logistics problem

[MadMax]

china has so many different types of ammunition is it going to cause a problem.
for example why dose the airborne ifv use a 30 mm gun and the type 92 uses 25 mm why didnt they use the same gun or one that uses the same ammo. in the event of a war this could cause huge problems.

[Obcession]

Logistical problems.

But yes, I agree. They need to standardize things a bit more.

[ahho]

hmmm maybe they are switching to 30mm because most of the apc/ifv that use 25mm is older and considering that the airborn and bmp-3 derivative are new projects

[MIGleader]

yeah, that may be a problem, but bullets are really never so critical. if anyone has to worry of logistics, that india

[Dongfeng]

My feeling is that the PLA is rushing to get new toys and haven't thought about it too much. You get 25mm cannon and 30mm cannon, both of which are excellent in certain aspects. Which do you choose? let's have them both!:confused:

[adeptitus]

china has so many different types of ammunition is it going to cause a problem.
for example why dose the airborne ifv use a 30 mm gun and the type 92 uses 25 mm why didnt they use the same gun or one that uses the same ammo. in the event of a war this could cause huge problems.

Look at many country's artillery systems, they have everything from 75mm to 203mm guns in various calibers. The newest PLA artillery are 155mm/45 caliber, but what are you going to do with the 15,000+ artillery pieces in existing inventory?

If we examine cost of modern self-propelled artillery systems, I think Kuwait paid about $300 million for 72 PLZ-45 from China? That's $4.16 mil each. India allocated $2 billion USD to purchase 400 x 155mm SP artillery systems, that's an average cost of $5 million USD each.

If we were to assume that each PLZ-45 costs $4 million USD, that's $4 billion for 1,000, or $40 billion USD for 10,000 units. $_$

[MIGleader]

Look at many country's artillery systems, they have everything from 75mm to 203mm guns in various calibers. The newest PLA artillery are 155mm/45 caliber, but what are you going to do with the 15,000+ artillery pieces in existing inventory?

If we examine cost of modern self-propelled artillery systems, I think Kuwait paid about $300 million for 72 PLZ-45 from China? That's $4.16 mil each. India allocated $2 billion USD to purchase 400 x 155mm SP artillery systems, that's an average cost of $5 million USD each.

If we were to assume that each PLZ-45 costs $4 million USD, that's $4 billion for 1,000, or $40 billion USD for 10,000 units. $_$

there is no way the pla wants to have 10000 units. they only have a few dozen now, and plan to replace it with the plz-03

[lazzydigger]

I don't think it will cause too much a fuss.
PLA is a very very large organisation, but not all of its force are frontline that needs strong logistic support.

All the new toys are concentrated in a few elite army groups. The army group logistic corp can handle them as the standarisation accross the army group and army group only.

For example, The 14.5 anti aircraft machine guns are only used in reserve units and Militiaman. It still type classfied, but the ammo is stationed with those units, and there are not urgent replenish requirement

Lazzy digger

[sumdud]

The ammo is not the problem.
Even if China is switching from Russian calibers to Western ones, China has too much ammo to call it a problem.
The problem is more for its RRU.
China really needs more transports.
India has more Il-76s than China, and China barely have any Y-8s really.
And you can't run vehicles on coal.

Another problem I've heard about here: Flightsuits.
Each fighter has its own type of suit. (.................)

And if China needs to move their tanks on civilian roads, it's over.
China's "interstate autobahn" is a mess. The numbers are just #$%^#$%#.
And there aren't much roads in the West. (Which I guess doesn't really matter....)

[darth sidious]

SUMDUD where did you get the info that chinese tanks can not travel on civilain roads the "state road " built in the 50s can handle the T-96 tank the real problme is that there is not enough the ons they have are ok

[MadMax]

I think China is going through a "growing up" phase and the large number of different types of gear and ammo is a result of the rapid modernization of the millitary. but i think that when china settles on the equipment they are going to use it will all be worked out:china:

[chinawhite]

And you can't run vehicles on coal.


What about trains?.

Good type of transport and quicker than car

Regards,

chinawhite

[TerraN_EmpirE]

What about trains?.

Good type of transport and quicker than car

Regards,

chinawhite
most run on either Diesel Oil or electric these days.

most armys are loaded with multipul types of rounds even the US has 25mm 20mm and 30mm rounds every one is trying to simplify but it takes time to work them out of the system.

[Delphi84]

I think Sumdud is talking abt the ground pressure issue. U must understand, a modern day MBT with its up-gun, up-armour and the sophisticated designs of electronic systems on board the vehicles, a MBT can easily weigh around 50 tonnes. Even Chinese and Russian vehicles, considerably lighter than their western counterparts, are getting heavier. Thus the effective ground pressure is getting larger. Thus roads or even small rural bridges that are constructed of weaker materials can not tolerate such high ground pressure will definitely break or collapse. This will not affect tracked vehicles but it will be a disaster to wheeled vehicles as the badly destroyed road will hinder their mobility. Thats why usually a lighter tank or wheeled IFV are prefered over heavy armour when engaged in things like street fighting.
For example, in South east Asian nations, the climate also affects the usage of armour vehicles. Due to frequent and prolong seasonal raining periods, our effective soil compactness and ground pressure is low. Thus, this restricts most SEA nations to use light tanks that weight no more than 30 tonnes. Thus u see most SEA nations use things like AMX-13, Scropion tanks, V-150, Simbas and Bionix IFV, with a weight of no more than 25 tonnes.:D :roll:

[sumdud]

That's not what I meant really.
China now have a numbering system for their systems of roads, but the numbers are very confusing.
But yes, some of China's roads are still in bad mess.

And so what if you transport tanks on tain, how'll they run after getting off.
But then again, I guess oil isn't an issue now.
If I had an armor column invade, I would put my light tanks on jets and put my MBTs on trains to get them there.
The problem for China is:
China lacks large transports.
China don't have a good light tank. (Type 99 not counted, it's stuck with the marines.)