Tokyo War Crimes Trials (1946-1948)

[swimmerXC]

Ok, I'm sure you all here know about the Tokyo War Crimes Trials (1946-1948)? well, i jsut found this out and it's really shocking and quite mad....
If not here's a short version of it the most distrubing part!
Back in 1946, most japanese war criminals were tried for warcrimes, many were executed, but those were just the lower levels, until they ran across a man named Shiro Ishii, leader of 731. He was as guilty as himiler and hitler, but instead of execution, he was granted his freedom, and lived in the US, his bargain chip was bio-chem tech.
Okay Chinese part of this...
They were not represented in the trials, plus ishii murdered thousands if not hundred thousand of chinese!
heres my main quesion:
IF America, is said to be the defenders of good and freedom and humanity; how come they sold the CHINESE and KOREANS, for BIO-TECH weapons? Instead of giving him death, how come they gave him life? How come EVEN AMERICAN SOLDIER where barred by the government to not tesifty? Wouldn't that be denying them consituiontal rights and existance? I'm confuse i thought America is said to be the defenders of good and freedom and humanity?!?! :mad:
isn't this much worse than SADDAM did? :mad:

Returning Allied POW’s recounted harrowing tales of biological experimentation ruthlessly conducted upon them. If these stories were reported by the press, the public would bray for blood. Despite this a deal was struck. By 1948, immunity was offered to all members of Ishii’s Unit in exchange for data and co-operation. Prosecutors at the Tokyo War Crimes trials were warned off. Allied POW’s were sworn to secrecy, and cynically forgotten. The biggest cover-up of the war had commenced.

Source (http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/unit731-part1.htm)

[PiSigma]

swimmer, you should have realized by now that the american government doesn't look out for the average joe, or anyone that's not giving them votes. as long as they get benefits from all of it, they don't care who they harm or insult. do you know why the allies were rushing toward germany as fast as they can in europe?? because the russians wanted to control as much of germany as possible to take over their scientists and engineers and the machines. the russians stole jet technology from the germans. the americans on the other hand rushed in to take the scientists, and stole rocket/missile technology from the germans.

[Chairman Hu]

Well at least theres some1 here who has com damn common sense

I agree with PiSigma

As said in this forum, India might get 120 F/A-18E/F and Pakistan gets GArbage like the F-16 Block 20 ish crap

Maybe if Pakistan got the Super Hornets that the military situation might even out, but NO!!!!! It HAS go to India, to counter "CHINA"

hm... America isnt a very reliable country for help ya know, in fact, INDIA ALREADY HAS A LARGE ENOUGH MILITARY TO OVERRUN PAKISTAN, WHY GIVE INDIA MORE STUFF?!?!? Pakistan helped US in this war against Bin Laden, again Pakistan gets the worse and India who really has contributed nothing gets everything, American foreign policy makes no sense to me.

America couldn't care less for humanity, America is being hyocritical, like every other country would if THEY stood up and said the same thing, but the different is... they don't say anything, in fact, China or India or Russia really couldn't care less about things about democracy as long as they have an effective government. America has now flushed the world with her propaganda... sad... very sad...

To make everything worse, there were American POWs in camps like Mukden back in the war, when they came home to America, they were denied their existence and was barred from testifying against Unit 731, which were their captors and they even were exposed to bio-chem experiment, that is betray to humanity, really.

[MIGleader]

nazi scientists were treated the exact same way. the made chemicals to kill jews, but the americans wnated there secrets.

the bush admin could care less about friends. all of its frieinds are toolds to them, not real friends.

[swimmerXC]

so how many chinese is estimated that ishii killed?

[Chairman Hu]

hmmm...

half a mil, at least

200,000 were slaughtered by bio-tech in 1 air raid, hundreds of thousands were killed throught infected rats and water...

even today chinese workers are be exposed to it if they struck the spot

I wouldnt say huow much, but how many so far

[swimmerXC]

so the only reason why the americans didn't want any chinese, korean, and POW to tesitfly is b/c they didn't want ishii dead; but instead alive so he can help them develop weapons of mass destruction and kill more ppl?

