PLA Small arms

[Vanguard1688]

Current situation with Assault Rifles and Submachine Guns

Army:

Regular troops
-Type 81 and Type 95 both used, Type 81 is gradually being phased out but it will take a while
SpecOps
-Type 87 5.8mm Assault rifle mixed with Type 81 and Type 95
Recon
-Type 95/Type 81/Type 85 SMG/Type 64 SMG

Navy:

-Only uses type 56C carbine, doesn't seem be have a replacement, fairly new rifle
Marines
-Almost completely Type 95

Airborne:
-Type 87 and Type 95

Reserves:
-Mainly Type 56II and Type 81

PAP:
-Type 95/Type 81/Type 79 SMG

[Liberator]

Pistols? Othre than that. Cool.

[Vanguard1688]

Army uses mainly Type 92s, police use Type 77 and 84

interesting feature of Type 77

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/type77b_3.jpg

[Vanguard1688]

Chinese rip off of M4

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/M4.jpg

[Vanguard1688]

Chinese rip off of M16

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/PRCm-16.jpg

[Vanguard1688]

Persian rip off of a Chinese rip off of the M16

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/persian.jpg

[Red Guard]

Current situation with Assault Rifles and Submachine Guns

Army:

Regular troops
-Type 81 and Type 95 both used, Type 81 is gradually being phased out but it will take a while
SpecOps
-Type 87 5.8mm Assault rifle mixed with Type 81 and Type 95
Recon
-Type 95/Type 81/Type 85 SMG/Type 64 SMG

Navy:

-Only uses type 56C carbine, doesn't seem be have a replacement, fairly new rifle
Marines
-Almost completely Type 95

Airborne:
-Type 87 and Type 95

Reserves:
-Mainly Type 56II and Type 81

PAP:
-Type 95/Type 81/Type 79 SMG

okay, problems.
one, what do you mean by SpecOps, i know it's special force, but in china Recon is mostly considered as SpecOps.
two. there is no 87 in services anymore, the latest pictures show they are in some of the Armed Police units, there are a small amount of 87s. special forces use the same weapon as the other units, mostly 95s. my source in the army told me, "my unit is not equiped of 95s, the Recon units are"
three, where are the sniper rifles.
four. 56C is actually in some of the marine special units, it's very rarely seen on ships, the newest picture shows it's used on a Submarine. Most ships are issued of 81.
five. no 87 in airborne either, as in chinese, "old calendar", only a few pictures show paratroopers with 87 posed for camera, it doesn't mean they use 87. from 81 to 95, people served in the paratroop said.
six.there are a few 56IIs or 56-2s exist in the world. as when 56-2 came out, the 81 and 82 was in progress and 81 made its way to the front and finally entered services, so 56-2 was not issued to many units and quickly replaced too.
seven, reserves use 56s, or many 56 semi-auto (SKS), my friend is in reserves. maybe 81 will be issued to them as the regulars use 95s.
eight, what's PAP?

extra.
92 is not being issued very fast. by now i think they still use 54, i have to check with that.

please correct as i am wrong.

[T-U-P]

Chinese rip off of M16
what?! m16? but that's just a chinese rip off of m4 with a grenade launcher. m16 has way longer barrel.

[Red Guard]

what?! m16? but that's just a chinese rip off of m4 with a grenade launcher. m16 has way longer barrel.
there is a norico M16 as well. the CQ.

[ahho]

what is a type-56c and is there any pic??

[Red Guard]

56c is the short version of 56 rifle. it's mostly issued to special force, and navy.
http://www.ximen.net/bbs/showimg.asp?BoardID=32&filename=2005-6/200561612434760880.jpg
http://www.ximen.net/bbs/showimg.asp?BoardID=32&filename=2005-6/200561612442848317.jpg

the second photo shows it's issued to armed police as well

and there are some detail phots in this site too.
http://www.ximen.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardID=32&ID=3437

[ahho]

so, it is almost like the ak74U but longer

[Red Guard]

it's a short 56, with 7.62.

