Today's pearl island (zhen bao dao)--pictures of the border guards

[Red Guard]

http://www.cjdby.net/UploadFile/2005-9/20059614413757862.jpg
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this is the place where the 1969 border conflict between china and soviet union broke out.

[BrotherofSnake]

Whats with the White guy in the 2nd pic?

[Red Guard]

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[Red Guard]

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[Red Guard]

Whats with the White guy in the 2nd pic?

that's a russian officer. friendship between russian and chinese border guys NOW, making dumplings together.

[Red Guard]

i used to play around on canadian force forum and they say i post too many too big pics, if you guys have such problem with me, i won't post any pics. because in chinese forums they love to see these pics......

[T-U-P]

i used to play around on canadian force forum and they say i post too many too big pics, if you guys have such problem with me, i won't post any pics. because in chinese forums they love to see these pics......
it's ok, we're fine with that, i'd probably yell at you if it was in the old forum because it would expand the whole page horizontally. but now in this new forum only the picture posts expanded, so they're fine.

it must be freezing there. so more excerise is good ;)

[Red Guard]

-40 to -50 degree at winter, there are lots of border posts like that in the northen border. PLA border guards are one of the worst jobs in the army, around the nation, there are many posts like these, they are either too cold, too hot, too far from the sea level, or too far into the ocean. in many posts, there are only less than one squard soldiers and they stay there for months without seeing other people. i wonder if canada or US has such posts?

[T-U-P]

or too far into the ocean.
huh? as in they're in the sea/on ships? are there such boarder posts?

[PiSigma]

he meant guard posts on tiny little islands with only maybe 5-10 guys on it. usually in the south china sea. islands can be as small as 1 acre, a piece of rock that strategically located. they build a small fort on it and raise it high enough that tides won't affect it. and give the troops a small boat and food/water. taht's it. the bigger islands would be maybe a few hectres, still not very big, with maybe maximum 20-30 troops, those guys gets an artillery piece or two, and maybe a few small boats. in canada and US there's no need to so many border guards, since both of their longest border is the 49th parallel, which is the world's longest unarmed border. there's nothing north of canada, so there are just a few radar stations and icebreakers for the winter. both countries have oceans on both sides, so coast guards are more important.

[MIGleader]

why is the quality of the pis so bad???
they are recent phot's, right?

[Liberator]

In the conflict, Russian tanks are unstoppable by Chinese anti-tank weapons. But then China built lots of traps, the tanks fall under the ice and the crew came out with their hands up. Thats when China studied Russian tanks.

[Aluka]

In the conflict, Russian tanks are unstoppable by Chinese anti-tank weapons. But then China built lots of traps, the tanks fall under the ice and the crew came out with their hands up. Thats when China studied Russian tanks.
Actually USSR was victorious in this conflict, and it lost only one T-62, which led to WZ-122 program, and FCS upgrades on type59 tanks. It is necessary to add that the conflict was started by chinese side.

[rommel]

in many posts, there are only less than one squard soldiers and they stay there for months without seeing other people. i wonder if canada or US has such posts?

well, yes we have one post like this, it's called CFB Alert, look for that, that's far and lost somewhere in the north (the nearest human are at the US Air Force Base of Thule)

[Red Guard]

Actually USSR was victorious in this conflict, and it lost only one T-62, which led to WZ-122 program, and FCS upgrades on type59 tanks. It is necessary to add that the conflict was started by chinese side.
ja you see, that's the problem. US claimed they won in korea, and we claimed we did.....
if you put it this way. that piece of land was ours for the last....a long time, russian only got that far at the beginning of the last century, which was, invasion. and lenin claimed that the soviet government will give it back, which stalin never did.... and what happend there is the island is on the middl of the border, both sides had the rights and when you hate each other very much, you just need to find some excuse to fight, right? no one knew who started the first shot, but, because soviet union was more powerful, we, the chinese was blamed for it. it was a good cost, even thought we don't know how many soldiers were killed, but we got T-62, and we taught the russian (no offence) a lesson. I saw some pictures of the conflict from the russian side, it's not pretty, i can't tell ya.....i am sure we suffered heavy damage as well. There is something you may not know, the russian also had another border conflict on the northwest border, which they killed all of our guys. We were trying to defend the land from the invasion of russians, why would we start the war?.......

[Aluka]

ja you see, that's the problem. US claimed they won in korea, and we claimed we did.....
Well, but Soviet side was victorious, island remained under soviet control untill 90s.
when you hate each other very much, you just need to find some excuse to fight, right? no one knew who started the first shot, but, because soviet union was more powerful, we, the chinese was blamed for it.
According to russian version this was not an accident. Whoever invaded soviet border was prepared to it.
we taught the russian (no offence) a lesson
No offence as well, but what kind of lesson was it? Probably "Use more multiple rocket launchers, they're damn effective"
There is something you may not know, the russian also had another border conflict on the northwest border, which they killed all of our guys. We were trying to defend the land from the invasion of russians, why would we start the war?.......
Truly, i don't know anything about it. Did it really happend? And what is more importaint, did it really happend like this?

