chinese land tactics and training

[rommel]

What kind of tactics does the PLA use ?? Their training consist of what ??

[Obcession]

What kind of tactics does the PLA use ?? Their training consist of what ??

We had this topic on the old forum but unfortunately we did not arrive at any conclusions. Their basic tactics are basically your "strike weakness" tactics. We did arrive at the conclusion however, that their training emphasizes a lot on physical strength and endurance. They also teach basic Kung Fu to them to my knowledge. A few theoritical classes a few times a week, plus some physical and range training, and the rest is free time... I don't know much.

[President]

i dont know about front line PLA brigades, but the soldier trainig in second line PLA infantry unit including: rifle training, weapon maintenance, 5-kilometer running, physic body exercise, sentry for core official place and occasionally 20-kilometer rural area running at night, plus vegetable growing, pig feeding, channel digging, help school and universty student military training, helping local society and governing, and Mao-theory educating. for me, iam law student, so i have also law course studying. if i remeber back somgthing else, i will tell you later. :D

[Obcession]

i dont know about front line PLA brigades, but the soldier trainig in second line PLA infantry unit including: rifle training, weapon maintenance, 5-kilometer running, physic body exercise, sentry for core official place and occasionally 20-kilometer rural area running at night, plus vegetable growing, pig feeding, channel digging, help school and universty student military training, helping local society and governing, and Mao-theory educating. if i remeber back somgthing else, i will tell you later. :D

Wow, they sure sound like true soldiers of the people. :)

[President]

omg, i forget an important role for second line soldier that is fighting with local street hooligan, rogue, scamp :D :p :eek: when the flooding time, we also be sent to help civilian fight floods and provide disaster relief. :D

[FriedRiceNSpice]

In my opinion, growing vegetables and training with university/high school students is not a very good form of training for soldiers. Those notions might appeal to the CCP leadership, but if China wants to field a professional army, they can't have their soldiers feeding pigs and tending Chinese cabbage! They need to focus on physical training, have more 20km runs, and spend more time on drilling. Also, the modern army benefits greatly from wargame type excercises. The more realistic the exercises, the greater the benefit. Also, combat simulations in machinese greatly improve the readiness of armored forces. China can not hope to win wars with soldiers that tend vegetables!

[President]

yeah, because chinese army are oversized too much, there are so much surplus manpower, so i think only front line units are specialised for fast response in area war, the second line units are been reserved for massive war and national war, so we have more spare time to do something else, for example, if a war on taiwan, dont even need second line units to join, first line units is sufficient to finish the job. but if a war invasion to chinese soil, then second line units may be the new relays of troops :p

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I noticed you used the term we. So did you serve in a PLA category B unit then? Which division/group army were you from? Were you a commisioned officer? You also mentioned you studied law. Did you study law at a military academy?

[President]

sure i were studied in military acadmy, i was two-direction student, that means i can choose to stay serve inside army after gruadate or serve civilian society. i use 'we' there were so much second line troops surrond my college, we stay together everyday and night. but i cant exactly tell u which division/group/category i were in.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

i was two-direction student, that means i can choose to stay serve inside army after gruadate or serve civilian society

So which did you end up choosing? A life in the army or being a civilian?

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Oh wait a minute, my memory is coming back to me. Were you the person that got kicked out of military academy due to argueing with an instructor?

[President]

yeah sure :D that was 3 years ago

[BrotherofSnake]

Does China still use the "human wave" tactic they used in Korea?

[TJJH]

The so called "human wave" tactic was never used by the PVA forces. The fighting doctrine involved a strategy of "one against ten" (China vs World) and a tactic of "ten against one" (cutting off the command and killing a platoon by encircling a small group with many PVA troops). Back then bugles and the such were used to send signals, this may have led the UN forces to believe that the PVA used psychological warfare.

[Obcession]

Does China still use the "human wave" tactic they used in Korea?


They never used that tactic. All Western belief.

[MIGleader]

never argue with instructor. teachers are bad enough but instructors...

[rommel]

Well, I'd like to know if this is possible that the PLA use Soviet-era soviet armor tactic. The Soviet main armor tactics was recon in the front, tanks on the flank, mechanized infantry in the middle, when the recon encouter an ennemy force, they retreat to the infantry who establish a "defence" line with artillery deployed behind them, while ennemy main force will attack the infantry's position, the tank only have to outflank the ennemy forces.

