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swimmerXC

09-21-2005, 07:14 PM

nobody knows... not reveiled to public although these pics were from a Beijing airshow demostration
the best for last!!!!
guys, what is this....?!?!?, J-11x although i think it's J-11?
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9402/j10216df.png
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3447/j1021a6tb.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5836/j11b211lc.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9871/j11b21a5pi.jpg

MIGleader

09-21-2005, 07:31 PM

what are the the aircraft above the first j-11?

BrotherofSnake

09-21-2005, 08:24 PM

Looks kind of like a Gripen.

swimmerXC

09-21-2005, 08:56 PM

what are the the aircraft above the first j-11?

i was thinking a mod J-10 with DSI, possibly the J-10C??? but what made me changemy mind is that it's doesn't have a 360 cockpit glass but limited to only forward... who knows maybe new MiG-21 versions????

President

09-22-2005, 12:12 AM

its LFC-16, a new prototype demonstrate plane, it was first revealed in 2004 zhuhai aviation show and said can be develop to a unmanned fighter.
LFC-16 pices from bejing 2005 aviation show yesterday:D
http://jczs.sina.com.cn/nz/zglfc-16zdj/index.shtml

ahho

09-22-2005, 01:15 AM

i thought cy-1 was a rejected plane, also shouldn't start designing a navy jet or a stealth one???

swimmerXC

09-22-2005, 04:16 PM

Y-9, K-8
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/7159/y9227vn.jpg
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/5120/k8222vx.jpg

swimmerXC

09-22-2005, 04:17 PM

JL-15 LIFT
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/3363/l15226qx.jpg
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/9017/l1522a6io.jpg
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/7112/l1522b0bc.jpg

swimmerXC

09-22-2005, 04:20 PM

JL-15 LIFT
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/5784/l1522c7kh.jpg
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/2553/l1522d2le.jpg
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/8575/l1522e8do.jpg

Chairman Hu

09-24-2005, 05:14 PM

that part is round... like the hornet

whats the effectiveness of it?

MIGleader

09-24-2005, 06:31 PM

its a vary advanced trainer. see the page on it in sinodefence plaaf trainers.
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/trainer/l15.asp

Chairman Hu

09-25-2005, 01:27 PM

OIC, yea okie no further questions, it says it can be modified for attack role, what wpns is it gonna use?

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 04:24 PM

personally i think the L-15 can be used to replace all the J-7's in service, think about it; it's super maneuverable and has digital quadruple fly-by-wire (FBW)!
it's specs
SPECIFICATIONS

Crew: 2
Weight: Normal take-off 6,500kg; max take-off 9,500kg
Max Speed: Mach 1.4
Range: Combat radius over 550km
Service Ceiling: 16,000m
Max Climb Rate: 150m/s
G Limit: +8/-3

compare that the J-7E/G (newest J-7s)
SPECIFICATIONS

Crew: 1
Dimensions: Wingspan: 8.32m; Length: 14.885m; Height: 4.103m
Weight: Empty: 5,292kg; Normal take-off: 7,540kg; Maximum take-off: 9,100kg
Max Speed: Mach 2.0
Radius: (Long-range interception with two AAMs and three 720 liter drop tanks at speed of Mach 1.5) 850km; (Interception with two bombs and three 720 liter drop tanks, lo-lo-hi) 550km
Range: ferry range 2,200km
Service Ceiling: 18,800m
Max Climb Rate: 195m/s (sea level)
G limit: -3 to +8 (5,000 m)

it's not that bad, who knows if they can find a good enough radar for it, it can proably fire BVR and be used as ground strike, who knows maybe the L-15 will be the MiG-21 in the 21st Century

MIGleader

09-25-2005, 04:58 PM

why would you replave all the j-7s in service? the plane in oudated and so is its concept. china should get a few of those new fc-1 with dsi intakes.

the l-15 looks like it can be a uav killer with its small size.

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 05:04 PM

why wouldn't they replace all the J-7s?? are you saying they are going to keep them forever?

MIGleader

09-25-2005, 05:07 PM

no, im saying they should retire them eventually, and not find a replcement for its role as a super-light fighter interceptor. go for more modern planes.

