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tphuang
10-05-2005, 10:39 PM
since there hasn't been a thread on this, I thought I'd start one. I actually have an interesting article on JL-15
《世界兵器》观察员 鲁晓冬
“中国空军目前还是从优秀的二代战机飞行员中选拔三代战机的飞行员。这些飞行员从初级教练机一路飞 上来,飞完二代机再转飞三代机,岁数都很大了。空军需要一种性能与三代战斗机相衔接的高级教练机,直接训练 年轻的三代战机飞行员。”
-L-15高级军用教练机的总设计师张弘
随着第三代先进战斗机逐渐加入中国空军的战斗序列,中国空军迫切需要大量的先进教练机,以训练能够驾御 先进战机的飞行员。9月21日开幕的北京航展上,以生产军用教练机著名的中国洪都航空工业集团宣布,该集团 特为培训第三代战机飞行员而研制的L-15型高级教练机,将于今年11月首飞,于2007年加入中国空军战斗序列。
在航展上,一提到L-15这个机型,洪都集团的工作人员必然提到“三代战机”。
“空军目前还是从优秀的二代战机飞行员中选拔三代战机的飞行员。这些飞行员从初级教练机一路飞上来 ,飞完二代机再转飞三代机,岁数都很大了。空军需要一种性能与三代战斗机相衔接的高级教练机,直接训练年轻 的三代战机飞行员。”L-15高级教练机的总设计师张弘对本报记者说。
“L-15高级教练机的飞行机动性能和敏捷性,与第三代战机十分相似,飞行学员通过L-15的训练,可以很快掌握苏-27等第三代战机的驾驶技术。”张弘说。“另外,飞机上安装的电传操纵系统,可以模拟多种三代战机 的驾驶感觉,飞行员可以在L-15上学习这些第三代战机的飞行技术,而所花的训练成本却只有三代战机的八分之一。”
当被问到将于2007年交付使用的L-15多少钱可以买一架时,洪都集团的母公司——中国航空工业第二集团的副总经理徐占斌说:“大 约1500万美元”,而总设计师张弘则点点头笑而不语。
This is published by a magazine called "World Weapons" in China.
It basically states that L-15 will be out by 2007 and will cost approximately 15 million US each. As we probably have read, L-15 finished assembling the first prototype a day ahead of the schedule, it's scheduled to fly in November and join plaaf in 2007. It's going to be an interesting battle between JL-9 and JL-15 considering that plaaf is already purchasing 10 JL-9 next year.
MIGleader
10-06-2005, 03:47 PM
15 mil? that may be a bit expensive to be real. thats how much an fc-1 costs.
the pla is probably using jl-9 to upgrade its inventory, ewhile using l-15 for elite units.
tphuang
10-06-2005, 09:00 PM
I'm not sure how much China is selling K-8 and JL-9, but JL-15 is designed probably for more than just trainer. If you look at its specs, it might be used for attack missions and such.
tphuang
10-18-2005, 09:35 PM
more on L-15, seems like the news keep on getting better
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/news/568/20051019/12762968.html
据航空报报道:10月5日,L15高教机燃油系统地面模拟试验完成了首飞前的各项试验,比原定节点提前 10天。为L15高教机首飞奠定了有力的科学基础。这是L15高教机首飞前必做的重大型试验项目之一,燃油 系统地面模拟试验是全面考核L15高教机在飞行过程中燃油系统设计方案和原理的正确性、合理性,这一试验的 圆满完成,必将给L15高教机研制试验战线上的广大参研人员极大的激励和鞭策。
目前首架L15高教机已进入试飞站,以全力推进L15高教机的研制生产进程,年内实现L15高教机首飞 。
basically, it's saying that the first L-15 made it to the flight center 10 days before the schedule.
adeptitus
10-19-2005, 01:11 AM
I'm not sure how much China is selling K-8 and JL-9, but JL-15 is designed probably for more than just trainer. If you look at its specs, it might be used for attack missions and such.
There are no sales of JL-9 or JL-15 to date, but here's some info on K-8 prices:
http://www.paktribune.com/exclusive/exclusivedetails.php?id=70
"The $20 million K-8 advanced jet trainer has been jointly designed and produced by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra and China's Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Company (NAMC) and is manufactured at NAMC. Pakistan had earlier unilaterally developed a similar aircraft, but sought a partnership with China to further advance production and technology standards of that aircraft."
http://www.thezimbabwean.co.uk/22-april-2005/fighter-jets.html
22 April 2005
Cash strapped Mugabe buys jets
BY VIOLET GONDA
"The cash strapped government of President Robert Mugabe has purchased six jet fighters - cheap Chinese versions of the British Aerospace BAE Hawk. The price tag for one jet is said to be between 10 and 20 million US dollars. Reasonable to some but expensive to our debt-ridden country."
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2004-weekly/busrev-27-09-2004/index.html
China is Pakistan’s main defence supplier. The two countries have cooperated on a number of projects, including joint production of the K-8 jet trainer aircraft.
The K-8 has already been inducted into the Pakistan air force and has also been sold to several other countries, including a $ 40 million deal for the sale of 10 planes to Saudi Arabia that is currently in the pipeline.
The K-8, a new generation jet trainer, has been co-developed by China National Aero Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC), China Nanching Aircraft Manufacturing Company and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), a facility set up by the Pakistan Air Force at Kamra, 50 miles north of Rawalpindi.
As a low-cost jet trainer with a price tag of $ 4 million per copy, the K-8 is considered the optimum cost-effective solution for the training role, and will eventually replace the entire fleet of T-37 jet trainers at the PAF Air Academy, Risalpur. The K-8 has also been inducted into the Chinese air force, as well as into the air forces of Myanmar and Zambia.
In October 2000, Egypt, too, decided to induct the K-8 into its air force. It plans to buy 80 K-8s, in a deal worth $ 347 million, including the cost of crew training and logistic support. Between 25 to 45 per cent of this $ 347 million will come to Pakistan, under the terms of its joint manufacturing agreement with China. Several other countries, including Zimbabwe and Namibia have also shown interest in buying the K-8.
http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTPROC.HTM
"September 8, 2005: China has sold 80 K-8E jet trainers to Egypt, for $4.4 million each. The price includes the transfer of manufacturing technology, so that the aircraft can be assembled in Egypt. The 4.2 ton K-8 is a joint Chinese-Pakistani design. Some of the parts are made in Pakistan, but the aircraft were assembled in China. It was expected that the Chinese air force would adopt the K-8, but the air force refused, citing the large number of aircraft parts manufactured in a foreign nation (Pakistan). First deliveries of the K-8 were made in 1996 (six each to the Chinese and Pakistani air forces.) Pakistan didn't buy the K-8 either, deciding it would be cheaper to refurb its existing T-37 trainers. China eventually bought 30, and Pakistan 8. Five other nations bought small quantities of the K-8 since then (Morocco 20, Burma 12, Namibia 4, Sri Lanka 9 and Zambia 8). The sale to Egypt is the first substantial one. "
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I think there's a pretty big unit price flux between Pakistan, which prolly added PAC's R&D costs, to small number sales, and large orders with local assembly.