[GunnarNZ]

Here's my take on PLA land tactics. Standard disclaimer applies, of course. YMMV, IMHO, etc...

They regard the regiment as the smallest unit that can be tasked with an independent mission, and so their tactics tend to follow the old soviet pattern.
For example, most emphasis is placed on attacks of various types, for example with two battalions advancing frontally and a third performing a flanking manoever. I'm unsure if the regimental tank battalion is split up by companies to provide stiffening for the infantry battalions or if it operates as a seperate entity to them, but my information is that an infantry regiment is regarded as having only three tactical entities which would suggest that they are split up.
Experiments have been performed with replacing tube artillery with MRLs, but as far as I am aware this has not occurred in line units.

[FreeAsia2000]

Well, I'd like to know if this is possible that the PLA use Soviet-era soviet armor tactic. The Soviet main armor tactics was recon in the front, tanks on the flank, mechanized infantry in the middle, when the recon encouter an ennemy force, they retreat to the infantry who establish a "defence" line with artillery deployed behind them, while ennemy main force will attack the infantry's position, the tank only have to outflank the ennemy forces.

Errm this is Soviet tactic ?...i thought it was standard tactic for last couple
of millenia...cavalry at sides to outflank etc...

[MIGleader]

it has been an old tactic tic. hannibal used a simmilar one to deafeat the romans. infantry in middle. cavalry on sides. spearman on extreme sides.

[Obcession]

Basically every country that fought in formations used it...

[rommel]

Basically every country that fought in formations used it...

not really, the German Panzer's during World War II main tactics was outflank the ennemy with their speed and cut their supply by the rear without destroy it, was infantry's job to destroy the now trapped ennemy force while the Panzers Force was already gone for others objectives...

[Obcession]

not really, the German Panzer's during World War II main tactics was outflank the ennemy with their speed and cut their supply by the rear without destroy it, was infantry's job to destroy the now trapped ennemy force while the Panzers Force was already gone for others objectives...

Well, still similarities. Panzers (cavalry) to outflank, infantry doing the bulk of the fighting.

[rommel]

Well, still similarities. Panzers (cavalry) to outflank, infantry doing the bulk of the fighting.

not really, in the russian tactics, the tanks was the main killers, the infantry was only there to distract, and with the cavalry outflank,it's the cavalry that's doing the main job too, the infantry are a kind of giant bait. The Germans only wanted to isolte the ennemy with the Panzer, so after the ennemy is isolated, the Panzer go to others objectives.

[sumdud]

Does China still use the "human wave" tactic they used in Korea?
Oh, comm'on, even if that happened back then, do you think it will happen now?
Dude, just because China was bad and people left doesn't mean China will always be bad and old and obselete........

As for the training, the marines must be able to swim, pack on, pack off, 5 km, 3km. They also train to hold their breath for long periods.
Have you seen the frogmen? Their skin are practically waxed. It's shiny like a frog's.

For duties, the PLA is known to have been sent to help in floods and if needed, act as sandbags, like in 1998.(#$$%^%&(&()&+_|}{":?><,./;'[]\~!@~##~` :mad: )

[Chairman Hu]

What kind of dumbass question is that...?

NO!!! OF COURSE NOT

No longer the people's war, now it's highly mechanized and technical warfare under a local war

China should focus on the pincer movement and neo-trench defence tactics used by the Germans when the Russians were at their eastern border at 1945

The death toll was real bad, for every 3 man the Russians lose, Germans lose one, and goes for vehicles too

[MIGleader]

all the kids at my summer camp thought china used the human wave. WTF!!!
china has suberb tactics and large numbers, which can overwhelm more modern enemy forces.

only the japs used the banzai charge in ww2. the idea that the chinese do it too is so racist.

[Chairman Hu]

Welcome to the western world

Most westerners think Chinese and Japanese are alike and the same, but we are mortal enemies, 731 and Nanjing is my points, I guess it's no different if we thought Americans and Russians are the same

[T-U-P]

I guess it's no different if we thought Americans and Russians are the same
huh? russians and americans? i think a better example is americans and canadians. most people do think canadians are like americans (at least very similar) both in military tactics and in everyday life. they share the same fighters, which was agreed in NORAD. of course canadians are...lazier, but more friendly.