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 06:51 PM

did you read the stats i posted?? look at the combat radius, the J-7E needs a drop tank while the L-15 doesn't those two are almost identical! except L-15 is modern and stealthy, i wouldn't call it light fighter too...it can carry more than the J-7E's

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 06:53 PM

SD-10, L-15
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7060/sd10256by.jpg
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5039/sd10a252ue.jpg
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/9098/l15258sa.jpg

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 06:54 PM

PL-9C
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3444/pl9c257cc.jpg
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4268/pl9ca259bk.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8890/pl9cd3bk.jpg
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/7231/pl9cb254rd.jpg

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 06:56 PM

Different AAM, Engine, KJ-2000
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3170/aam252fn.jpg
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8017/aama256bn.jpg
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/2953/engine252fy.jpg
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8123/kj2000257lw.jpg

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 06:58 PM

J-7, J-8+SD-10, J-8 Refuel
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9968/j7e257ry.jpg
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8624/j8256zh.jpg
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/1142/j18refule253wj.jpg

swimmerXC

09-25-2005, 06:59 PM

Su-27, Su-30MMK, J-10C?
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6442/su27250xm.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5702/su30mkk255mh.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1443/su30mmka257jl.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4492/j10c255ls.jpg

FriedRiceNSpice

09-25-2005, 07:16 PM

who knows maybe new MiG-21 versions????

Why are they still trying to make new fighters based of the J-7? Shouldn't they be working on fifth generation and UCAV fighters by now?

Wingman

09-25-2005, 09:04 PM

I'm sure that's not another MiG-21. Looking at the side of the plane, it says Cy-1 (Cykoj (Sukhoi) in Russian?)

It looks somewhat like the Israeli Lavi

And between the pics it says "stealth spy," that just happen to be a guy from ATS (some other forum) :eek: who apparently got banned. Maybe he found it and put his name on it

swimmerXC

09-26-2005, 04:50 PM

PS J-10C side, ???, PS J-XX
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2964/j10c279ol.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5550/jxx275jk.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7421/jxxa276ah.jpg

MIGleader

09-26-2005, 05:17 PM

i wouldnt call it ps, there just concepts.

Red not Dead

09-26-2005, 06:21 PM

Loool that is sooo much 1.44-ish.

Go build your own plane :D

vincelee

09-26-2005, 06:27 PM

The L-15 is also expensive as hell. Besides, the J-7 has a higher topspeed. Neither can mount a radar of any decent size. Take your pick.

MIGleader

09-26-2005, 06:39 PM

topspeed is not so important in modern warefare. besides, the l-15 features more cocpit gadgets like mfds, a hud, fbw...

vincelee

09-26-2005, 06:46 PM

now tell me, what the hell do you expect to do with a combat fighter derived from the MiG-AT in today's world? Low intensity warfare? Q-5 can take care of that, and much more cheaply too. Point defense? Doesn't have the top speed, and who the hell does point defense today anyways? It's not the Yum Kippur war. Air superiority? What the hell are you going to use as a radar? My flashlight? Multi Role? Well, aside from the point that it can't fight other birds, have you seen the payload? It can barely lift me, granted that I'm a fatass.

A trainer is made to do one thing: emulating the flight characteristics of the more advanced, and much more expensive, combat aircraft. And as combat aircrafts get more expensive, so do the trainers. But despite the rising cost, the trainer still only does one thing, and that's emulating flight characteristics.

Red not Dead

09-27-2005, 04:04 AM

Vince read my lips.

Keeepiiiiing theeeeeee SKAAAAAAAAïiiii krauddddddeddd (keeping the sky crowded). We know that in TRE the US airforce has always fared very very bad (in comparison with whom it was confronted).

swimmerXC

09-27-2005, 05:01 PM

J-10 PS, 2 J-10?
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9319/j1027a5we.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1844/2j1027a5yb.jpg

MIGleader

09-27-2005, 06:00 PM

china has enough j-10...they look like j-10b. i ve seen pics of them side by siude...why would they be ps?

swimmerXC

09-27-2005, 07:37 PM

looks psed, both are indentical and have the same landing gear on, and if you look closey, they open at the exact time and have the exacr distance for the back gears

swimmerXC

09-28-2005, 10:13 PM

radar, H-6D
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734287/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734287.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734288/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734288.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734293/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734293.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734295/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734295.jpg

swimmerXC

09-28-2005, 10:15 PM

H-6D
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734317/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734317.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734323/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734323.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734316/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734316.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734325/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734325.jpg

swimmerXC

09-28-2005, 10:17 PM

more...
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734337/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734337.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/734340/0/nouser_734/T0_-1_734340.jpg

tphuang

09-28-2005, 10:19 PM

china has enough j-10...they look like j-10b. i ve seen pics of them side by siude...why would they be ps?
they claim the bottom one is the twin-engined version of J-10. That's what shuang Ji means.

