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adeptitus
09-27-2005, 08:26 PM
I was pretty surprised when I saw this, since the ROCN sub force had always been the butt end of many jokes.

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_003542.php

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AFP
Mon, 26 Sep 2005, 09:53

TAIPEI: Taiwan plans to equip its two Dutch-built submarines with Harpoon anti-ship missiles that could be used to attack key Chinese naval bases, Jane's Defence Weekly said.

If all goes smoothly, the two Sea Dragon diesel electric submarines would be armed with UGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, the defence weekly said in an article to be published Wednesday.

It said the US navy had awarded McDonnell Douglas Corp, a Boeing subsidiary, a contract to coordinate and execute an on-site survey of the submarines for this purpose.

Submarine-launched Harpoons are pre-loaded into a capsule and launched from a torpedo tube. The capsule rises to the surface and launches the missile.

"If Taiwan procures the Block 2 Harpoons with coastal target suppression, Taiwan's submarines will have the capability of attacking coastal, in-harbour and land targets," Jane's said.

"This will place China's key naval bases of Shantou, Xiamen, Sandu, Xiazhen, Shanghai and Zhoushan in Taiwan's crosshairs," it said

The Harpoon missile deal, following Russia's sale of Kh-41 anti-ship missiles to China, was part of a 2001 US arms package.

Taiwan's military-run Chung Shan Institute of Science and Technology had been working unsuccessfully on a submarine-launched version of its Hsiung Feng anti-ship missile, the journal said.

Taiwan already has air and ship-launched Harpoons.

China has repeatedly threatened to invade Taiwan should the island declare formal independence, prompting Taiwan to seek more advanced weaponry to defend itself.

The United States has been the leading arms supplier to Taiwan despite Washington's switching of diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in

Relations between China and Taiwan, which split in 1949 at the end of a civil war, have worsened since independence-leaning Chen Shui-bian was elected president in 2000. He was re-elected last year.




tphuang
09-27-2005, 10:16 PM
lol, with the amount of S-300 units around the coast of China, there is no chance any of the harpoon can penetrate the air defense.

BrotherofSnake
09-27-2005, 10:31 PM
Can the S-300 even intercept a Harpoon? :confused:

DPRKUnderground
09-28-2005, 05:05 PM
Now what's the news on those 8 other subs that Taiwan is going to make?

MIGleader
09-28-2005, 05:34 PM
Can the S-300 even intercept a Harpoon? :confused:can a harpoon fired from taiwan even reach china? no. its alkso slow, so the chinese will shoot it down easily.

tphuang
09-28-2005, 08:54 PM
Can the S-300 even intercept a Harpoon? :confused:
most of these systems have a range against aircraft and missiles. Don't be biased. If American missiles can intercept Russian/Chinese ones, then the opposite could happen too.

http://www.missilethreat.com/systems/hq-15_china.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/15/191625.shtml

basically, China has too many layers of missile/aircraft defense.

The layer with S-300PMU/PMU2/HQ10/HQ15/HQ9/FT-2000
and then the layer with HQ/16/HQ17/Tor-M1
and don't forget all the mobile missile defense trucks China has. (FB-6A) and Yitian

sumdud
10-14-2005, 01:50 AM
The 8 subs....... haven't heard of them for 3 years already outside this forum.

The Harpoon upgrade is for LA Harpoons?!
What about Sea Harpoons?
This is an offensive weapon........

As for China's defense, I doubt the the radars can actually detect the missile, maybe the plane, like those Spitfires shoting V1s, but different weapons.(J-10s? That missile test years earlier was from a balloon though....)

adeptitus
10-14-2005, 03:25 PM
The 8 subs....... haven't heard of them for 3 years already outside this forum.


The budget is still pending. I'm not even sure where they'd get the conventional subs from, since the US only builds nuclear subs now. Assuming if the budget goes through this year and they someone figure out who/where the submarines will be built, it'd still take time to build and shake them down.

As for missile defense, I don't think the land-based systems are designed to look for sea-skimming anti-ship missiles. Submarines are offensive weapons that are best used to sink other ships. If Taiwan needs missile strike capability against land targets in China, they could deploy Hsiung Feng IIE cruise missiles, said to have 600km - 1,000 km range.

MIGleader
10-14-2005, 04:21 PM
The budget is still pending. I'm not even sure where they'd get the conventional subs from, since the US only builds nuclear subs now. Assuming if the budget goes through this year and they someone figure out who/where the submarines will be built, it'd still take time to build and shake them down.

As for missile defense, I don't think the land-based systems are designed to look for sea-skimming anti-ship missiles. Submarines are offensive weapons that are best used to sink other ships. If Taiwan needs missile strike capability against land targets in China, they could deploy Hsiung Feng IIE cruise missiles, said to have 600km - 1,000 km range.

actually, a number of anti ship missles have the range to hit inland, since the countries are so close. taiwan was supposedly developing a 250km+ ashm

sumdud
10-15-2005, 06:08 PM
I think the USA is suppose to be some sort of middleman, while some European shipyard, either Dutch or Swedish I think, are actually building. But no news on construction.

The Taiwanese missiles aren't bad. The HF-1 is superior to the old Silkworms the old boats carried, the HF-2 is no worse than the C-801. And the HF-3, nearing production, has a 600-1000km range, and is dual-purpose. If I am right, it has tomahawk style winglets. As for why didn't they put it in the subs, I wonder, too. The systems should be compatable.