[Chairman Hu]

lol wow a better comparison than me!

Well back to tactics... what do you guys think of the pincer movement?

or THE LONG MARCH!

[FriedRiceNSpice]

all the kids at my summer camp thought china used the human wave. WTF!!!

You went to summer camp!?!?! :eek: Were this kids American or Chinese? What kind of camp was this? A learnign camp?

or THE LONG MARCH!

Thats not really a military strategy or tactic.

[T-U-P]

Thats not really a military strategy or tactic.
the long march is a military strategy, it allowed the CCP to save it's forces while letting the KMTs battling out the japanese. which later allowed the CCP to win the civil war because they have more fresh troops.

it also enables the CCP to not directly face the japanese army and then try to fight the japanese from their soft spots., so there would be minimum casualties.

[Chairman Hu]

What About The Double Envelopment!?!?!?

[MIGleader]

You went to summer camp!?!?! :eek: Were this kids American or Chinese? What kind of camp was this? A learnign camp?



Thats not really a military strategy or tactic.

Yes, it was an educational camp. there were alot of chinese there, but the one kid i disagreed most was in my dorm mate. he was this american who had studied the US military alot, and he thought US weapons were always superior to russian and chinese. he thouht they were the best in the world. he thought chinese soldiers had no body armor and crried semiauto rifffles because of some clips of a pla parade. he thought the M1 could go 60 mph and hold 100 rounds of ammo. What a dumbass! perfect example of propagandad americans.

[Obcession]

: rollin!!!!!

I miss that emoticon.

LMAO that guy's so stupid.

[Chairman Hu]

Now I wish he the U.S fought again China and he served the front lines, that will teach him and other people just like him in a bloody and grusome lesson

OH WAIT, HE WOULD BE DEAD ALREADY!!!

Hope he gets rolled over by a tank...

For the 4th time or so... Should China consider the Pincer Movement/Double Envelopment tactic useful in modern warfare?

[ger_mark]

Now I wish he the U.S fought again China and he served the front lines, that will teach him and other people just like him in a bloody and grusome lesson


it must look terrebile to see all the dead chinese soldier between the burning tanks

[MIGleader]

you dont see dead chinese soldiers between tanks because they get helivaced like modern all soldiers.

pincer movement...hmm. maybe. but not in taiwan. it may help defeat the taiwanese army in the field, but there will be alot of city fighting.

[GunnarNZ]

Yes, it was an educational camp. there were alot of chinese there, but the one kid i disagreed most was in my dorm mate. he was this american who had studied the US military alot, and he thought US weapons were always superior to russian and chinese. he thouht they were the best in the world. he thought chinese soldiers had no body armor and crried semiauto rifffles because of some clips of a pla parade. he thought the M1 could go 60 mph and hold 100 rounds of ammo. What a dumbass! perfect example of propagandad americans.

Utterly unbelievable. I didn't realise people like that really existed, I thought they were exaggerations for comic effect.
Just on an aside... I thought the M1 COULD go 60mph, terrain permitting..?
When American soldiers are good (which isn't true of all of them), they're very very good. And they certainly have the resources to equip them lavishly. However they suffer from NIH syndrome a lot (Not Invented Here - a syndrome in which if your nation did not originate something, you automatically assume it to be worthless) and seem to come to depend too much on their lavish supply lines, IMHO.

[MadMax]

M1 tanker said the abrams could do 60 but it has a governer to keep from going over 45 so you wouldnt burn up the tread bearings
although its off topic i thought id clarify

[Chairman Hu]

Thanks, now we got that cleared...