IMO $15 mil unit price for a L-15 is not an unreasonable number. China charges more than that for a new J-7/MiG-21 for Nigeria.
tphuang
10-29-2005, 12:10 PM
according to war-sky, JL-15 successfully completed its first flight at 1:20 PM yesterday. Good news for sure.
swimmerXC
11-06-2005, 11:43 PM
im sure there are countries out there who would by JL-9, i mean if they bought the K-8..
well poor countries might by the JL-15, b/c it's cheap and can be used as a small attack craft (kinda like a mini-J-7) and trainer... 2 for 1 deal...
im sure there are countries out there who would by JL-9, i mean if they bought the K-8..
well poor countries might by the JL-15, b/c it's cheap and can be used as a small attack craft (kinda like a mini-J-7) and trainer... 2 for 1 deal...
hey nice thinking, but would they be better off to buy fc-1 (if it is only 15 mil)
tphuang
11-07-2005, 01:10 AM
there is not a chance that FC-1 will be sold for anything less than $20 million with those new modification. Even the F-7Ns sold to Nigeria were like $18 million each, but that probably included upgraded radar and missiles.
MIGleader
11-07-2005, 05:23 PM
there is not a chance that FC-1 will be sold for anything less than $20 million with those new modification. Even the F-7Ns sold to Nigeria were like $18 million each, but that probably included upgraded radar and missiles.
they included a traiinig and weapons package, along with spares. that will kick up the price. pakistan can manufacture its own parts and train its own pilots for fc-1.
Sczepan
11-09-2005, 02:17 PM
some pix
peace_lover
11-10-2005, 12:18 PM
Actually , one JL-15 costs 15 million RMB, 15 million USD , i read it in a chinese magzine last evening . I am from china
MIGleader
11-10-2005, 03:42 PM
Actually , one JL-15 costs 15 million RMB, 15 million USD , i read it in a chinese magzine last evening . I am from china
how did 15 million rmb=15 million usd? 15 million usd(which is far more likely) is 120 rmb.
most of us know that 1 USD=8 RMb, DONT NEED TO REMIND US!
Actually , one JL-15 costs 15 million RMB, 15 million USD , i read it in a chinese magzine last evening . I am from china
errr 15million RMB, china would have massproduced it
tphuang
11-17-2005, 10:05 PM
http://mil.qianlong.com/4919/2005/11/17/228@2888716.htm
not sure if this is official, but qianlong is one of the well known Chinese sites, so this is most likely true.
千龙网北京11月17日讯 截止11月10日,
由洪都航空工业集团公司自行研制的L15高教机已完成了全机燃油、液压、静力、发动机启封开车等首飞前必做 的地面试验任务,其余重大地面试验正按“保质量、保节点”要求向前推进,确保L15高教机年内 首飞。
10月5日下午, L15高教机燃油系统地面模拟试验完成了首飞前的各项试验,数据显示试验符合设计要求。这是L15高教机首 飞前必做的重大试验项目之一,燃油系统地面模拟试验是全面考核L15高教机在飞行过程中燃油系统设计方案和 原理的正确性与合理性。
10月13日晚上9时许,L15高教机液压系统全机地面模拟试验顺利结束,整个地面试验状态良好,过到 了预期设计目的。L15高教机液压系统全机地面模拟试验是L15首飞前必做的重点大型试验项目之一,它用于 验证L15高教机液压系统功能是否满足设计要求,导管、成件、附件在各种工作状态下的安全可靠性,评估液压 系统抗故障能力。
10月14日下午4时许,L15高教机全机悬空静力14项试验顺利完成,各项数据符合试验大纲要求。这 是L15高教机首飞前必做的重大试验项目之一, L15高教机全机悬空静力试验是一项试验飞机在外界的作用下,机械运动状态保持不变(平衡)的条件。
10月27-30日,对L15高教机发动机进行“左、右”发冷试车、慢车等各种状态下试车,试车中发动机各项数据工作正 常。
11月6日上午9时许,又对L15高教机发动机进行地面试车。启动“双发”成功,随后“双发”进入慢车 、中速、大转速,中速、慢车等各种工作状态,地面各项测试数据显示和机上各项测试数据显示,“双发”在各状 态下工作一切正常,符合L15高教机设计要求,至此,L15高教机发动机阶段性地面试车工作圆 满完成。
另据消息,L15高教机机翼、座舱盖静力试验即将开始,各项前期准备工作都已就绪。 01架全机震动试验11月中旬结束。 近期内L15高教机将进行地面滑行试验。
sumdud
12-18-2005, 10:15 PM
F-7Ns? When were these bought?
It isn't from the deal Nigeria asked for in the last couple of months, was it?
What modifications did it have to have it cost 18 million?
A F-7 costing more than a FC-1, JL-8 at 20 million, and L-15 at 15 million?!
How in the world can JL-8 cost more than L-15.......
In what currency did all these numbers come from?
Sczepan
12-23-2005, 05:24 PM
sorry, can't edit the headline,
should be wrote
"JL-9 to entering service?"
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-12/23/content_3960805.htm
New generation of trainer aircraft passes appraisal
www.chinaview.cn 2005-12-23 15:16:51
GUIYANG, Dec. 23 (Xinhuanet) -- China's new generation of trainer aircraft, the JL9, has passed appraisal by a state-level expert panel in Guiyang, southwest China's Guizhou Province.
The JL9 advanced trainer aircraft has proven very good performances at takeoffs, landings and during flight and can effectively perform pilot training mission, said Song Wencong, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Engineering and head of the appraisal team.
"The aircraft is equipped with an advanced avionic system and its cabin design is very similar to that of the third-generation fighter aircraft," he said.
JL9 has multifunctional displays that make it easier for the pilot to acquire, access and use data, said Song.
The aircraft, designed and manufactured independently by Guizhou Aviation Industrial Group, had the first successful trial flight at the end of 2003.
The 18-month state appraisal test started in June 2004, and by the end of November, the two JL9 aircraft under test had flown for 300 hours and had 412 takeoffs and landings.
....."
adeptitus
12-23-2005, 05:52 PM
F-7Ns? When were these bought?
It isn't from the deal Nigeria asked for in the last couple of months, was it?
What modifications did it have to have it cost 18 million?
A F-7 costing more than a FC-1, JL-8 at 20 million, and L-15 at 15 million?!
How in the world can JL-8 cost more than L-15.......
In what currency did all these numbers come from?
