CIDEX coming up soon in Beijing; Defense Electronics

[crobato]

There is going to be a lot of defense electronics and exhibit and such. Put photos in this thread or in threads related to the application.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3435423&c=AIR&s=TOP


Beijing Prepares for CIDEX 2008
BY wendell minnick
Published: 19 Mar 16:45 EDT (12:45 GMT)


TAIPEI - Beijing is preparing for its 6th China International Defence Electronics Exhibit (CIDEX), which will feature the second China Defence Electronics Application Forum.

Scheduled for April 2-5 at the Beijing Exhibition Center, CIDEX is organized by the state-owned China National Electronics Import and Export Corp. and managed by China Electronics International Exhibition.

The China Defence Electronics Application Forum will include sessions on remote sensing, radar, guidance techniques, electronic information, electronic intelligence, electronic surveillance measures and communication encryption technologies.

Held every two years since 1998, the 2006 CIDEX saw more than 250 exhibitors from China, Czech Republic, Germany, Japan, South Africa, South Korea, Switzerland, Ukraine and the United Kingdom, and more than 20,000 visitors from 28 different countries. Despite the large turnout, most exhibitors were Chinese.

The exhibit covers a variety of areas: communication systems, electronic warfare systems, aviation electronics, air defense and control systems, nuclear electronic equipment, laser equipment and optic-electronic devices, anti-terrorism technology, fire control systems, and emulation and training.

"Since the informatization is one of the pivotal tasks for the process of China's military build-up, China's investment into the relevant equipment against the background of informatization has been increasing year by year," a CIDEX news release said.

"In this case, overseas defense electronics manufacturers and distributors are seeking to find proper channels into the Chinese market, increase their presence and enhance the cooperation with relevant governmental department and local companies. To this end, CIDEX serves as a good platform for their market activities."

[tphuang]

there has been some good stuff shown here, first for the air defense/surveillance radars.
http://www.chinareviewnews.com/doc/1006/0/9/9/100609949.html?coluid=4&kindid=17&docid=100609949&mdate=0402142107
a couple of interesting point,
it's amazing how many different types of radar from NRIET are shining in these exhibits. And also, how they have so many types coming out.

由中國電子進出口總公司與中電科技國際貿易有限公司、北京鑫隆電子新技術公司共同主辦的第六届中國國際國防 電子展覽會(CIDEX2008)于2008年 4月1北京展覽館開展。該展覽是我國唯一得到解放軍總裝備部、中國國防科學技術工業委員會、信息産業部、中 國電子信息産業集團公司批准和支持的國防電子産品的專業展覽會，比較全面地反映了我國軍事電子工業的發展水 平。

　　本次國防電子展中國電子科技集團公司派出多十多家下屬公司參加，展出了數十種國産先進陸基雷達、海基火 控系統。其中多數參展雷達是解放軍現役裝備。

　　YLC-18高機動中程低空三坐標雷達由南京電子研究所研制。該雷達采用相控陣、全固態、全相參、脉沖壓縮體制，仰 角上采用一維多波束相掃。能探測低空、超低空飛行目標，如攻擊機、戰鬥機、巡航導彈等。可用作中低空警戒和 引導雷達、低空補盲雷達、地對空導彈目標指示雷達。

YLC-18 a 3D medium range, low altitude radar, it's electronically scanned, can detect low altitude and low flying targets. Can operate as low altitude warning or guidance radar, can provide targeting information for SAM (this is pretty important).