[Vanguard1688]

okay, problems.
one, what do you mean by SpecOps, i know it's special force, but in china Recon is mostly considered as SpecOps.
two. there is no 87 in services anymore, the latest pictures show they are in some of the Armed Police units, there are a small amount of 87s. special forces use the same weapon as the other units, mostly 95s. my source in the army told me, "my unit is not equiped of 95s, the Recon units are"
three, where are the sniper rifles.
four. 56C is actually in some of the marine special units, it's very rarely seen on ships, the newest picture shows it's used on a Submarine. Most ships are issued of 81.
five. no 87 in airborne either, as in chinese, "old calendar", only a few pictures show paratroopers with 87 posed for camera, it doesn't mean they use 87. from 81 to 95, people served in the paratroop said.
six.there are a few 56IIs or 56-2s exist in the world. as when 56-2 came out, the 81 and 82 was in progress and 81 made its way to the front and finally entered services, so 56-2 was not issued to many units and quickly replaced too.
seven, reserves use 56s, or many 56 semi-auto (SKS), my friend is in reserves. maybe 81 will be issued to them as the regulars use 95s.
eight, what's PAP?

extra.
92 is not being issued very fast. by now i think they still use 54, i have to check with that.

please correct as i am wrong.


1. A brigade size SpecOp unit is attached to Military Regions, Recon is attached to every individual Division/Brigade and lower units

2. i've seen pictures of type 87s in SpecOps, i'll look for them

3. i'll do that later, w/ RPGs and Sniper rifles

4.alright

5.Here's Airborne w/ Type 87
http://sinodefence.com/airforce/orbat/airborne_2lg.jpg

6.There are tons of Type 56IIs floating around in the world. Think Iraq, Sri Lanka, Pakistan etc. etc.

7. PAP=People's Armed Police

[Vanguard1688]

what?! m16? but that's just a chinese rip off of m4 with a grenade launcher. m16 has way longer barrel.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm unworthy!!!

[Red Guard]

1. A brigade size SpecOp unit is attached to Military Regions, Recon is attached to every individual Division/Brigade and lower units

2. i've seen pictures of type 87s in SpecOps, i'll look for them

3. i'll do that later, w/ RPGs and Sniper rifles

4.alright

5.Here's Airborne w/ Type 87
http://sinodefence.com/airforce/orbat/airborne_2lg.jpg

6.There are tons of Type 56IIs floating around in the world. Think Iraq, Sri Lanka, Pakistan etc. etc.

7. PAP=People's Armed Police

1.ja, we call them special forces, sometimes they have their own "special names" now they are all under one special force patch. and they do use 95 now, no more 81 for them. unlike the west, speical force personel could choose their won favourite weapon( sometimes), PLA special forces are mostly bonded to the orginal weapons they use in the regular unit. but i won't close it like that, sometimes they use different weapons, very rare.
2&5 87 was a type of rifle that's supposed to prove the corp that the 5.8 is useable, and it's a type of rifle to be in the parade. it was never OFFICALLY issused to any of the units. but i think some of the units did use it for a short period of time. airborne troops is an army, there might be a few units used to for a short period of time to test it, but never equiped. and the pictures you saw airbornes posing with the rifle, is only for the camera....they could be posing for the camera men, or just on a test field. in china, we call it " the show pictures". what units really use, you should alwasy ask the people who had served in them.

6, sorry, my mistake, i used to think 56-2 were not issued. while 56-2 was out, 81 was almost out, so 56-2 was in services for a short time, and it doesn't have a very much improvement as 81 rifle, so i think the rest was just exported to the rest of the world. today 56-2 is less seen in china , much, MUCH less seen in china than 56 and 81. it's funny, because i didn't see 56-1 a lot either.
7. errrrrrr i don't really think PAP is the offical short term for armed police.

and i present you one of my favourite special force pictures of
special force in erna raid 2005, it's the marines.
by the way, in china Recon force is like greet beret, it's not special force, but it's more or less.

[Red Guard]

sorry the file is too big, i will try to find a link of it.