Here's an old blurp on Nigeria's F-7NI purchase:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/09/nigeria-spends-251m-for-chinese-f7-fighters-after-oil-deals/index.php
Reuters reports that Nigeria's government has approved a $251 million USD purchase of 15 fighter and trainer aircraft from China, further strengthening ties between the two countries after a series of significant oil deals.
I think they took that photo from Sinodefense site. -_-;;
The $251 million deal includes 12 single-seat F-7NI fighters and 3 FT-7NI trainers, plus associated equipment. The average price per aircraft is $16.7 million USD, but the package also includes support, munitions, training, etc.
The unit price of a combat aircraft varies widely depending on the number of aircraft sold and package included. Usually, if you buy fewer planes, the unit price will be high.
sumdud
12-24-2005, 12:17 AM
errr 15million RMB, china would have massproduced it
Well, you can't mass produce something that isn't out yet.
The thing isn't even flying yet.
That thing would be nice though.
The JL-9 is more of a cross between a JJ-7 and a FC-1.....
It'll be perfect for countries that are crash strapped and operates FC-1s and similar fighters primarily.
I think they took that photo from Sinodefense site. -_-;;
That's good.
Plus, when you look at the article, click on "F-7/J-7" and you will go to sinodefence. Dude, sinodefence is being recognized.
But there is nothing about the F-7N and NI.
tphuang
12-29-2005, 04:44 PM
sorry, can't edit the headline,
should be wrote
"JL-9 to entering service?"
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-12/23/content_3960805.htm
New generation of trainer aircraft passes appraisal
www.chinaview.cn 2005-12-23 15:16:51
GUIYANG, Dec. 23 (Xinhuanet) -- China's new generation of trainer aircraft, the JL9, has passed appraisal by a state-level expert panel in Guiyang, southwest China's Guizhou Province.
The JL9 advanced trainer aircraft has proven very good performances at takeoffs, landings and during flight and can effectively perform pilot training mission, said Song Wencong, an academician with the Chinese Academy of Engineering and head of the appraisal team.
"The aircraft is equipped with an advanced avionic system and its cabin design is very similar to that of the third-generation fighter aircraft," he said.
JL9 has multifunctional displays that make it easier for the pilot to acquire, access and use data, said Song.
The aircraft, designed and manufactured independently by Guizhou Aviation Industrial Group, had the first successful trial flight at the end of 2003.
The 18-month state appraisal test started in June 2004, and by the end of November, the two JL9 aircraft under test had flown for 300 hours and had 412 takeoffs and landings.
....."
There is a serous logjam in China's trainer industry. Seriously, I can't imagine how China can be purchasing from 3 different trainer programs. JL-9 will be in a huge problem once JL-15 becomes available. Plaaf might get 30 JL-9s, but that would be it. Export will also be a huge problem, since K-8 has already taken over all of China's traditional markets and JL-15 will be more attractive.
Deino
03-13-2006, 10:53 AM
The Hongdu L-15 had it's maiden flight today !!!!
tphuang
03-13-2006, 12:15 PM
few more pics
http://www.cjdby.net/UploadFile/2006-3/200631322243436419.jpg
http://www.cjdby.net/UploadFile/2006-3/200631322245550643.jpg
http://www.cjdby.net/UploadFile/2006-3/200631322274926619.jpg
http://www.cjdby.net/UploadFile/2006-3/200631322195485950.jpg
more pictures of this. There have been so many false reports of L-15 lifting off. At least this one looks real.
Great pictures.
And look real to me, also all the rumors were saying the JL15 will fly this month.
MIGleader
03-13-2006, 05:12 PM
There is a serous logjam in China's trainer industry. Seriously, I can't imagine how China can be purchasing from 3 different trainer programs. JL-9 will be in a huge problem once JL-15 becomes available. Plaaf might get 30 JL-9s, but that would be it. Export will also be a huge problem, since K-8 has already taken over all of China's traditional markets and JL-15 will be more attractive.
I was thinking that the PLAAf might choose to replace all of it's existing k-8s and jj-7's with jl-9's. Some of the more elite units might get the jl-15. As the next decade rolls in, more jl-9s would get replaced by jl-15s.
To sum things up, the jl-9 is mostly going to be a stopgap aircraft until the jl-15 can be produced in sufficient numbers. Maybe some jl-9s can be sold to Pakistan to train FC-1 pilots. Since it has passed appraisel tests, we might see a few jl-9s enter service as early as later this year.
BTW, does the jl-15 have a radar?
Vlad Plasmius
03-13-2006, 06:02 PM
I think JL-8 is a basic trainer while Jl-9 and Jl-15 are advanced trainers. It likely means the training would follow:
JL-8 then JL-15/JL-9 and then a trainer depending on what squadron they're entering such as Su-27UBK for a Flanker squadron, J-10B for a J-10 squadron etc.
I think the idea of JL-15 being used for more advanced aircraft is right. Older flankers, the J-7, J-8, and FC-1 will probably have pilots trained with JL-9.
tphuang
03-13-2006, 07:57 PM
well, the production rate for JL-9 was said to only be about 10 next year, so JL-15 has plenty of space to make up on and it has also been tauted as a possible attacker on a future carrier. I can't imagine it not having a PD radar.
Anyhow, it looks like this is official now, since even xinhua is posting it.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2006-03/13/content_4299594.htm
我国自主研发新型高级教练机L-15首飞成功
新华网南昌3月13日电(刘济美)我国自主研发的L15“猎鹰”新型高级教练机,13日在中航第二集团公司 属下的江西洪都航空工业集团公司首飞成功。
据洪都集团公司董事长田民介绍,L15“猎鹰”高级教练机是一种融合了多项最新航空技术的新一代超音速喷气 式教练机,采用双发双座,具有先进的气动布局、高度综合的航空电子系统、国内先进的电传控制系统和高密度的 结构布局,具有第三代战斗机的大迎角机动飞行能力和高敏捷性,可用于飞行学员的基础改装训练或作为“伴随” 教练机进行战术训练,有多项外挂能力。
L15“猎鹰”高级教练机的首飞成功,对于完善我国初、中、高级教练机的研制生产体系,满足第三代和新型飞 机飞行员的训练需要,竞争国际教练机市场都具有重要的意义。在此之前,洪都集团公司自主研制的K8(雄鹰) 基础教练机,已运用于国内的飞行训练并批量出口。(完)
首架L15高教机总装完成提前交付试飞站(组图)
继L15高教机在第十一届北京国际航空展览会上凸显风采之后,洪都航空工业集团公司L15高教机总装现场再 传捷报。
9月29日
下午4时整,洪都集团公司自行研制的L15高教机总装提前一天顺利交付试飞站。L15高教机总装交付标志着 该机又迈上了一个新台阶,更重要的是年内实现首飞可以成为现实。
Andrew
03-14-2006, 05:33 PM
I may be totally wrong with my observation but the front section of the fuselage (the way the "nose" is shaped, in particular) reminds me a little of the F-22. Could this be an attempt at trying to bring some stealthy aspects into the design and use the experience gained for later fighter projects? :confused:
F-22 (http://www.f22fighter.com/6-8-03-a.jpg)
L-15 (http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=210&d=1142265176)
Deino
03-14-2006, 05:38 PM
:china: ....
swimmerXC
03-14-2006, 05:41 PM
I was thinking that the PLAAf might choose to replace all of it's existing k-8s and jj-7's with jl-9's. Some of the more elite units might get the jl-15. As the next decade rolls in, more jl-9s would get replaced by jl-15s.