[Raven]

I understand your have strong feelings about the US. Me, I'm a history major so I want to know the good and the bad about any situation. That is something most instructors do not want the students in any nation to know. My best example is the 1942 Doolittle Raid. It had the following results:


Good stuff

-B25 Mitchells launched from the USS Hornet really cool
-First attack on IJ Homeland since 1500s or so
-First real response to IJ attacks in Hawaii,the Philippines etc
-First real US Navy Offensive Operation
-First US Navy sortie since Dec 7th
-The raid led overzealous IJN staff to plan Midway Operation

Bad stuff

-Many civilian fishing boats sunk by US TF had women and children onboard.
-Most bombing did little damage
-Raid aside from setting stage for Midway did nothing aside from insult IJ
-250,000+ Chinese citizens massacred retaliation for aiding downed B25 crews

For me, the raid was important for the very fact it got the Japanese to try the operation at Midway but 250,000 deaths in addition to the Americans and Japanse lost during and following the raid is not something I would claim is successful.

I would recommend a book called "Flyboys" to everyone on the planet. It is in my opinion a fair look at the US and Japan, the various racial and criminal situations during the WWII period and also a good look at the war. It talks about the stuff that is never highlighted in warmovies or stories.

[Raven]

I think if history was correctly studied, only the people of Iceland cannot throw stones.

[Chairman Hu]

AHHH well said, what happened in 1942 there was a fine example!

Itz not America wants to kill more people, itz America being paranoid in 1946

They had everything, A-bomb, Jet tech, and even ROcket/V-2 tech

Russians: No A-bomb for another 3 years, Jet tech from the 30s and stole some Jumbo BMW engines, in fact, they had to reverse copy the rolls royce VK-1(?) in order to solve the problems, and rocket tech? yea right, Stalin's purges in 37' took out everything

So yea America WAS paranoid, then again you can argue me on that, the guineva convention of 1980 was ratified by many countries to stop using napalm bombs, America rejected that, last time I check.

[Raven]

Chairman Hu,

I think when people talk of the Cold War, they are talking of the balance of power that the Cold War showed. You lived under the Western Powers,Eastern Powers or neither. You have to remember that both the PRC and US governments will do what they feel is needed to further their own policies. My question to you since we are discussing the various shortcomings of our nations regarding past history is if you can point out situations where your government was lacking, or outright wrong. I have no problem saying what faults,mistakes or even bad policies my young nation has made since 1787. I am curious if there are any policies of the PRC that you disagree with. Any historical incidence since 1946 where you feel the PRC was wrong or ill-advised? I know here in America, we are taught to be critical of the government. If a person ALWAYS agrees with something then there is a problem. We have people here who ALWAYS or NEVER vote one way or another. While they have a right to vote anyway they see fit, it takes away from the quest for a better understand of various situations.

As far as the deal with America, I am perfectly willing to discuss history with anyone. As long as whoever that is has an open and fair mind, it would work. If we want to match up bad moves nation to nation that is also fine, people just have to know history, not half of it, a third of it or only the good parts.

[PiSigma]

every country got some kind of fault. for china since 1946, anyone remember 1989 tianmen square??? that was just plain dumb on the government's part. they should have spend more time on negotiations. and the great leap forward and cultural revolution pretty much set china back 50 years.

[swimmerXC]

yep and i guess china has teh great leap froward too....
and the US...
Kent State, Civil Rights in the 60's, Japan warcrime trials, possibly 2nd Iraq war
and russia, heh...
pretty much anything evil under stalin

[Obcession]

every country got some kind of fault. for china since 1946, anyone remember 1989 tianmen square??? that was just plain dumb on the government's part. they should have spend more time on negotiations. and the great leap forward and cultural revolution pretty much set china back 50 years.

