Chinesse J-2 , J-5 and J-7

[ZIVOJIN]

Is there any J-2/JJ-2 and J-5 (not JJ-5) in PLA service?
How many J-7 is in service? Does J-7E/G replace the J-7I/II/III?

Zivojin, Belgrade, Serbia

[Chairman Hu]

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lol
what kinda question is that lol

no there isnt any J-2s left, they cant even fire missiles, all they can do is attack B-29s

J-7? about 500 ish, you can check globalsecurity.org

[tphuang]

J-5 should be converted to drones and same will J-6s I think.

As for J-7, maybe up to 1000?

[MIGleader]

hmm...j-2 is mig 15 right? dont think so. chia didnt use them much after korea. j-7? threr are around 250 modern upgraded varients.

[muyang523]

J-2 is MIG-15, J-2,J-5,and J-6, are all out of service. Except for the fact that some J-5,J-6, and J-7 were coverted to ground attack UAV. All the old fighters/intercepters in service are early varients of J-7, J-8, J-8B/D. They are getting replaced by J-7E/G,J-8F/H,J-10,Su-27/30/J-11 and maybe Fc-1.

[vincelee]

I thought MiG-15 is J-5.

[muyang523]

J-5 is MIg-17.
source:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-5.htm
J-2
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/mig-15.jpg
J-5
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/mig17-003.jpg

[Su-27 Pilot]

PLAAF still uses Mig-21s right >??

[muyang523]

Yes since J-7 is mig-21

[adeptitus]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-2.htm

"The Chinese Shenyang aircraft factory built two-seat trainer versions of the MiG-15UTI, known as JJ-2s, but never constructed any single-seat fighter versions of the aircraft. Instead, the facilities repaired and maintained Soviet-built airplanes.

The first Chinese-built jet fighter to enter service were license-built copies of the MiG-15’s successor, the MiG-17 Fresco. Designated the J-5, the Chinese version of the MiG-17 first flew on August 2, 1956. Trainer aircraft, designated JJ-5s, appeared nearly ten years later. In all, 767 J-5 fighters and 1,061 JJ-5 trainers were built in China."

J-2 = MiG-15
J-5 = MiG-17
J-6 = MiG-19
Q-5 = Based on MiG-19
J-7 = MiG-21

Globalsecurity's estimates on PLAAF inventory:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/plaaf-equip.htm

J-2: nil
J-5: nil
J-6: 350
Q-5: 300
J-7: 500

JZ-6: 100 (reconnaissance)
JJ-6: ? (trainer)
JJ-7: 50+ (trainer)

The J-7E/G is the newest version of the J-7 series.

If you ever wondered what happened to those used/surplus MiG-15/JJ-2's:
http://www.jetwarbird.com/Mig.html
http://www.jetwarbird.com/prices.html

You can fly one for $2,300 USD/hour, but only if you have a pilot's license and meet requirements.

[Grupo2]

Ok, I know the PLAAF and PLANAF have not used J-2/MiG-15's for many years but i still have a question about them - I was wondering if anyone has photos of camouflaged J-2's during or after the Korean war.

Also I have seen drawings of PLAAF MiG-15's in a bare metal finish with red tail and wing uppersurfaces, did they actually use this colour?

Thanks

[Chaminuka]

What is the CACF J-7 in the foreground carrying under that twin-pylon?

And below that is there much information on F-7s and precision bombs? Any more info on the attached photos?

Thanks,
Chaminuka.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1383482_J732006J.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7529/j7withlgbsrv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sumdud]

No idea on the top picture. Those on the bottom look like Chinese indigenous LGBs.

[Chaminuka]

No idea on the top picture. Those on the bottom look like Chinese indigenous LGBs.

Thanks sumdud.

Was this just a test/development thing because I have never seen F-7s/J-7s listed as being LGB capable? I have seen Pakistan photos also with LGBs displayed with their F-7s.

[Deino]

No idea on the top picture. Those on the bottom look like Chinese indigenous LGBs.

Hmmm ... Maybe some kind of a target-towing dvice now without the actaul "target" ... I'm not sure, but I think I've seem something similar under a H-5.

Deino :confused:

[sumdud]

Well, any aircraft can be LGB capable as long as there's a laser pointing at the target (could be from the ground.) I would guess this is the same concept as on the Q-5E/Fs, You have J-7s carrying the bombs and one of them is the guidance.

I guess PLA is trying to retire their Q-5s now. The J-7E has better performance than Q-5s, except for number of hardpoints.(How did they manage to put 10 hardpoints? Wonder if that's possible with J-7Es, especially when its current bombing payload itself doesn't reach 2 tonnes.)

It just popped into my mind just now: Maybe that's a canister for air sampling, like after a nuclear test.

[crobato]

There is a Q-5 version that has a laser targeter right on the nose.

There is a chance that even with the supposedly better performance of the J-7E/G, the Q-5 may outlive the J-7 in the PLAAF.

The reasons for this.

The role of an attacker is less demanding than that of a fighter.

The sharp nose of the Q-5 gives a much better downward view than a J-7.

The sharp nose makes it easier to install targeting devices compared tothe oval nose cone of the J-7.

The plane is tough, resistant to battle damage and if damaged, easy to repair and maintain. With two engines, it has a built in redundancy over the J-7's one. This plane is the airborne equivalent of the AK-47. It's crude, but its simple and it works. And it can easily be built cheap and in numbers.

It is quite popular with the pilots, though the J-7 is too. The J-6 where the Q-5 is based from was quite difficult to fly, although it was very maneuverable. The flying difficulties were first shared among early Q/A-5s. But later as the design progressed, the plane becomes progressively more stable and easier to fly, yet maintaining much of its maneuverbility. At low altitudes, the plane can dogfight and give an account for itself on this, as evidenced by the PAF experience of the plane in DACT exercises against other types. This was probably why there is some resistance on the PLAAF to move over to the much more advanced JH-7A, which is much bigger and won't be as agile. In every division that is converting to the JH-7A, they are moving over the Q-5s to the second or third regiments of that division.

[albaviator]

Whatever u say about J-5, it was a great fighter. It served very well with the Albanian Air Force and only one was lost in air accidents! Only one in 40 years of service. It was a sucesful copy of the mighty MiG-17 and performed better in some parameters and was more smooth in flight.
In AAF it was used more in the air to ground role after the entrance of the Shenyang J-6, mostly in the air suport for the ground trups. Withdraw was in 1992.

[kduting]

j-5 of the PLAAF