To sum things up, the jl-9 is mostly going to be a stopgap aircraft until the jl-15 can be produced in sufficient numbers. Maybe some jl-9s can be sold to Pakistan to train FC-1 pilots. Since it has passed appraisel tests, we might see a few jl-9s enter service as early as later this year.
BTW, does the jl-15 have a radar?
Nobody makes just a trainer with probably zero-zero ejection seats and able to carry drop tanks
The thing is also two engined, I wouldn't be surprised if it eneded up on the Varyag (if it ever becomes a carrier, I'm still sticking to casino)
Deino
03-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Video of the L-15's first flight in Mandarin (Windows media player required) :
http://tokyo.cool.ne.jp/aka666/pak/14423797.wmv
Cheers, Deino
tphuang
04-01-2006, 11:28 PM
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/Get/WQZB/04011226332.htm
This is on L-15 an interview with its chief engineer
蓝天交响的总指挥记洪都L15(猎鹰)高教机总设计师张弘
2006年3月13日,L15(猎鹰)高级教练机首飞成功,这是个将永远镌刻在中国航空史上的不寻常的 日子,同时这一天也镌刻着一个既平凡又伟大的名字――L15(猎鹰)高级教练机总设计师、洪都飞机设计所所 长张弘。
L-15's first flight was on March 13th
张弘,一个普普通通的名字,连接着的却是祖国航空事业的骄傲。一个并不伟岸的身躯,托起的却是翱翔蓝天 的雄鹰。这个没有豪言壮语的汉子,用他的智慧和心血,将一部壮美的蓝天交响曲演绎得美仑美奂, 响彻云霄。
一种赶超国际先进水平的全新飞机――L15(猎鹰)高级教练机,要在仅仅两年多时间里,从设计、到试制 、到首飞上天,这在航空界无疑是个奇迹。 L15(猎鹰)高教机是洪都集团自主创新、自筹资金、自主研发的新一代喷气式超音速高级教练机,她的首飞成 功,首屈一指,当属张弘。在他的指挥下,由几百名设计员组成的蓝天交响乐团,将洪都集团视为生命工程的 L15(猎鹰)高教机的研制战歌,演奏得波澜壮阔、气势恢弘。
a very advanced plane like L-15 trainer. In two+ years, it went from design to test to first flight, extremely rare. L-15 is Hongdu's privately funded and designed supersonic trainer
张弘认为,梦想是支撑一个人不断向前的根本动力,因为有了梦想,原本平淡的生活才会变得富有生机,张弘 的梦想就是有朝一日能够看见自己主持设计的飞机翱翔在祖国的蓝天。为了这个梦想,他甘于寂寞,甘于平淡;勤 于学习,勤于研究;从未气馁,从未停歇。自他1984年毕业于南京华东工程学院自动武器专业以来,就一直在 洪都集团从事飞机设计和科研管理工作,先后主持和参加了10多种机型的研制,经验丰富,硕果累累,多项成果 为国内首创。其中在某型号工程任副总设计师期间,他主持某通信系统的研制工作,采用的多项技术属国内首创, 并在很短的时间内取得了重大进展,被中航二集团和有关部门联合评定为一等奖。
introduces to the chief engineer and his work and experience and such.
在科研管理方面,张弘显示出了他独特的才能。在飞机所任副所长期间,他主持了某工程研制保障条件建设。 由于他思维超前,敢于创新,善于管理,精心组织,使飞机设计所多个试验室的试验能力迈上了新的台阶,特别是 电磁兼容试验室通过改造后,目前已成为我国同行业中设备最先进、试验能力最强的试验室。
追赶老鹰的猎人,绝不会因为树上的小鸟而停下。对于历史的长河来说,20年是短暂的,但这短暂的20年 ,占据的却是四分之一的人生,二分之一的事业生涯。在这20年里,张弘从未停留,为了追赶自己的梦想,他放 弃的是休闲娱乐、是天伦孝悌、是高薪显位,比常人更多的是付出和责任,他刻苦学习,潜心耕耘,默默奉献,从 一名普通的飞机设计员,成长为专业技术带头人、研究员级高级工程师。
more on that, just usual boasting
机遇总是青睐有准备的人。2003年,洪都集团将眼光瞄准世界前沿,着手开发新一代高级教练机L1 5,并任命张弘为L15总设计师,2004年,由于新老交替,张弘又被任命为飞机设计所所长,两个重担几乎 同时落在了他的肩上。
In 2003, Hongdu Introduced that it is developing a next generation high level trainer - L-15
面对L15研制周期短,技术难度大,关键技术储备不够等诸多困难,张弘临危不乱,从容应对,缜密分析, 超前思考,团结班子成员,发挥了总设计师系统的集体智慧和力量,调动了全体参研人员的积极性,使各项工作有 条不紊地陆续展开。从2003年9月开始,飞机设计所实行611工作制,全体参研人员在张弘的带领下, 每周工作6天,每天工作11个小时,于2003年11月,顺利完成了L15飞机总体方案设计工作;2004 年3月,完成了L15高教机的初步设计。2004年6月,中航第二集团公司在南昌主持召开了L15高教机总 体技术方案设计评审会,评审组一致认为L15型高教机可以冻结技术状态,转入详细设计。
beginning in september 2003, plane development center worked with lab 611. By November 2003, completed L-15's main design procedure, by March 2004, finished L-15's initial development, in june, held a technical review with AVIC2. The panel believes L-15 can enter detailed design
按照常规,全新设计一架飞机,从冻结技术状态到完成详细设计至少需要一年时间。但张弘想,如果这样的话 ,后面还要进行工艺设计、工装的设计与制造、零件的试制,然后才是飞机的初装、总装和试飞,L15高教机要 按节点首飞根本就无法实现。这绝对不行,这样说明我们无能,我们一定要发扬胡锦涛总书记来洪都视察时提出的 只争朝夕,奋力登攀的精神,全力拼搏,决不能让L15首飞的列车在飞机设计所晚点。
紧张的战斗开始了。张弘率先打破了611工作制,坚持每周7天都上班,而且总是最早到,最晚走,几 乎每天工作到深夜,有时候甚至是通霄达旦,每天睡眠时间平均不到5个小时,能睡个好觉对他来说真的是一种奢 望。他的家离工厂有10多公里,他开车回家常常会因疲倦把车开到半路停下来打个盹,再接着开回家。出差坐飞 机对他来说是最大的享受,因为在飞机上手机必须关掉,而此时恰恰是睡觉的大好时机。作为型号总师,又是设计 所所长,他不仅要决策技术问题,还要处理许多行政事务,所里的同志一致公认他精力充沛,就是中午吃饭的时间 ,他也要处理很多文件。他的脑子整天都在飞快地转,会议一个接着一个,需要他解决和协调的问题也是一个接着 一个,他总是安排得轻重有秩,急缓有序,有条不紊。碰到技术问题,他沉着应战,带领大家逐一进行梳理,不解 决问题决不罢休;碰到行政问题,他也要妥善解决,处理问题不过夜。2004年底,正值详细设计进入攻坚阶段 ,飞机设计所要召开职工代表大会,这天,张弘处理完技术问题已是半夜,这时才开始起草翌日会上的所长工作报 告,直到凌晨4点。第二天,他按时到会并作报告。
张弘的行动激励着大家,在他的感召和带领下,飞机设计所全体参研人员发扬不怕疲劳和连续作战的作风,仅 用了6个月的时间,就完成了L15高教机的详细设计,并于2005年初发出了全套样机试制图纸,创造了航空 史上的新奇迹,为实现首飞争取了时间。
talks more about the hard work and such, in 6 months, they completed detailed design of L-15, came out with full blueprint by early 2005.