Beijing Bombs Taipei and uses KAB-1500s to nail underground bases and use submarine to starve Taiwan into submission, I think Taiwan will surrender, as long as China helps rebuilt Taiwan

GERMARK STFU!!! We have enough troops and soldiers to pull off a classic pincer movement against any country, EVEN IF IT IS A 10 MILLION MAN ARMY!!! The old tanks will provide decoy and firepower while the new ones will attack in rderly mechanized warfare... HA!!! Thank you Zhukov!!! For demostrating the attack style in Mongolia in June of 1939 against the Japanese

[sumdud]

huh? russians and americans? i think a better example is americans and canadians. most people do think canadians are like americans (at least very similar) both in military tactics and in everyday life. they share the same fighters, which was agreed in NORAD. of course canadians are...lazier, but more friendly.
Aren't they? But yea, you guys can be lazy....................... Vancouver can be so dead................ No offense. :D


The Long March was a disaster. How many men actually survived?
Yes, it was an educational camp. there were alot of chinese there, but the one kid i disagreed most was in my dorm mate. he was this american who had studied the US military alot, and he thought US weapons were always superior to russian and chinese. he thouht they were the best in the world. he thought chinese soldiers had no body armor and crried semiauto rifffles because of some clips of a pla parade. he thought the M1 could go 60 mph and hold 100 rounds of ammo. What a dumbass! perfect example of propagandad americans.
It can go at 60, but ruining the wheels meanwhile. But 100 rounds, man, comm'on, what kind of kid is he?

Successful tactic or not, it's war, men die.
And if you keep using the pincer, the enemy will eventully outstand you by forming a bait and ambush a pincer on yourself.

[MIGleader]

would you also believe some of the other stuff the kid said?
M1 has hologram projecters
M1 feature ERA
M1 can fire a nuke.

f-15E is mor manuverable than flankers
F-15E feature Hms

m-16 is more reliable than ak-47
m-16 can fire rounds at 1000 yards

[BrotherofSnake]

M1 feature ERA

M1s in Iraq have ERA installed on the sideskirts and slat armor at the rear. :)

[T-U-P]

The Long March was a disaster. How many men actually survived?
i think more than 70% died, not sure. anyway, sure it was a disaster but the CCP would not have survived otherwise. if they stayed in that mountain then the KMT would surely kill and capture all of them.

[rommel]

would you also believe some of the other stuff the kid said?
M1 has hologram projecters
M1 feature ERA
M1 can fire a nuke.

f-15E is mor manuverable than flankers
F-15E feature Hms

m-16 is more reliable than ak-47
m-16 can fire rounds at 1000 yards

Well, that's really funny stuff. But this one is true : m-16 can fire rounds at 1000 yards, it can fire to 1000 yards, but the bullet is not effective anymore... (max effective range of 800m or 847 yards)

[MIGleader]

M1s in Iraq have ERA installed on the sideskirts and slat armor at the rear. :)

he told me choubam included Era.

do you guys want me to tell you any of the other redicoulus things he said?

[BrotherofSnake]

go ahead

[Chairman Hu]

1.) NO NO NO!!!! it was around 90% death toll for the long march

2.) WTF?!?!? The day that the M1 can fire a nuke is the day I become satan and hell is as cold as pluto's dark side

3.) F-15 is a manuverable aircraft, but it is a carbon copy of the MiG-25, and with a frame somewhat similar and a max speed of 2.5 when running on light... That is as much bs as eating a christmas geese on friggin thanksgiving

[sumdud]

This is about tactics, not about the kid. Talk about him in the off topic forum.

M1 does fire nukes, but not those that he thinks of.........

[sino52C]

wow,

the F-15 is actually a lot superior to the Mig-25

[Su-27 Pilot]

wow,

the F-15 is actually a lot superior to the Mig-25
Will the Su-27 SM own the Fighting eagle ??

[MIGleader]

in close air combat it probably would, but if it was bvr, the eagle would have a highewr chance of winning.

if china put a new radar like bars or an elta on its su-27s, it could be a formidable match for an f-15.

[Su-27 Pilot]

in close air combat it probably would, but if it was bvr, the eagle would have a highewr chance of winning.

if china put a new radar like bars or an elta on its su-27s, it could be a formidable match for an f-15.

I read some paper on the new Su-27 SM's overall perforamance including its computer and radar and other electronic warfare components which has to be one of the world's top for a fighter jets.

[Gollevainen]

Yes sure SU-27 is formitable warplane, but it has NOTHING to do whit chinese LAND warfare. No more aircraft depate!!