MIGleader

09-29-2005, 07:53 PM

funny how the photo is dated 9/11...

swimmerXC

09-29-2005, 08:50 PM

J-10C CONCEPTS
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/738391/0/nouser_738/T0_-1_738391.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/738390/0/nouser_738/T0_-1_738390.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/738395/0/nouser_738/T0_-1_738395.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/738393/0/nouser_738/T0_-1_738393.jpg

MIGleader

09-30-2005, 04:50 PM

the people that make these concepts need to stop stealing from the mig 1.44...and the f-22

sino52C

10-01-2005, 10:47 PM

looks a lot like a F-23 to be honest with you.

Red not Dead

10-02-2005, 05:05 PM

the people that make these concepts need to stop stealing from the mig 1.44...and the f-22

yup...Get your own plane...dammit:D

dodler

10-02-2005, 11:29 PM

Looks like a young boys fantasy!!!!

tphuang

10-04-2005, 10:58 PM

KJ-2000
http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1011/2005/10/4/425.jpg
http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1011/2005/10/4/426.jpg
http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1011/2005/10/4/818.jpg
http://bbsimages.military.china.com/1011/2005/10/4/782.jpg

muyang523

10-05-2005, 12:26 AM

WZ-9G
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/helo/Z-9G4.jpg
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/helo/Z-9G0.jpg
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/
Anyone got any information about that Tu-4 bull awacs.

vincelee

10-05-2005, 01:33 PM

Photo shopped, however during the cultural revolution time frame, there was such a design being proposed.

MIGleader

10-05-2005, 04:28 PM

it such a fake...china did buy a few tu-4's from russia in the fifties, and had awacs plans, but never really did it.

putting a new piston engine on a bomberr is harder than it looks.

muyang523

10-05-2005, 09:34 PM

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/3981.htm

muyang523

10-05-2005, 09:37 PM

Tu-4 bull awacs, it's real, and DongFeng used to have a website on it, but he deleted it.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/3981-2.jpg
http://www.maxcim.com/customers/tu4_awacs2-nats03.jpg
http://www.flyelectric.ukgateway.net/tu4a-gma.jpg

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/3981.htm

MIGleader

10-06-2005, 03:48 PM

why di he delete it? its good to know about chinas gear, past or present.
it certainly looked good.

what the pla doing with the plane now?

tphuang

10-06-2005, 09:26 PM

I just can't get enough of these J-10 pictures
Anyway, I think this shows J-10 can probably carry 6-7 AAMs and 4-5 bombs.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6811/j101006200511points3el.jpg

FriedRiceNSpice

10-06-2005, 09:37 PM

I just can't get enough of these J-10 pictures
Anyway, I think this shows J-10 can probably carry 6-7 AAMs and 4-5 bombs.

I count 8 AAMs and 3 bombs/fuel tanks.

shichiroji4

10-06-2005, 11:48 PM

I just can't get enough of these J-10 pictures
Anyway, I think this shows J-10 can probably carry 6-7 AAMs and 4-5 bombs.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6811/j101006200511points3el.jpg

This thing sure looks mean and evil. I've always wondered why most western fighter pictures out there have full load while Chinese ones are only with drop tanks and/or 2 SRAAM.

ahho

10-07-2005, 03:07 AM

i think you were looking at some old pics or maybe china dun want to let anyone know the payload

Deino

10-07-2005, 11:14 AM

tphuang

10-07-2005, 07:22 PM

that j-10 was sooo fake!! i could tell from the overload of missles.
shoot, my bad.

Now, I just need to get some WS-10A pictures.