TianAnMen Square wasn't wholly the government's fault the protesters were wrong on some parts too. For example, they should have dispersed after the government told them multiple times to disperse. I'm damned sure they knew what were coming, considering the government's past actions, but they chose not to. The protesters also had some problems controlling their anger, when the troops were brought in, they weren't ordered to shoot. But the protesters were throwing molotov cocktails at their APC's. Also, you said they should've spent more time on negotiations, perhaps, but the protesters weren't just students, and they weren't just protesting for democracy. They had students, farmers, factory workers, etc. and they wanted different things. So it was difficult to know who to negotiate with and what to grant. The government had its faults too, but I'm sure you have been hearing so much about it that you have things to add to everything I say, so I'll just save my breath and don't even bother.

The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution were really bad acts. The Great Leap Forward was based solely on communist ideology and not on a practical basis. The Cultural Revolution was wholly for the benefit of the state, and not for the people.

[DPRKUnderground]

I feel betrayed right now. The US should have gotten the secrets then kill him! So it's like a few years afterwards, you tie him up by his neck and choke him and say he commited suicide. That's a good plan!

[swimmerXC]

ishii died PEACEFULLY, i think in 59, im guessing he's probably even buried in Arlington......

[Chairman Hu]

sry for being a bit late...

yes there are things i disagree on with the PRC

List:
No incentive in military design
Poor handling of the 1st Taiwanese Crisis
Poor handling of the 2nd Taiwanese Crisis
Poor use of scientists/engineers in the military design
Poor handling of the invasion of Tibet
Poor use of equipment in the invasion of Vietnam
Poor HANDLING of the invasion of Vietnam
Poor control of the Cultural Revolution
Poor control on collective farming
Poor use of labor ended with poor quality of steel and crops
Poor quality in military equipment design

Do I need to go on?

But the difference?

We didnt left the worse war criminals in history live

[adeptitus]

Ok, I'm sure you all here know about the Tokyo War Crimes Trials (1946-1948)? well, i jsut found this out and it's really shocking and quite mad....
If not here's a short version of it the most distrubing part!
Back in 1946, most japanese war criminals were tried for warcrimes, many were executed, but those were just the lower levels, until they ran across a man named Shiro Ishii, leader of 731. He was as guilty as himiler and hitler, but instead of execution, he was granted his freedom, and lived in the US, his bargain chip was bio-chem tech.
Okay Chinese part of this...
They were not represented in the trials, plus ishii murdered thousands if not hundred thousand of chinese!
heres my main quesion:
IF America, is said to be the defenders of good and freedom and humanity; how come they sold the CHINESE and KOREANS, for BIO-TECH weapons? Instead of giving him death, how come they gave him life? How come EVEN AMERICAN SOLDIER where barred by the government to not tesifty? Wouldn't that be denying them consituiontal rights and existance? I'm confuse i thought America is said to be the defenders of good and freedom and humanity?!?! :mad:
isn't this much worse than SADDAM did? :mad:
Source (http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/unit731-part1.htm)

The US and Russians happily employed Nazi scientists and techs. You don't see the designers of the V-1 and V-2 rockets that rained down on London being put on trial. Instead they were brought over to the US and given jobs.

[MIGleader]

The US and Russians happily employed Nazi scientists and techs. You don't see the designers of the V-1 and V-2 rockets that rained down on London being put on trial. Instead they were brought over to the US and given jobs.

well, missle desingers are different. they dont actually control the missle and what it does, they most likely are forced to deign the weapon.http://www.twicegifted.net/vonbraun2.jpg

hes not an evil man...

[swimmerXC]

what about this man? :mad:
http://www.aiipowmia.com/731/ishii.jpeg

[DPRKUnderground]

what about this man? :mad:
http://www.aiipowmia.com/731/ishii.jpeg

He totally is!

[Chairman Hu]

duh!

If I see him in hell, (WHICH I WILL) I will do every chinese and korean a favor and carve him a manson is on drugs face

[swimmerXC]

wil you meet hitler and staling there? possibly bush? :o

[sumdud]

Nope, not fair. Those criminals knew better and so did the US. It's not like the US couldn't develop without them.

As to that guy, bring him to the streets hang down from his two pinkies and let the crowd at it!

And stay on topic.

[patriot]

It's not that America wants to support Ishii. It's that they don't want people to rebel in Japan. Ishii is a big Japanese national figure.

This discussion is bit off topic:off