[sino52C]

My grandpa told me that they use a conventional style rifle in the PLA that does not resemble the 95. He said it looks like the M-16....

could it be the 03???

[MIGleader]

the 03 and 87a are far superior weapons to the 95? why did china have to go for a 95? the 03 combines the powerful 5.8, polymers with a good old ak.

[Vanguard1688]

Is it really necessary?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/vanguard1688/Type035.jpg

[MIGleader]

it owns the 95 in reliability and its ambidextrous.

[Vanguard1688]

come to think of it, its also less awkard reload, better for bayonet, can be fitted with rifle grenades.

[Red Guard]

huh, it's funny, you guys actually like 03. when 03 was out, everyone including me hated it. but we also hated 95 when it first came out, but.......after 03, 95 doesn't look that bad i guess. but i don't really think if anyone actually THINKS 03 is superior than 95. from my point of view, it is too ugly to be a rifle.
the designer is a woman, and we call it the sissi rifle.

[T-U-P]

from my point of view, it is too ugly to be a rifle.
the designer is a woman, and we call it the sissi rifle.
lol, you don't judge a weapon by its look. and so what if a woman designed it? it's a pretty good gun in my opinion.

[Red Guard]

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_842/publicphotos/11_368509.jpg

sorry about the delay. i just love to look at this pic.

[Longaxe]

Well she is a smart woman, so you must be a dumb man got it… I hate bull pups they suck; all types of problems with reliability and are often hard for lefties to use. The 03 also has elegance to it that the 95 lacks. The hand grip on the 95 is really crappy, and it makes using a scope hard. I always use a scope. The 95 is an un-ergonomic piece of shit, if I had to pick I would use a 03 any day.

[Vanguard1688]

i would've stayed with the Type 81, its really a good, reliable weapon and stamped out most of the shortcomings of the AK-47.

[Red Guard]

i will tell my friends to pay a visit to this post. how come you people set your hearts on AK-47, while we are trying hard to get raid of the looks of AK......

[Vanguard1688]

Because type 81 is more than an AK clone!

[MIGleader]

the type 87a is perfect. modern bullet and polymers, with proven reliabilty of ak. it doesn't even look like an ak clone either.

[Vanguard1688]

i don't think the type 87A is that much better than the 95. Give it some time, some of the problems with its reliability, awkardness should be fixed given some time in service. Plus it starts a family distinctly Chinese small arms moving away from old Soviet ideology in rifle design.

[Su-27 Pilot]

i don't think the type 87A is that much better than the 95. Give it some time, some of the problems with its reliability, awkardness should be fixed given some time in service. Plus it starts a family distinctly Chinese small arms moving away from old Soviet ideology in rifle design.

But actually some of the Senior officers in PLA are not completely happy with Type-95's accuracy and overall performance.

[Red not Dead]

i don't think the type 87A is that much better than the 95. Give it some time, some of the problems with its reliability, awkardness should be fixed given some time in service. Plus it starts a family distinctly Chinese small arms moving away from old Soviet ideology in rifle design.


Soviet ideology?

I mean look obout what you got? Small cartdrige like soviets 5.45x39/5.8x42

Similar gun action...and damn the latest weapon designed is a whoopsy daizy AEK 971 with VZ 2000 parts on it. Damn you got the chinese sooo much far away from soviet/warpact development ;) .

[MIGleader]

lets compare a type 87A with an ak-47...
87a features plastic components like the magazine
a redesigned lighter stock
completely redesigned barrel which helps cool
5.8mm bullets

ak-47
wood stoch and barrel assembly
7.62 ammo
but still very good...

[Vanguard1688]

compare it with an Ak-102 its not so different!

[MIGleader]

the ak 102 has the polymers, thats it. they dont even look alike. the 102 fires 5.45.

[vincelee]

are you familiar with the south african vektor CR-21? Go look at it and tell me if it's an AK-47 or not. The fact is, it's an AK-47 modification.

The gist of the story, you can't judge how different a gun is by looking at it from the outside, unless one is in conventional layout while the other is bullpup. You need the "action" of the rifle.