Another try at it:
http://www.war-sky.com/forum/attachment/Day_051007/46_108158.jpg
http://www.war-sky.com/forum/attachment/Day_051007/46_108159.jpg

swimmerXC

10-07-2005, 10:12 PM

Im Back.... Kinda.... I'll Try And Get Pic Up Next Week Or So, After I Get Everything In Order Again!

tphuang

10-08-2005, 11:18 AM

JL-10A radar, this should be the one on JH-7A
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/20051082102350.jpg

MIGleader

10-08-2005, 01:14 PM

nah, its ok. but still pretty crappy. only 130 km range and can engage tow targets. im not sure about how many it can track, but its not meant to be multirole.

tphuang

10-08-2005, 01:25 PM

nah, its ok. but still pretty crappy. only 130 km range and can engage tow targets. im not sure about how many it can track, but its not meant to be multirole.
I think the stat listed on sinodefence for klj-3 is actually the number of jl-10a, that gives you an idea of how many it can track. It's meant more for ground strike and attacking ships than anything.

ahho

10-08-2005, 05:24 PM

something that i pick up in china-defence.com

link:http://www.china-defense.com/aviation/J8/J804.html
also read the page before this, it talks about a conceptual stealth j-8

MIGleader

10-08-2005, 05:27 PM

stealth? looks liker a j-8 wit canards. why would the chinese work on the j-8 when thay have j-10?
i cant see your pics, they are just yellow

tphuang

10-08-2005, 05:40 PM

yo, CDF prevents other sites from leeching off them, just post the url.

ahho

10-08-2005, 09:11 PM

ok i can't leech of them but you can go to the posted url

tphuang

10-09-2005, 01:10 PM

these are not really Chinese radars, but some of the well known radars offered by Russians that got rejected by plaaf:
http://www.war-sky.com/forum/attachment/Day_050923/132_103784.jpg
http://www.war-sky.com/forum/attachment/Day_050923/132_103785.jpg
I didn't realize kopyo is actually PAR

SY-80 used on F-7PG
http://www.war-sky.com/forum/attachment/Day_050923/132_103778.jpg

MIGleader

10-09-2005, 05:51 PM

why are the radar guides in english? the radars dont look so good in stats either. bars is way better. of course, the isralis have the best stuff.

tphuang

10-09-2005, 06:24 PM

why are the radar guides in english? the radars dont look so good in stats either. bars is way better. of course, the isralis have the best stuff.
that's why they got rejected by plaaf.

ahho

10-09-2005, 07:30 PM

stealth? looks liker a j-8 wit canards. why would the chinese work on the j-8 when thay have j-10?
i cant see your pics, they are just yellow
you may want to check the page before that on the link

tphuang

10-10-2005, 12:16 AM

http://www.cjdby.net/UploadFile/2005-9/200592815361888181.jpg
Interesting front page, does anyone think China is getting the production rights for Mi-26?

adeptitus

10-10-2005, 01:22 AM

Sorry guys, but this is a computer gerated graphic made by "Stinger" which was later photoshopped to like like showing more missiles !
The original one has only the two standard PL-8 + PL-11 !
Anyway there are two very nice new J-10 pictures !!!!
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=99634
and ...
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=99633
Cheers, Deino ;)

From the photos that I've seen, I count 6 hardpoints under the wings (3 each), and 5 under the fuselage - 1 center, 2 front, 2 aft. That's slightly more than the Mirage-2000-5, which only has 4 hardpoints under the wings (2 each).

Something slightly different - for those who play flight sims:

http://forums.xplanefreeware.net/index.php?showtopic=6269
http://forums.xplanefreeware.net/index.php?showtopic=5146
http://forums.xplanefreeware.net/index.php?showtopic=5150
http://forums.xplanefreeware.net/index.php?showtopic=5338
http://forums.x-plane.org/lofiversion/index.php/t14162.html

Far better stuff than photoshop chops:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=35281
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=35284
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=35282
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=35283

MIGleader

10-10-2005, 03:47 PM

you may want to check the page before that on the link
yes, finally someone in the plaaf thinks like me...fiting canards and ad a double delta on the j-8

tphuang

10-12-2005, 12:24 AM

the testbed for Chinese radars:
http://forum.mil.sina.com.cn/upload/71/5169/20050723/12/2575/2575.jpg

MIGleader

10-12-2005, 04:04 PM

yep, there tsting the new j-11 radar on it
those concept pics were nice, just the upgrade china needs for its flankers.

swimmerXC

10-12-2005, 08:58 PM

J-10, JH-7A
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/794734/0/nouser_794/T0_-1_794734.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/794735/0/nouser_794/T0_-1_794735.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/794738/0/nouser_794/T0_-1_794738.jpg

Su-27 Pilot

10-12-2005, 09:06 PM

tphuang

10-12-2005, 09:36 PM

Any chance of J-10 or the twin engine version of J-10 be the main fighter for the PLAN ??
if it can get better at precision strike and general attacks (launching YJ-83 and stuff like that), I don't see why not.