[Su-27 Pilot]

What kind of tactics does the PLA use ?? Their training consist of what ??

It depends on the battlefield. For Taiwan PLA will use "cross-drive forward" which includes MBT and fast armored attack vehicles and infantry advances under the cover from Army aviation and PLAAF.

[MIGleader]

they probably will send advance troops likme paratroopers and marines to gain a foothold in taiwan first, then let them hold out till the army arrives.

[pathfinder]

would you also believe some of the other stuff the kid said?
M1 has hologram projecters
M1 feature ERA
M1 can fire a nuke.

f-15E is mor manuverable than flankers
F-15E feature Hms

m-16 is more reliable than ak-47
m-16 can fire rounds at 1000 yards
Actually the effective range of M-16 is 800 meters or roughly 875 yards so he's not that far off.

[MIGleader]

he was very far off. he beilieved it could go 1000+. at 800m, the m-16 is effective, but by no means against armor, even weak armor.

he said chinese missles are cheap crap that always fail

he said the mauser was a copy of the spring field.

he beilieved the us should have nuked russia and china in the 1950's

he thought russian tanks could only hold one round of ammo

do i need to continue?

[adeptitus]

Does China still use the "human wave" tactic they used in Korea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_wave_attack

Human wave attack is a military term describing a type of assault performed by infantry units, in which soldiers attack in successive line formations.

Such attacks are common in all poorly equipped armies, or where the objective is of strategic importance. It is a tactic that developed out of trench warfare, where artillery or aerial attack often proved ineffective at dislodging the enemy from a firmly held defensive position.

The casualty rate is generally enormous, yet such attacks are often successful and therefore remain an accepted combat technique.

When Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union in 1941, the Soviets fought back with human waves of Red Army troops against both advancing and entrenched enemy soldiers. Usually the Red Army soldiers were told to charge directly in a wide berth to strike every possible point in the German lines. In some battles the Soviets defeated the Germans after sustaining battle losses equal to or more than the German losses. However, in the Winter War, the Soviets found out the hard way that the attack coupled with a "no retreat" policy is highly vulnerable to the motti countertactic, where the attacking party is surrounded and sieged.

There is also the myth that it was a tactic that was employed widely and successfully by the North Korean and Chinese armies during the Korean War, because to the UN troops, the enemy seemed to be everywhere. However, what the communist forces actually used is more aptly described as inflitration assault, since it is necessary to sneak past the enemy and complete the encirclement before heavy fighting begins.

During the 1950s, the Viet Minh, under the command of General Giap, successfully used the human wave attack method against the entrenched French garrison at Dien Bien Phu (Vietnam), shocking the French government into seeking an end to the conflict in Indochina.

Human waves were also rampant in the Iran-Iraq War. Iran was the primary user of these tactics, as it had the less technologically advanced army. Iraq responded with biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction.

Countermeasures to such attacks may also involve extreme firepower superiority, generally of a technologically or organizationally superior nature; for example, the British army used machine guns and organized rifle volleys to great effect against opposing forces armed only with primitive weapons and a few guns.

[adeptitus]

he was very far off. he beilieved it could go 1000+. at 800m, the m-16 is effective, but by no means against armor, even weak armor.
he said chinese missles are cheap crap that always fail
he said the mauser was a copy of the spring field.
<snip>


He got it backwards:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser
"Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. Springfield Rifle, Model 1903, (See 1903 Springfield) was NOT a product-improved Model 98 Mauser. The War Department had exhaustively studied and dissected several examples of the Mauser Model 93 rifle (See 93 Mauser, above) captured during the Spanish-American War, and combined features of both the U.S. Krag Rifle Models 1894-1898, and the Mauser Model 93, to produce the U.S. Springfield Rifle, Model 1903."

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As for his comment on the Chinese missiles:
http://www.taiwanairpower.org/u2_losses.html
http://www.taiwanairpower.org/history/shootdowns.html

I suppose one could argue the SA-2's are Russian and not Chinese.

[MIGleader]

well, he cant call the yj-83 and 85s bad because they are awsome and have better speed and range than a harpoon. the spring field is basically an improved krag with a mauser like stripper feed.

as for human wave, it is a western perception that the chinese and vietnames and japanese will resort to that tactic. the only time when it was actually used was with jap soldiers in ww2. the modern chinese and jap armies would never use such a wasteful tactic.