张弘说:作为型号总师和行政一把手,光带个好头是不够的,关键在于管理和创新。
张弘提倡以人为本,共创和谐工作环境。他温文尔雅,文质彬彬,对部属从不严加指责,更不罔加批评,而是 和风细雨,一言中的,切中关键和要害,他的睿智和人格魅力让他不怒自威。在工作中他非常重视培养锻炼年轻人 ,关心老同志,为使高教机研制工作顺利进行,他把已退休的老同志请来所里座谈,请他们献计献策,广泛听取意 见和建议;在大干的日子里,大家没日没夜地加班加点,他倡导给全所职工家属发慰问信,使型号研制工作得到职 工家属的理解和支持;在型号研制中,他推广新技术,推行项目管理,任务落实到人,责任到人;在高教机进入初 装、总装和首飞前各项试验的日子里,他及时成立高教机现场服务组,要求设计人员在第一时间赶到现场处理问题 ,确保工序正常运转,各项试验万无一失。
自主创新是洪都集团一贯的主导思想,也是飞机设计所多年来坚持的生存法则。张弘认为,要使L15高教机 具有强大的生命力,就必须赶超当今世界先进水平,突破气动、结构、航电、飞控等一批关键技术,踩在巨人肩膀 上寻求新的发展。所以首先在L15的总体设计方案上,就瞄准了世界航空产品的先进技术,按照第三代和新型战 斗机的训练要求,进行了全新设计,并且从设计、工艺到生产制造全面实现数字化,采用并行工程,数字化建模、 电子样机协调。在设计之初,试验、工艺系统就开始介入,了解设计方案,在方案设计阶段就充分考虑工艺性问题 ;在详细设计阶段,成立设计与工程联合项目组,设计与工艺部门充分地协调,大大缩短了工程制造阶段周期。这 些举措在国内新机设计史上绝无仅有。
张弘认为,创新是需要勇气的,但更需要的是智慧和科学方法。电传飞控系统是L15高教机的一大亮点,然 而当时在确定研制方案时,很多同志不赞成采用电传飞控系统,认为技术难度大,研制风险高,弄不好有可能失败 。但张弘没有退缩,他认为既然要研制新机,就必须瞄准世界航空技术前沿,虽然飞控系统研制对于洪都集团来说 还是空白,而且时间也很紧,但通过科学分析还是可行的。作为总设计师,他坚持了自己的观点。他带领总师系统 仅用一年时间就建起了一个全新的飞控试验室,同时充分借鉴国内外的研制成果,完成了飞控系统的研制工作。这 一创新,使L15高教机成为国内第一个采用三轴四余度数字式电传飞行控制系统的教练机,其飞控计算机和舵机 采用了最新技术,一举达到国际先进水平。另外,L15先进的综合航电系统和良好的人机界面、大边条翼身融合 体布局设计等,都是国内最先进的水平,不仅达到了三代机水平,而且兼顾了第四代战斗机的设计特 点和要求。
L-15 is the domestic trainer to use 3-axis quadriplex FBW, it's flight control computer, cockpit all use the latest technology, equal to world class level, L-15's integrated avionics, excellent user interface and large leading edge extension design are all the most advanced in domestic capability. Not only reached 3rd generation capability (3rd generation in China=4th generation), it also has some 4th generation design.
四
张弘是个性情中人。在2006年3月13日猎鹰首飞的时刻,我们发现张弘并没有在主席台就坐,而是始终 站在跑道旁,并且戴了一副浓浓的墨镜。他守护在跑道旁,关切地注视着猎鹰的起跑、加速、抬头、起飞、直插云 霄,就像关注着自己精心培育的航空骄子的诞生。那副墨镜是他刻意准备的,他怕自己控制不住而流泪,但看见飞 机展翅蓝天的时候,他还是摘下了眼镜,不停地擦拭着眼角的泪花。这是喜极而泣,但其中蕴涵的艰辛和酸楚却是 常人所难以想象的。
张弘不是超人,他没有特异功能,他做到的只是比别人付出得更多。在实行611工作制以后,他不但要 处理好没完没了的技术问题和行政工作,而且还经常关心职工生活,嘘寒问暖,多次到职工食堂了解职工的伙食状 况。但人们也许并不知道,张弘患有严重的胆结石,常常疼痛难当,他夫人多次催他做手术,他却总是说没有时间 ,每次疼起来就强忍着,体检也多项指标超标。由于按医嘱食堂有的饭菜不能吃,他便经常靠吃饼干和方便面充饥 。人们都说他精力充沛,其实他是在透支生命,张弘说:为了生命工程,透支生命也是值得的。飞机设计所在 决战期间,为了及时沟通情况,每天晚上党政主要领导都要碰头,安排第二天的工作,由于他要做的事太多,党政 领导碰头总是放在最后,党委书记已经习惯了在晚上11点以后碰头,有时甚至等到凌晨1、2点也 雷打不动。
张弘是个很有家庭责任感的人,他爱他的妻子和女儿,为了生命工程,他却很难顾及家庭。由于担负的重 任,他一刻也不能停,往往是从办公室直接到机场,出差回来又从机场直接回到办公室,然后直到深夜才回家。有 时太晚回家,他总是不洗脸、不洗脚,偷偷溜到床上躺下,生怕发出声响吵醒爱人和女儿,以至于家人都取笑他不 讲卫生。
张弘的女儿在作文中写到:曾听说父亲是山,能够给予你最沉重的爱;曾听说父亲是海,能够给予你最广大的 胸怀;也曾听说父亲是灯,能够给你照亮前方最远的路;而我说父亲是书,他告诉你人生的意义所在 。
adeptitus
04-02-2006, 03:36 AM
Hmmm...