Su-27 Pilot

10-12-2005, 09:40 PM

if it can get better at precision strike and general attacks (launching YJ-83 and stuff like that), I don't see why not.

Current PLAN budget spending is still low on the naval airforce part. Mainly they spend on three thing:
1. Navy's new Anti-ship/carrier missiles
2. Varies Subs and ASW weapons
3. Marine's over-all equipment upgrade and other minor overall PLAN upgrades.

MIGleader

10-12-2005, 10:26 PM

that fh-7 is really fake...especially the missle
i hope china takes the fast way and buys migs and flankers for the first carreir, and later develop an indegedous carrier plane.

swimmerXC

10-14-2005, 06:21 PM

yea it's a CG, forgot to mention it
Shenyang F-12
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/802490/0/nouser_802/T0_-1_802490.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/802493/0/nouser_802/T0_-1_802493.jpg

MIGleader

10-14-2005, 06:33 PM

hmm...looks like a 70's design plane. not very stealty looking either.
but its an improvement. chinas first indegedous heavy fighter.
definitly not j-xx

swimmerXC

10-14-2005, 06:47 PM

70-80's design...
would of been nice if they made it, instead of those J-8s

swimmerXC

10-15-2005, 11:55 AM

JH-7, FC-1
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/805972/0/nouser_805/T0_-1_805972.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/805974/0/nouser_805/T0_-1_805974.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/805976/0/nouser_805/T0_-1_805976.jpg
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/805977/0/nouser_805/T0_-1_805977.jpg

tphuang

10-19-2005, 09:26 PM

WS-13A
http://www.freespaces.com/tphuang/post-10-1129704116.jpg

tphuang

10-19-2005, 11:46 PM

more J-10
http://www.war-sky.com/forum/attachment/Day_051019/46_70091_e84c907b5291262.jpg

Red not Dead

10-20-2005, 04:58 AM

70-80's design...
would of been nice if they made it, instead of those J-8s

Yes, despite having original mirage 2000 would have been even better

MIGleader

10-20-2005, 03:58 PM

so why was that plane cancelled?

Deino

10-21-2005, 12:02 PM

70-80's design...
would of been nice if they made it, instead of those J-8s

Sorry guys but both projects – the J-12A and the J-12B – depicted here are pure fiction !
Both drawings are from a very old book and show concepts of the J-9 delta-winged fighter and the Q-6 Swing-wing fighter bomber as they were believed to look like drawn by the sparse information or rumours available in the West. As Shenyang was the most well known Chinese Aircraft design and manufacturing company in the West it was quite normal to believe that Shenyang is responsible for both concepts …. Finally it was Chengdu for The J-9 and Nanchang for the Q-6 and both aircraft failed in the end because of technical issues (esp. the powerplant !)

The real J-12 was a lightweight fighter from Nanchang which was in competition with another concept called J-11 (not the Su-27 copy !) from Shenyang.

Here are the pictures put together: http://www.china-defense.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=214194

And here are some links to look regarding the J-11 and later J-13 from Shenyang !

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=3532&hl=shenyang+j-11

Cheers, Deino :coffee:

tphuang

10-21-2005, 09:54 PM

su-30mkk
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/200510212024460.jpg

muyang523

10-21-2005, 10:27 PM

Y-8 AWACS
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/gallery/Y-8AWACS.jpg

tphuang

10-23-2005, 04:50 PM

12 hard points on this new J-11:

Maybe that will be the standard for J-11B? larger thrust means greater payload?

http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/J-11-27_85531.jpg

MIGleader

10-23-2005, 05:18 PM

i was hoping the chinese would attampt to use some form of canards or tvc to cath up with the mki. the twelve hardpoints obviuosly reflect a desire for multirole planes.