　　YLC-2V S波段機動三坐標警戒雷達由南京電子研究所研制 可迅速布防機動式三坐標對空情報警戒與中遠程引導雷達，可提供大批量空中目標的方位、距離、高度、敵我屬性 等綜合情報。YLC-2V雷達以其特有的優良作戰性能，適用于空軍、海軍的主戰引導兼警戒雷達，同樣適用于地面導彈部隊的目標指 示雷達，爲地面導彈部隊的制導雷達提供大批量空中目標的方位、距離、高度、敵我屬性等綜合情報。作戰性能優 良，高機動性、有較强的抗幹擾及抗摧毀能力、强生存能力，以及對巡航導彈等小雷達截面積目標具有一定探測能 力YLC-2V雷達將成爲二十一世紀主戰引導兼警戒雷達。

YLC-2V - a S-band 3d phased array medium/long range guidance radar, can provide large quantity of target, height, distance, velocity, IFF. Has certain detection capability against low cross radar targets like cruise missiles

　　YLC-6機動式中低空監視雷達由南京電子研究所研制。是一部S波段兩坐標空中目標警戒雷達，具有低空探測性能好、 抗地雜波和氣象雜波以及反無源及電子幹擾能力强特點。是理想的機動式低空警戒雷達。

YLC-6 is a 2D medium to low altitude suveillance radar,

　　YLC-15 S波段全固態脉沖多普勒防空雷達由南京電子研究所研制，主要用于20公里範圍內目標探測。具有懸停直升機或 低空飛行巡航導彈識別能力，可用作便携式導彈和防空火炮目標指示雷達。尺寸小、重量輕。除天綫和天綫座外， 雷達可拆裝成不超過30公斤的三個部分，可安裝在任意類型車輛上在戰場執行小型任務。雷達功耗低，可靠性高 ，有惡劣條件下依然能够具有良好的探測和綜合電子反制(ECCM)能力。

YLC-15 is a full-coherent, PD air defense radar, can detect targets within 20 km against helicopter and cruise missiles, can provide targeting for air defense artillery. Can be taken down into 3 pieces of < 30 kg, high reliability, low power consumption and can be used in adverse environment. I guess just a cheap and mobile radar

　　CLC-1雷達是S波段全固態、全相參、車載型PD體制低空兩坐目標搜索雷達。主要用于自行高炮目標搜索、敵我識別 、威脅度判斷和對火炮方位導引。低空性能好，反雜波能力强，體積小，重量輕，反應速度快，可靠性高，能承受 惡劣工作環境。

　　YLC-2雷達是新一代高性能三坐標遠程警戒和骨幹引導雷達，采用相控陣、全固態、全相參、頻率分集、脉沖壓縮等先 進技術。具有探測距離遠、測高精度高、抗幹擾能力强、反地物性能好、可靠性高、易于維修等特點，幷能綜合6 部雷達情報組成一個局部雷達網。技術水平達到當代國際先進水平。

CLC-2雷達是一種先進S波段低空監視雷達由南京電子研究所研制，它采用了脉沖多普勒技術，適用于搜索和檢測低空 和超低空目標。在野戰狀態下，能力給8個自行火炮或近程地對空導彈系統提供空情、目標指示、威脅判斷、坐標 車換以及火力分配，指揮火力單元反擊。

　　CLC-3高機動目標指示雷達由南京電子研究所研制。采用先進相控陣天綫和脉沖多普勒處理技術，用于檢測低空飛行目 標，如飛機、直升機或巡航導彈，能在强雜波下檢測慢速飛行或懸停直升機。可用作便携式導彈和防空火炮目標指 示雷達，與武器系統連通後，能够自動跟踪合部搜索空間內所有目標，爲武器系統提供用于目標標識和作戰控制的 高品質3D目標數據。還能用于防空組網的低空補盲。

rest are just the CLC series radars, I believe CLC-1/2 are for type 95 SPAAA batteries, CLC-3 seems to be another radar for the army.

[tphuang]

there is more stuff, I attached a bunch of LCD shots, the first one is used on J-10/H-6, the last one is used on Shenzhou space ship.

Also, the missiles you see are WF170 cruise missile simulation training missiles.

They apparently also showed the display JMS12405. As mentioned in this article, http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/p/2008-04-03/0808493266.html
It attracted attention from Pakistan and North Korea. This could be used in aircrafts and vehicles depending on the user requirements.

[tphuang]

a couple of more, one is YLC-8A, which is operating VHF band, for stealthy targets I guess.

And the other is SLC-2, this can determine the enemy's location by tracking where the missiles, artilleries are coming from.