I noticed that the JL-15 resembles the YAK-130, like how the K-8 looks a bit like the BAE HAWK.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/yak_13012.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/
What do you guys think?
tphuang
04-02-2006, 03:17 PM
Hmmm...
I noticed that the JL-15 resembles the YAK-130, like how the K-8 looks a bit like the BAE HAWK.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/yak_13012.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/
What do you guys think?
It's no secret that Hongdu got a lot of help from yakolev on this project, so that's why they look so similar. Also, it got the leading edge extension like the bug.
Anyhow, comparison of the two.
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/important/64/20060314/images/13168474_2006031410594220233600.jpg
Deino
04-03-2006, 09:57 AM
Hehe ... it got some paint !
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=119347
... and another one !
http://www.china-defense.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51&d=1144074170
Cheers, Deino :D
petty officer1
04-05-2006, 03:42 PM
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5169/20060405/1274/254981/254981.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5169/20060405/1274/254981/254982.jpg
With the new painted L-15 sure looks nicer than the unpainted yellow ones!
tphuang
04-06-2006, 01:42 AM
another interview with chief engineer:
I will translate it later, interesting article, but I would really suggest you guys check out the pricing. It talks about FC-1 being 10 million each and L-15's cost can be reduced to 12 million each. What can I say? Chinese fighters == cheap. It talks about the lift off distance of L-15 is only 200 meters and it can serve the role of su-25 on a carrier.
http://mil.qianlong.com/4919/2006/04/06/2420@3098854.htm
千龙军事再度独家专访L-15总设计师张弘(图)
http://www.qianlong.com/ 2006-04-06 10:01:20
手记:4月2日,在L-15信息交流会上,众多媒体同行对洪都集团的众位领导频频发问。而我却在记者席上平静而耐心的等待着会议的 结束。因为我所准备的和代表网友要提出的问题,在场的大部分人其实并不感兴趣,而且很多问题在正式的会场上 是得不到回答的,我必须等待会后的机会。
会议一结束,
我就冲到刚刚离座的张宏总师面前,恭敬地递上名片:张弘总师您好,我是千龙网军事频道记者,04年的珠海 航展上我们频道记者的宋大昭曾对您进行过专访,这次我也想与您有一个交流的机会。
张宏总师看看名片,微微一笑:有印象,但是我们还是另找个时间吧。
我并未死心,听说张总师也和我们一起用自助午餐,就决定在饭桌上围堵。在餐厅里当看到张总师选好了 一个位置之后,就装模作样的随便夹了一盘,就蹭到了张总师的边上等待,同桌的还有洪都集团的总工程师姚志。 当张总师端着餐碟归来,几句客套的寒暄之后,我们就切入了正题。下面就是问答实录:
L-15参加珠海航展希望不大
千龙军事记者:张总设计师,L-15这次计划制造几架原型机?
张弘总师:我们计划造三架,01架(也就是首飞的这架)和03架试飞,02架做静力试验。
千龙军事记者:这么少?
张弘总师:对,这是因为一个是我们自筹资金研制的项目,经费比较紧张。二是我们要在试飞过程中,就充分 验证L15高可靠性、高效费比,易维护的特性。要用2架飞机做到持续试飞、大强度试飞,充分证明我们飞机的 优越,这是我们的自信。
千龙军事记者:那01机3月13号首飞到现在有没有在做过试飞呢?
张弘总师:01机这一个月主要是在喷漆,比较用心的喷了几道漆,也就是为了让大家今天看到比较漂亮的效 果。等汇报飞行表演完了之后下一步就进行大强度试飞。等03机造出来也一起投入进去。(千龙军事记者注:据 洪都集团其他高层透露,03机将会像FC-1的04机那样有不小的变化,并确定是03机要达到定型的技术状态,而且03机很可能会换装AI-222)。
千龙军事记者:那么今天的珠海航展,L15有没有可能实机参展并作飞行表演呢?
张弘总师:珠海航展的事情还没有完全定,像去年北京航展那样派1:1木模是没有多大问题的,实机能不能 去还得上级领导定夺,毕竟会影响试飞。至于做飞行表演,珠海航展还没有允许过让尚未定型的飞机作飞行表演, 尽管我们有信心,但怕要在珠海现场飞行是不可能的了。
千龙军事记者:那可就是珠海航展的遗憾了,
关于发动机问题,我现在看几种报道,都还没搞明白现在用的DV-2S究竟算哪国的发动机,俄罗斯、乌克兰还是斯洛伐克?
张弘总师:斯洛伐克的。发动机的核心机是俄罗斯联盟所搞的,以前华约阵营分工协作的问题,所以现在 这款发动机的各种衍生型在俄罗斯、乌克兰、斯洛伐克都有。
千龙军事记者:那么L-15的两款发动机DV-2S和AI-222-25F性能参数上有什么区别么?
张弘总师:两款大的基本参数差不多,但是AI-222毕竟是新发动机,要先进一点,比如它是全权数控的。
千龙军事记者:那么为什么没有首先采用AI-222-25F呢?
张弘总师:它还没有完全定型,尽管雅克130用的也是这一款,但是他正式的定型还没全部完成,雅克那边 还在等,我们也在等。
千龙军事记者:那么如果以后自用型的涡扇-11及其改进型号替代,是否户影响性能呢?有传言说K-8用国产机后推力性能下降。
张弘总师:K8用国产机稍有下降,但没什么大影响。主要是加减速性能差点。
千龙军事记者:那么关于 株洲608那边对涡扇-11改进型的情况,您能介绍一下您掌握的情况呢?
张弘总师:兄弟合作单位的事情我不便于发表言论.,但是可以介绍的是中航二集团已经把动力工程作为 集团主抓协调的四大工程来抓。加上近年来我国航空发动机工业的进步,研制出符合L-15要求的国产发动机我们还是有信心的。
千龙军事记者:当年在选定L-15方案的时候为什么没有考虑使用RD-93的单发方案?RD-93推力不错,国产化也胜利在望。
张弘总师:关于单双发问题,外面争论确实很多,不过可以明确的是当时我们选定方案的时候,把安全性摆在 了第一位,所以自然选择双发方案。
千龙军事记者:既然L-15选择了双发方案,
而且起飞滑跑距离又仅有200多米。那么是否说L-15有希望担任像库兹涅佐夫、航母上的苏-25那样的舰载攻击/教练机角色呢。
张弘总师:不但可以,而且我们的飞机比苏-25好得多(神情很自豪)。我们和普加乔夫座谈过,他就说那种飞机很难飞,苏联当年选苏-25,也是没有别的机种可选,没有办法。
千龙军事记者:L-15既然作为高级教练机,应该可以实施一些近距的精确对地攻击任务让新飞行员操练吧,比如典型的K h-29近程电视制导对地导弹。
张弘总师:可以,没问题。L-15有这样的设计。不要忘了强-5是我们公司的传统产品么,呵呵!
