Question on masculinity and male beauty standards

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Masculinity and male beauty is percieved differently among the various cultures of the world, just like female beauty standards. After taking part in the Ms. Universe thread, this topic came to my mind. What do you guys find to be the main differences in the ideals and standards of masculinity and male beauty amongst Western Civilization (or Europeans and Americans, if the two groups have different values and standards) and Far Eastern Civilization?

[dollarman]

Is this a report for your high school/college?
Or simply GayDar JK :)

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Is this a report for your high school/college?
Or simply GayDar JK :)

College paper :(

I choose the topic because I thought it'd be something the instructor knows very little about, more lee-way for BS.

[sumdud]

America vs. Europe. Let's just say one denounces and throws Freedom Fries at Metro men while the other have much more acceptance.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

America vs. Europe. Let's just say one denounces and throws Freedom Fries at Metro men while the other have much more acceptance.

What the hell does that have to do with masculinity and male physiques?

Furthermore, let me expand this topic to discuss views on beauty in general, for both of the sexxes. Male and female ideals of beauty.

[sumdud]

Well, would metro men be accepted widely in America? Are they considered masculinely beautiful aka handsome? NO, you being in Seattle know the word they are associated with.....

I guess I would be more a East Asian type of "shooter".
I am a conservative on this subject and I hate skinny slim jim bones, but I hate watermelons even more. Nothing out of the line basically. I don't like girls with heavy makeup. Just a pure and attractive enough face is good.

[Gollevainen]

For f**k sake lads, you are supposed to be proud members of proffesional chinese related defenceforum and you are discussing about male beauty standarts!!! What next, comparisons between the best moisture vaxes??

Jesus...:nono: guess someone needs to bound littlebit masculinity to you...:nono:;) As a hint to what is considered "menly" here in north is that mens don't discuss about male beaty standarts and ideals with each others...teenage girls do that...

[FriedRiceNSpice]

For f**k sake lads, you are supposed to be proud members of proffesional chinese related defenceforum and you are discussing about male beauty standarts!!! What next, comparisons between the best moisture vaxes??

Jesus...:nono: guess someone needs to bound littlebit masculinity to you...:nono:;) As a hint to what is considered "menly" here in north is that mens don't discuss about male beaty standarts and ideals with each others...teenage girls do that...

Haha, my first few days back after a 4 month abscence and Goll is already :mad: and on my tail.

Guess somethings just never do change. ;)

[planeman]

Being the handsome chap that I am, I have no problem with this topic. Golly on the other hand, may feel threatened by talk of masculinity ;)

But seriously I'm sure this topic is of interest to sociology students and we should be mature enough to discuss it> except me, I'm not mature enough to discuss it without trying to get the rise out of someone. But the rest of you should be.

My first hand experience of Eastern culture in the east is limited to Japan, but as an observation young males in Japan seem to follow a more "Emo" fashion trend which most would consider more feminine. not everyone obviously, but it's more common there than say UK or US. Japanese amine (spelt how?) clearly reflects (or drives?) the Emo look.

Popular male fashion incorporating characteristics that we might consider feminine is hardly anything new - 16th Century euopean gentlemen wore tights, frock coats, frilly collars and wigs, and wore rouge. Scotsmen still wear skirts. And British soldiers still wear smocks. haha. I used to have an SAS "Smock" (considered "Gucci kit" back in my days) - my friends laughed when I mentioned wearing a smock and somehow I just didn't get it.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Why do you guys think Far Eastern males are becoming more and more feminine? Has masculinity been tossed out the window in Asia? How is the PLA supposed to defend China if it must recruit from men that are essentially emo, anorexic teenage girls, when faced with well-built, muscular youths from the Western nations?

[Jeff Head]

Masculinity and male beauty is percieved differently among the various cultures of the world, just like female beauty standards. After taking part in the Ms. Universe thread, this topic came to my mind. What do you guys find to be the main differences in the ideals and standards of masculinity and male beauty amongst Western Civilization (or Europeans and Americans, if the two groups have different values and standards) and Far Eastern Civilization?
Uh...where I was raised, (Texas and western United States), women are more or less beautiful, and men are more or less handsome. I never have heard of a man being called "beautiful", at least not by a man that I, in my culture, would consider masculine.

As to what makes a man "handsome", I have never given it much thought or cared. Somewhat muscular, trim and clean cut I suppose...but I let the ladies worry about "handsome". I'm just glad my wife of 30 years found (and finds) me handsome. Since then, and excepting for where her thoughts are concerned, I haven't given it much of a second thought.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

and men are more or less handsome. I never have heard of a man being called "beautiful", at least not by a man that I, in my culture, would consider masculine.

Thats the problem with men in the Far East these days... they run around with make-up, hair products, skin-care products, tight jeans, queer looking outfits and hang out in coffee shops and juice bars. Real men eat beef, do work, and stay as far away from hygiene products as they could.

[sumdud]

Friedrice, how much oil have you been putting in your rice?

Not everyone in Asia wears "girly" clothes..........
Smoking is still pretty big in Asia though.
Working out in gyms isn't big in Asia, as there is money to be made. Hair products. Fashion just isn't big in Asia for men in general I think.

[Gollevainen]

Apparently you guys missed my attempt to ironically give an example of what is considered "masculine" in here. In our culture its often said that mens "dont kiss nor talk". We finns are somewhat stiff and uncoftable of disccusing anything even similar to this topic, or any other as well. Mens in all parts of the world are more restricted when it comes to talk about emotions but we finns have hard time to express devotion in words even to those we love most. For example its unhearded that a father would tell his son that he loves him or brother to another. Even to express it to your wife or girlfriend can be difficoult. Talking culture is also othervice somewhat narrow compared to other europeans. We eg. don't have other word for "small talks" than paskanjauhanta which basicly means talking BS...

But IMO mens aren't beatifull, nor hadsome and we don't have to be. Beaty is for girls and womens...