[challenge]

a couple of more, one is YLC-8A, which is operating VHF band, for stealthy targets I guess.

And the other is SLC-2, this can determine the enemy's location by tracking where the missiles, artilleries are coming from.

SLC-2 artillery location radar uses C-band,rather than X band for higher discrimination tracking.

[crobato]

SLC-2 artillery location radar uses C-band,rather than X band for higher discrimination tracking.

You got that backward, C-band is lower resolution than X-band. Under the new standard, C-band is something like UHF, and X-band is now I-band, and also the higher the letter, the shorter the frequency and higher the discrimination. Note that K-band is the same for both old and new standards. Are you referring to K-band?

[challenge]

sales brochure posted in web 5 years ago, claim the SLC-2 was AESA operated in C band.

[crobato]

Is this the IEEE C-band or NATO C-band? NATO C-band is long frequency band like UHF. IEEE C-band is between S-Band and X-band, which is generally around 5cm in wavelength. 4-8cm is the general range of C-band. Historically, mortar spotting can be done by radars within the 3cm to 10cm wavelength, as long as the shell is larger than the wavelength used. X and K band will still give better resolution and the ability to detect smaller shells, but it may offer sacrifices in terms of volume search, and are more sensitive to weather phenomena like rain or snow.

[maozedong]

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/nz/dianzizhan6/index.shtml

more information about CIDEX in the link.

[Finn McCool]

This is one of the more informative things I have read in this site in a while. I'm so outclassed in technical knowledge here...:o. Great info Tphuang, crobato, et al.

[tphuang]

this is like the strangest thing for me. They had posters of SR-64 and TR-47C on the exhibit. Now, I thought SR-64 is the radar on the aft mast of 054A and all the other ships. But now, this picture doesn't look like that at all. So, either this is the land version of the radar or the export version (shouldn't be this different) or SR-64 and Type 364 really aren't the same thing.

And the other strange part is TR-47C, which was supposed to be the radar on Type 730 CIWS, but it actually looks more like the Rice lamp radar. Confused indeed.

[crobato]

this is like the strangest thing for me. They had posters of SR-64 and TR-47C on the exhibit. Now, I thought SR-64 is the radar on the aft mast of 054A and all the other ships. But now, this picture doesn't look like that at all. So, either this is the land version of the radar or the export version (shouldn't be this different) or SR-64 and Type 364 really aren't the same thing.

And the other strange part is TR-47C, which was supposed to be the radar on Type 730 CIWS, but it actually looks more like the Rice lamp radar. Confused indeed.

Because simply the picture has the radar naked after all, that is without the spherical radome covering. The radar picture here is still identical to the radar's Wiki entry or to Koxinga's PDF on PLAN naval radars and ECM. Quite impressive to feature full coherence, pulse compression, adaptive MTD and frequency agility.

[tphuang]

Because simply the picture has the radar naked after all, that is without the spherical radome covering. The radar picture here is still identical to the radar's Wiki entry or to Koxinga's PDF on PLAN naval radars and ECM. Quite impressive to feature full coherence, pulse compression, adaptive MTD and frequency agility.

I did think about that, but the antenna looked too big for it. I probably just have the entire sense of size messed up from looking at all the 054A pictures.

[maozedong]

http://i3.sinaimg.cn/jc/p/2008-04-02/U1335P27T1D493080F3DT20080402102833.jpg

http://i0.sinaimg.cn/jc/p/2008-04-02/U1335P27T1D493080F26DT20080402103027.jpg
I am interesting at the progress Q-5 with KLJ-7 Airborne Fire Control X-band pulse Doppler radar,do you think China will deploy operational this for PLAAF? I think they are only for export but keep KLJ-7 radar for some where.

[RedMercury]

Might be an interesting export machine, a somewhat cheap ground attacker that doubles as a BVRAAM carrier. I doubt PLAAF will want it when it has J-17. I wonder what could be done with that Nanchang production line. It would be waste to let it make cigarettes.

[challenge]

nothing new in the exhibition.