千龙军事记者:那么大家很关注的L-15改装攻击机、改装舰载机的事情可以进一步介绍一下么。
张弘总师:我们已经做了很多种改装方案,但是现在还不适宜透露。但是现在我可以说的是,L-15要进行改进是很方便的,气动外形小改一下就可以。
千龙军事记者:现在L-15的机头可以容纳多大直径的雷达天线?
张弘总师:400mm,改气动外形后可以安装更大的。
千龙军事记者:作为培训第三代甚至第四代飞行员的高级教练机,
L-15的机动性能达到了什么样的一个水平?
张弘总师:应该说达到了一个很高的水平,比如最大稳定迎角达到了30度,这在第三代战斗机中都是比较突 出的。在设计气动布局的时候, L-15不少搞机动性特别是超音速科目的吹风试验国内还没有能胜任的风洞,因此我们把模型送到俄罗斯,用了他的 四个风洞了吹风。
值得指出的是,我们L-15是全面贯彻能量机动观点的新型教练机,能够培养新飞行员强烈的能量机动空战意识。
千龙军事记者:L-15既要面对国内市场,又要面向国际市场。但是不是可以这样说基本的设计出发点还是以满足国内需求 出发的。
张弘总师:恩,可以这么说。
千龙军事记者:那么不知道L-15能不能做过失速机动?
张弘总师:这个做不了,毕竟只是款高教机。战术对抗演练,复杂武器系统的战斗使用,这样的科目是要在战 斗部队进行的,那是战斗机同型双座教练机的任务。
千龙军事记者:那么高级教练机和中级教练机的任务区别呢?
张弘总师:高级教练机是介于中级教练机和战斗机同型教练机的机种,在飞行包线、飞行品质,特别是起飞着 陆速度范围上要衔接上下,以供完成基础飞行训练的新飞行员实践新型战斗机的航线起降飞行、基本武器使用和复 杂气象飞行等科目。
千龙军事记者:你们的研制目标很明确的提出了兼顾第四代战斗机,不知是哪些项目要满足第四代战斗机 的先期训练需求?
张弘总师:第四代战机一个重要特性是超音速巡航和空战,而且我们认为从亚音速中教到超音速战斗机之间应 该有一个超音速高教的衔接层次。所以我们提出花费一些代价也要保证L-15具备超音速飞行能力,当然L-15不可能超音速巡航,但基本的超音速飞行能力还是要有的。其次是超视距攻击训练的模拟设备,这个我们会安 装。再就是相当强的机动性能,像前面说尽管不能做过失速机动,但我们要让L-15的机动性能达到三代战机中较领先的位置。总的来说就是要让新飞行员在直上第四代战斗机之前(特别是估计 有的四代机就没有双座教练型了)有一个较好的衔接和铺垫。
千龙军事记者:我看到最新的宣传报道,
才注意到你们在很短的时间内顺利地搞出了L-15的电传飞控系统。
张弘总师:对,是这样的。而且可以明确地说,L-15的电传飞控,是我国第一种完全独立自主设计出来的三轴四余度电传飞控系统(千龙军事记者注:某新歼的电 传来历呵呵,佛曰不可说)。,我们在两年的时间内就顺利完成了全部设计制造工作。在国际上也算是非常快 的一个速度。当然,这也和我们国家的整体航空工业实力进步有很大关系,是建立在整体科技能力的提升的基础上 的。
千龙军事记者:L-15飞控的铁鸟台是你们自己搭的吧?
张弘总师:是的,自己搭了铁鸟台。
千龙军事记者:刚才我们参观了01号机,发现你们的铆接工艺扳金工艺非常棒,以前国内军迷看惯了国内军 机歪歪扭扭的铆接,再看到西方军机被掩盖在高级外漆下的整齐铆钉,感觉差距特别大。甚至很多初级军迷以为西 方战斗机不是铆接而是一次整体成型的。这次看到你们的L-15,觉得在外观上基本达到西方军机的水平了,而且原来K-8的表面工艺也不错。
姚志总工程师:我们洪都的技术工人培养还是很严格的,像洪都附属技工学校的毕业学生,并不是都能够进入 洪都工作的,还要经过一个很严格的选拔。
张弘总师:不过实话实说,我去看了埃及他们生产线上制造出来的K-8,工艺水平比我们的还要好一点。我们工人敬业态度和专注程度要比起埃及工人来还是有一点差距。
千龙军事记者:对了,
当年研制K-8的时候你们邀请巴基斯坦投资25%。不知这次同样搞外销先导的L-15,为何巴基斯坦没有参加?不知你们与巴方接触了么?是巴基斯坦不感兴趣?
张弘总师:巴基斯坦已经有FC-1这个大项目了,作为小国想再同时支撑一个军机项目不太现实。再就是尽管L-15是自筹资金的研制项目,研制经费比较紧张,但比当年研制K8的时候还是好一些的,完全独立自筹资金也能 把L-15推进下去。
不过巴基斯坦作为中国军机的传统出口市场,依然是我们L-15的重点销售对象。去年下半年我们洪都的几位领导和中航技的几位领导,一起去K8的几个使用国进行了拜访 座谈,除了征求对K8的使用意见以外,还详细地向他们介绍了L-15。他们大都表示出很浓的兴趣。而且对于非传统市场,我们也要努力拓展。
千龙军事记者:对于L-15的三大竞争对手,欧洲MAKO、韩美T-50、俄罗斯雅克-130,您能不能做一个简要的评价,L-15对他们的竞争优势在那里?
张弘总师:从性能上最简单评价,T-50超音速但是是单发,雅克-130双发但是是亚音速,欧洲MAKO确实很先进,但是也太先进了,除了欧洲几国,最多加上中东的石油富国 ,其他国家很难买得起,而且现在MAKO的进展还很艰难呢,欧洲那几个参研国的协调,确实很麻 烦。
千龙记者:赞同您的观点。从定价来看,MAKO估计2500-3000万美元,T-50估计2200-2500万美元,雅克- 130大约1500万美元,L-15以前的宣传也是1500万美元,那我的理解就是L-15要用与雅克-130差不多的价格,实现比雅克-130更好、与 T-50差不多的性能,来赢得自己的市场空间。
张弘总师:是这样的。我们的预测是未来20-25年内全世界会有1700多架高级教练机的市场需求规模,我们L-15要通过自己的努力拿到400架也就是接近25%的市场份额。
千龙军事记者:不过611/132对FC-1的宣传说价格控制在1000万美元左右,如果某个小国要在L-15和FC-1之间作一个取舍,是不是L-15会处于不利的位置?
