D

New2u

01-15-2006, 08:14 PM

old?? the US and every other countries still do this..it's a basic training thing..

renmin

01-15-2006, 08:17 PM

old?? the US and every other countries still do this..it's a basic training thing..really? oh, I thought those high tech simulations and projections had all taked over this stuff:o . ok it just seemed very old aged thats all.

Seacraft

01-15-2006, 11:16 PM

really? oh, I thought those high tech simulations and projections had all taked over this stuff:o . ok it just seemed very old aged thats all. One of the best ways to visualize a manouvure - try it with a computer simulation so that you - as an individual - can manipulate two planes at once to demonstrate a problem and solution - far easier to convey by hand...

sumdud

01-16-2006, 01:19 AM

UVA?, J-6, UVA?, AL-31FN
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/7884/guess1130no.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4397/j61139jz.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3974/uva6iq.gif
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2366/al31fn2ix.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5845/al31fna0ki.jpg
In the first photo, I spy four UAVs. That includes what is known as but unconfirmed as the YJ-62 LACM up front. (Notice the wing, the tail, and the booster.) The UAV behind it is the WZ-2000(WZ?What in the.....) Stealth UAV (It made maiden flight in Dec 2003 according to Dongfeng). Good stuff. If you pay attention, there is the CK-1 flying target in Orange. And in the back is something new apparently......... I've seen such a UAV in Iran and I think also in Saudi Arabia. Don't know when it came over the Himalayas......... Wonder about it though.

swimmerXC

01-17-2006, 06:45 PM

H-6, J-8II, CGIS of JXX
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/4634/h6d1146xe.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8624/h6117062pd.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/152/j81167fv.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6149/j141165xb.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1161/j14116a6lm.jpg

renmin

01-17-2006, 08:26 PM

Something about the so called JXX looks familiar, oh yeah, didnt we already declare that a fake? We said it already in the begining. i think on page 2 of this thread. Sorry. It would be nice if that was real. the last picture could be possibly real.

crobato

01-17-2006, 09:57 PM

I feel that the last picture is fake. A clever CG.

MIGleader

01-18-2006, 03:42 PM

renmin

01-18-2006, 04:34 PM

Yes, the last does look more like a computer generated photo than a real one. simple cut and paste. Till now I really have no idea how Jian XX would turn out. There are just so many pictures, which mostly are artist impressions, one even had the JXX with swept wing design!

SteelBird

01-20-2006, 03:45 AM

there is no way that last picture is real!!! dream on guys!! there is noe way the plaafr woul reveal actuyally j-xx photo so early. j-10 photos didnt appear until 1996, when someone smuggled a shot of the j-10 in its first test flight which is only a rumor). thats 12 years into j-10s development.

any person who has any idea of what cgi looks like can tell thats a fake

They look like real things, especially the first one. it looks impressed. but i don't like the canards they added on it. the first one looks like mig mapo & the second look similar to f-22.

renmin

01-20-2006, 08:51 PM

Jian-13
http://afwing.com/images/j13/13-01.jpg
IDF (not sure what it stands for)
http://afwing.com/images/idf/tj-2.JPG
FBC-1
http://afwing.com/images/fbc1/fbc-1.jpg

IDF=Indigenous Defense Fighter AKA Ching-Kuo :)

swimmerXC

01-22-2006, 05:31 PM

KJ-2000, Y-10 AWACS?, J-8II with canards?, Helos, J-XX or Rafale?
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5077/kj2000122065xf.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/8848/uh122066eu.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5870/j8ii12206a1iw.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/3519/action122067hv.jpg
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/5349/jxx12206b8ek.jpg

tphuang

01-27-2006, 02:06 AM

first official photo of J-10
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1811/j10jan267vh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

swimmerXC

01-27-2006, 03:19 PM

J-8II, H-6, JH-7
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/4469/back127060gq.jpg
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/7208/j8ii125060ma.jpg
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8031/h6125064of.jpg
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/9246/jh7a12206b2sz.jpg
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/4422/jh712406a0tm.jpg

swimmerXC

01-29-2006, 05:05 PM

Enjoy the art for the time being...
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1986/j119bi.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7303/jh77px.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6787/jh7a4ft.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5893/j72ab.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3125/j7b0ie.jpg

renmin

01-29-2006, 07:32 PM

H-6
http://www.vos.com.cn/2004/05/1084021589_050821.jpg
J-15
http://www.warchina.com/jspl13/images/j15.jpg
J-11
http://202.102.233.131/military/fcpic/f11a4.jpg

tphuang

01-30-2006, 05:40 PM

more J-10 from http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20060130/13065870.html
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20060130/images/13065870_2006013015070863418100.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20060130/images/13065870_2006013015070875117500.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20060130/images/13065870_2006013015070879821700.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20060130/images/13065870_2006013015070882413800.jpg

Sczepan

02-02-2006, 04:03 PM

source CDF - called "russian forum" without reference mark

swimmerXC

02-02-2006, 09:06 PM

Cockpits: J-8II, J-8D (From Video Game), J-10, Su-30MKK, SU-27SK
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8906/j8iicockpit123060sl.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1010/j8dcockpit123069ys.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4033/j10cockpit123062kx.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3664/mkkcockpit123068rd.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9919/su27skcockpit124063zf.jpg