[Red Guard]

sometimes victorious isn't about gaining control of a piece of land.
invaded? by whom? fisherman? it was just a mistake at the bgeinning anyway. an island that was supposed to be on my side grown bigger and into the soviet border. it could be solved by diplomates but didn't at this special time.
the lesson is we are not as weak as they thought we are.
and ja, it did happen, there are lots of border conflicts they never talk about, especially things like this, all of our men got slaughtered......

[Aluka]

and ja, it did happen, there are lots of border conflicts they never talk about, especially things like this, all of our men got slaughtered......
This does not make a sense, nobody would attack any country just to kill some people.

invaded? by whom? fisherman? it was just a mistake at the bgeinning anyway. an island that was supposed to be on my side grown bigger and into the soviet border. it could be solved by diplomates but didn't at this special time.
Too much to be a coincidence. Conflict began exactly at the moment, when USSR could not start an all out war, due to negotiations with USA, and chinese soldiers had those "down with soviet revisionists" headers, and many nationalism-related books with them.
the lesson is we are not as weak as they thought we are.
I do not want to argue on this point, but according to history books chinese troops have lost 10 (if not more) times more personnel, then soviets.

[Red Guard]

This does not make a sense, nobody would attack any country just to kill some people.


Too much to be a coincidence. Conflict began exactly at the moment, when USSR could not start an all out war, due to negotiations with USA, and chinese soldiers had those "down with soviet revisionists" headers, and many nationalism-related books with them.

I do not want to argue on this point, but according to history books chinese troops have lost 10 (if not more) times more personnel, then soviets.
oh.....see, this is culture different. you wouldn't understand this due to the cultrue you have been in :D, this is not an insult. just you weren't taught to think like we do.
the first point is no point to argue because you won't understand it.
and second point, well, it's very hard to explain as well. as i said, the both sides were angry at each, so they need an excuse to let the anger out. this little border conflict could easily be solved by the officals in the embassies but they decided not to. there were both anti soviet in china and anti chinese in soviet union, you can't deny this, can you? and as i said, no one know who started the first fire, it could be a back fire of the rifle or even A CAR! who knows. at first, the conflict only involves beating on the ice, since russians are bigger than us, we got people who are better in kongfu and one time by one time......and about the book, come on, you people used to be in communist era, you know things like that, it seems pretty dumb now.....i did see chinese soldiers showing the soviet soldier what chairman mao said....what's the use...russians don't listen to chairman mao...
thirt point.
well, i won't deny that we lost more man, but we also made russian pay for that. it's like in viet nam, american thought they could take viet namese easily, but they lost a lot men, even though viet nam lost much more. but that's not about who lost more men in the battle, it's about how much damage you had caused to yourself. the conflict made the glorious soviet army lost its face. a lt colenel was KIA, the most advanced tank was captured.....that's no good......so, even we lost more men, it's worth of it. this also taught us something about the russians. "you can't reason with them with what chairman mao said." :D
border conflict never helps anyone.
oh, and, in china we say "history is written by the victors", so, do question your book, the number of enemy lost is always greater than the actual lost, which i won't deny we lost more men. after all, as in the soviet posters, "mothers are wiping", not the leaders.

[vincelee]

victors write the history books, and because both sides claim they won....well, you get my drift. But to say that the Russians won is typical Russian....thinking.

[Aluka]

You guys are just biased.
And by the way how could you possibly judge russian thinking? :mad:

[vincelee]

biased? And the mighty Aluka can just safely sit on his ass and say that he is completely inpartial? If you haven't noticed, I didn't say one way or the other regarding who won the "war".

Let me ask you this, did the US win Vietnam? According to your logic, which you applied to this particular thread, the US did.

And about who started the hostility. Chinese sources say the Soviets did, and Soviet sources say the Chinese did. How can you disregard one or the other when you weren't actually there? Or is it that Russian sources are inherently superior?

[Red Guard]

as i learned in high school. everyone, every source is biased. you are a russia, of course you are going to say good things about russian, and i am chinese of course i am going to say good things about us. even though you are trying to be inpartial, you have to see that you were educated by your side of source, and then you are biased.

by the way, one of the KIAed soldier who were entitled "hero" later is from my hometown. they made a poster of him called "life doesn't end, charging doesn't stop" he was wondered on the head and still charged for 6 more steps.

[Aluka]

as i learned in high school. everyone, every source is biased. you are a russia, of course you are going to say good things about russian
Exactly. Probably we should not start this at the first place.

[Red Guard]

this post was never meant to be an arguement. as the russian and chinese border guys are making dumplings, together. :D :D :D