张弘总师:首先轻型战斗机和高级教练机还是有区别的,不是直接的竞争对手。其次L-15的成本也可以进行控制,设备进行选装,价格也可以压低到1200万美元甚至更低。(千龙军事记者注:看 来成飞在营销上是要做加的艺术,而洪都喜欢做减的艺术)。
千龙军事记者:近年来,
教练机研制还有一个趋势或者说企图,就是高中合一,高级教练机和中级教练机的功能在一架飞机上实现,以尽力 控制成本。米格-AT、L-159都是采用了这样的设计思路,不过这两种飞机的市场反应都很一般,您对此有何看法?
张弘总师:高中合一、减少层级、控制成本这种思路是好的。但是从实践上来看,首先是一种教练机要覆盖中 级教练机到高级教练机的任务,需要有很宽阔的飞行包线,具备不同的飞行特性,完成从中低速到中高速的训练任 务,要完成这样的气动设计还是比较困难的。再就是从节省成本的角度,高中合一、减少机种会节约一定的购置成 本,但从长期使用的角度,高教机的单位小时飞行成本比中教机的高,要用高教机的成本去完成中教机的飞行训练 任务,实际上是不合算的,从长期看是得不偿失的。所以初、中、高和战斗教练这四级,或者说是三级半训练层级 ,还是各有相应的机种对应为好。
千龙军事记者:现在中教K-8替换了歼教-5,下一步高教L-15就要替换歼教-7,想问一下已经用了40多年的初教-6的替代机型--新初教,不知排上洪都的议事日程了么?
张弘总师:新初教研制已经启动了。
千龙军事记者:会不会和国际新初教的趋势一样,电子化座舱,涡桨发动机?
张弘总师:对!电子座舱,用涡桨,上涡桨!(语调提升,神情很激动)
千龙军事记者:最后一个问题是关于您个人的。航空界飞机总师的出身不少,学气动、总体、发动机、飞 控的都有,但作为兵工口武器专业出身的飞机总师,您应该是头一个,像刚才您对飞机侃侃而谈,势必是对飞机很 了解了。如此之大的专业跨越,不知您有什么感受,在担当总师职责后在型号管理上又有什么心得呢 ?
张弘总师:这个问题范围就有点大了,呵呵。简单地说吧,我认为飞机既是平台也是武器,但现在不是提出网 络中心战时代么,飞机作为平台的作用弱化,作为武器的特性突出,所以我个人认为作为学武器的专业背景在航空 领域还是大有可为的,而且更能发挥特长。
千龙军事记者:非常感谢您接受我们的采访,祝L-15试飞试验顺利,祝洪都集团发展兴旺!
张弘总师:好的,谢谢。
big toothbrush
04-06-2006, 03:15 AM
too bad nobody paste pics at here.
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MIGleader
04-06-2006, 03:52 PM
check out the cockpit
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/trainer/l155.asp
Really nice, two MFDs
tphuang
04-07-2006, 12:21 PM
alright, now I finally get to translate this
千龙军事再度独家专访L-15总设计师张弘(图)
http://www.qianlong.com/ 2006-04-06 10:01:20
手记:4月2日,在L-15信息交流会上,众多媒体同行对洪都集团的众位领导频频发问。而我却在记者席上平静而耐心的等待着会议的 结束。因为我所准备的和代表网友要提出的问题,在场的大部分人其实并不感兴趣,而且很多问题在正式的会场上 是得不到回答的,我必须等待会后的机会。
会议一结束,
我就冲到刚刚离座的张宏总师面前,恭敬地递上名片:“张弘总师您好,我是千龙网军事频道记者,04年的珠海 航展上我们频道记者的宋大昭曾对您进行过专访,这次我也想与您有一个交流的机会。”
张宏总师看看名片,微微一笑:“有印象,但是我们还是另找个时间吧”。
pleasantries
我并未死心,听说张总师也和我们一起用自助午餐,就决定在饭桌上“围堵”。在餐厅里当看到张总师选好了 一个位置之后,就装模作样的随便夹了一盘,就蹭到了张总师的边上等待,同桌的还有洪都集团的总工程师姚志。 当张总师端着餐碟归来,几句客套的寒暄之后,我们就切入了正题。下面就是问答实录:
L-15参加珠海航展希望不大
千龙军事记者:张总设计师,L-15这次计划制造几架原型机?
张弘总师:我们计划造三架,01架(也就是首飞的这架)和03架试飞,02架做静力试验。
3 prototypes are planned, 01 an d03 for test flights and 02 for static testing
千龙军事记者:这么少?
why so few?
张弘总师:对,这是因为一个是我们自筹资金研制的项目,经费比较紧张。二是我们要在试飞过程中,就充分 验证L15高可靠性、高效费比,易维护的特性。要用2架飞机做到持续试飞、大强度试飞,充分证明我们飞机的 优越,这是我们的自信。
The reason is because L-15 is a self-funded program, so the funding is very tense. Use the 2 trainers to keep on testing and flying.
千龙军事记者:那01机3月13号首飞到现在有没有在做过试飞呢?
has 01 flied again since march 13th?
张弘总师:01机这一个月主要是在喷漆,比较用心的喷了几道漆,也就是为了让大家今天看到比较漂亮的效 果。等汇报飞行表演完了之后下一步就进行大强度试飞。等03机造出来也一起投入进去。(千龙军事记者注:据 洪都集团其他高层透露,03机将会像FC-1的04机那样有不小的变化,并确定是03机要达到定型的技术状态,而且03机很可能会换装AI-222)。
01's role is just to achieve some nice affects, to show off a little bit. After that show, we will continue with more stringent testing. 03 is the one that is going to be like FC-1 04, 03 will be the one that achieves certification, it could very well use AI-222
千龙军事记者:那么今天的珠海航展,L15有没有可能实机参展并作飞行表演呢?
Is there any possibility that L-15 will participate in Zhuhai airshow in the flight simulations?
张弘总师:珠海航展的事情还没有完全定,像去年北京航展那样派1:1木模是没有多大问题的,实机能不能 去还得上级领导定夺,毕竟会影响试飞。至于做飞行表演,珠海航展还没有允许过让尚未定型的飞机作飞行表演, 尽管我们有信心,但怕要在珠海现场飞行是不可能的了。
hasn't decided yet, it's possible that Zhuhai would not allow planes that are not certified to participate in flight. Maybe it will be a 1:1 model at zhuhai airshow again
千龙军事记者:那可就是珠海航展的遗憾了,
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