Who invented the human wave? the west. it was used by the persians, romans, british in the revelution, and more recently, the somme. that battle showed the immense down sides of such a tactic.

[Vanguard1688]

Weird training pics

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-13-1127285373.jpg

[Red Guard]

could anyone tell me what's
Pincer Movement/Double Envelopment tactic ?
thanks.

[Red Guard]

Weird training pics

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-13-1127285373.jpg

this i know. you see, when you holds a pistol or rifle, one of the things is your reaction time and how steady you holds it. well i've never been in the military and never....shot a rifle..before. but i think it's pretty useful. it's one of the commonest training PLA, which this pic is not. in PLA people normally use the canteen, filled with water, or...bricks. and that's the problem, since 95 rifles were issued to the troops, more 95 broke down because of this training.....wow.....

[Vanguard1688]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/2131.jpg

[rommel]

could anyone tell me what's
Pincer Movement/Double Envelopment tactic ?
thanks.

the pincer movement is the most classical tactic you have, a auxiliary force that hold on the ennemy main force and the heavy or main force attack by the 2 wing and envelloped the ennemy force

[Vanguard1688]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-11-1065492575.jpg

[BrotherofSnake]

Why do those soldiers have canteens dangling from the tips of their rifles?

[MIGleader]

it might to reduce muzzle jump, or morel ikely, to make it harder to aim, for training.

[Obcession]

Why do those soldiers have canteens dangling from the tips of their rifles?

Yea, I think it's because they want to make it harder to aim. Or, some sergeant came up with the bright idea of making soldiers do this, so when the soldiers are either wounded in the arms, physically very exhausted, or using a really heavy rifle, they would be able to handle it like they would in perfectly healthy condition.

[Red Guard]

the pincer movement is the most classical tactic you have, a auxiliary force that hold on the ennemy main force and the heavy or main force attack by the 2 wing and envelloped the ennemy force

o, i see, thanks. are you in the reserves?




the aiming question
it's the second strength training thing. not because it's hard to aim.

[PiSigma]

back in the day, they didn't use canteens, they used bricks. they would hang 1 brick, then 2, then 3. the idea is to develop your accuracy with the rifle. with the extra weight on it, it will develop the muscles used to hold the gun, and also help with aiming once the brick is gone, because the soldier will feel so much easier to move and aim with it without the extra weight. if a soldier can keep a gun steady and aim well with a brick or two on it, it will be easier for him to learn to steady his aim when there is no brick.

[rommel]

o, i see, thanks. are you in the reserves?


yes i'm, canadian armed force - land reserve, i'm serving as infantry's Primary Reserve

[Red Guard]

nice, i am trying to get into RHLI, still waiting for my papers.

[Red Guard]

which i hope you don't mind if i ask you a few questions about the reserves.
do they treat you badly while you are there? like do they yell at you, swear at you, and make you feel bad about yourself like in the USMC? and the soldiers with you, do they pick on you too? and is the training very hard? because i have a friend in the armoured, he said he didn't join the infantry because the training in infantry is too hard, you have to carry a very heavy sack (which i don't know how heavy, but it looks very heavy in the video, and big too...) and walk for many kms. which i don't really mind walking, but if you carry and run is the worst part....
basicly, is the life in the infantry reserves, very hard???? both, mentally and physically?

thanks a lot.

[rommel]

which i hope you don't mind if i ask you a few questions about the reserves.
do they treat you badly while you are there? like do they yell at you, swear at you, and make you feel bad about yourself like in the USMC? and the soldiers with you, do they pick on you too? and is the training very hard? because i have a friend in the armoured, he said he didn't join the infantry because the training in infantry is too hard, you have to carry a very heavy sack (which i don't know how heavy, but it looks very heavy in the video, and big too...) and walk for many kms. which i don't really mind walking, but if you carry and run is the worst part....
basicly, is the life in the infantry reserves, very hard???? both, mentally and physically?

thanks a lot.

hi Red Guard, well, if you want to join the infantry, the toughest part is the soldier's basic qualification course and the infantry basic training, when I joined the RMR (this was my first unit, I was latter transfered to the FMR), the worst was really the SQ, tough, very physical and mentally demanding, tip: don't do the SQ in summer, cause if you take it in summer, you'll be at St-Jean... (normally, in the reserve, there is SQ (less rough) given during week-end, at RMR, there was a batch starting in october and the 2nd in january, but i choose the summer one...(very bad choice) it's hard at the beginning only, when you have to pass your 2 qualification, after, it's relax, just watch out, sometime, exercise are very rough either.

[Red Guard]

hi Red Guard, well, if you want to join the infantry, the toughest part is the soldier's basic qualification course and the infantry basic training, when I joined the RMR (this was my first unit, I was latter transfered to the FMR), the worst was really the SQ, tough, very physical and mentally demanding, tip: don't do the SQ in summer, cause if you take it in summer, you'll be at St-Jean... (normally, in the reserve, there is SQ (less rough) given during week-end, at RMR, there was a batch starting in october and the 2nd in january, but i choose the summer one...(very bad choice) it's hard at the beginning only, when you have to pass your 2 qualification, after, it's relax, just watch out, sometime, exercise are very rough either.

thanks for your info, now i am scared......i have to see if i got a buddy or two want to go alone with me.....or...i will change to the artis....i want to join the armoured, but they don't have armoured troop in my city....

[rommel]

thanks for your info, now i am scared......i have to see if i got a buddy or two want to go alone with me.....or...i will change to the artis....i want to join the armoured, but they don't have armoured troop in my city....

BTW, the SQ is for everyone, it's the basic training..., if your friend pass his SQ during the year, that's pretty much easier (he can tell you it consist of what) that what I did during the summer at St-Jean

[Red Guard]

oh my friend is with the York Rangers now. he even has a para wing......

[Vanguard1688]

lol look how far we've come

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-11-1127792887.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-11-1127792938.jpg

[T-U-P]

wow, great comparison. i still like the old winter hat better (not because it has more protection, but because it looks better on soldiers.)

[Red Guard]

ja, that's so true. the designers could be really a dumbXXX sometimes. they just change the good design into some nonesence. i love the old cap too, it looks very form and straight, now the new cap is just a piec of crap.

[Vanguard1688]

what can we infer from picture?
1. Vehicle is a Type 86 tracked APC vs. Type 63 tracked APC
2. Nice cushion seats vs. backless stools
3. Bottom pic is from 127th light mechanized division from Jinan MR.
4. not looking at camera vs. looking at camera

[T-U-P]

what can we infer from picture?
1. Vehicle is a Type 86 tracked APC vs. Type 63 tracked APC
2. Nice cushion seats vs. backless stools
3. Bottom pic is from 127th light mechanized division from Jinan MR.
4. not looking at camera vs. looking at camera
holding the guns vs. not holding the guns. do they always hold the gun like that even in a vehicle back then?

looks determined vs. looks i-want-to-go-home (the guy on the far right in the bottom picture) :rolleyes:

[PiSigma]

those old uniforms looks so sweet. if only i can get my hands on one of those old winter hats!!!! they are warm in winter ( i'm in canada) and looks sweet. and i'm just a good ol communist inside.

[Vanguard1688]

Gotta love those Ushankas!!!

[Su-27 Pilot]

lol look how far we've come

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-11-1127792887.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/post-11-1127792938.jpg

Very nice, what kind of APC is that ?? BMP 1 ??

[President]

PLA paratrooper attack with their light vehicle.
http://forum.mil.sina.com.cn/cgi-bin/view.cgi?gid=71&fid=5168&thread=264143&date=20050930

[Su-27 Pilot]

Does China still use the "human wave" tactic they used in Korea?

Obviously the above is an uneducated statement.

[Red not Dead]

Guys i almost don't see any difference (helmet off course). But Chinese troops fight like before...gun+ammo+troop carrier. Quite a "modern" aproach.





















Ok ok i'm teasing you...

[Vanguard1688]

Very nice, what kind of APC is that ?? BMP 1 ??

As i said earlier, the top vehicle is a type 63 the bottom is a Type 86, which is a modified unlicensed copy of the BMP-1