swimmerXC

10-24-2005, 04:22 PM

J-11
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/840879/0/nouser_840/T0_-1_840879.jpg

MIGleader

10-24-2005, 05:20 PM

from this pic, we can deduct that either the j-11s are being built as the j-11a, they are recieving maintenance, this is ps with chinese markings, or that the chinese have finally made some j-11bs for testing

tphuang

10-26-2005, 10:03 PM

two seated J-10
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2005_10_27_49789_649789.jpg

AssassinsMace

10-26-2005, 10:50 PM

two seated J-10
http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2005_10_27_49789_649789.jpg

Does that cockpit/canopy look odd? It looks like something from those old kung fu movies on TV. No widescreen or pan and scan. They just suqeezed the whole picture in.

swimmerXC

10-27-2005, 12:07 AM

Sorry to say tphaug, but that's a PS, both the pilots got the same helmet and are the same exact texture and you can even see the blurness

ahho

10-27-2005, 12:28 AM

and it is a twin engine so that is definitely psed

MIGleader

10-27-2005, 04:08 PM

http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/fighter/J-10B0.jpg
what it should look like

some info
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

Gauntlet

10-27-2005, 04:40 PM

J-11
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/840879/0/nouser_840/T0_-1_840879.jpg
If this pic is not photoshoped (if they are, the dude who added the national markings on the planes is a skilled artist), its a strong indication that China is planning to operate a carrier in the near future...I'm so confused...

PLABUDDY

10-27-2005, 05:15 PM

If this pic is not photoshoped (if they are, the dude who added the national markings on the planes is a skilled artist), its a strong indication that China is planning to operate a carrier in the near future...I'm so confused...

OH my goodness...is that a flanker figher i see in the picture?? Still think Varyag is being used for entertainment purposes sczepan?

PLABUDDY

10-27-2005, 05:18 PM

J-11
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/840879/0/nouser_840/T0_-1_840879.jpg
where did u get this pic? How real is it?

swimmerXC

10-27-2005, 05:22 PM

some chinese forum, warsky or armysky.. something like that or was it http://mil.jschina.com.cn/

PLABUDDY

10-27-2005, 05:23 PM

some chinese forum, warsky or armysky.. something like that or was it http://mil.jschina.com.cn/
How real do u think that pic is? I hope it is real.

trkl

10-27-2005, 05:31 PM

That pic was posted in a different forum and the people said that it's a real pic, but it's like 10 years old and from a Russian factory. That is why you see an Su-27sk being made for PLAAF with a Su-33 in the background.

MIGleader

10-27-2005, 06:15 PM

do i see a tvc engine in the pic!!??

tphuang

10-27-2005, 10:31 PM

JF-17

http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/200510272133490.jpg

tphuang

10-27-2005, 10:37 PM

possible picture of JH-7B (JH-8)

http://www.chinavteam.com/chinav/attachment/Type_jpg/40_213.jpg

In4ser

10-27-2005, 11:07 PM

Damn....I hope so, looks sexy =)

tphuang

10-27-2005, 11:16 PM

J-14?

http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2005_10_18_90101_590101.jpg

MIGleader

10-28-2005, 04:24 PM

very interesting jh-7b pic. for one, i see many characteristics, particularly the nose, taken from the su-34. iut reminds me of that iranian stealth plane issa showed us...

i guess the hardest part will be redisigning the engine area to fit al-31.

swimmerXC

10-28-2005, 04:57 PM

Su-30 MKK
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/563/su30mkkb0at.jpg

tphuang

10-28-2005, 06:40 PM

these Chinese Y-8 EWs just pop up weekly, don't they?

If you check huitong's website, I'm getting confused by all the Y-8 EWs. This one hasn't even been listed. Apparently, this is already certified for naval service.

AssassinsMace

10-29-2005, 01:23 AM

AssassinsMace

10-29-2005, 01:27 AM

possible picture of JH-7B (JH-8)

http://www.chinavteam.com/chinav/attachment/Type_jpg/40_213.jpg

That's a beauty. Is it real or fan art? It makes me wonder because recently there was all those articles about the Chinese Su-32 version being close to production.

Gollevainen

10-29-2005, 07:30 AM

That's a beauty. Is it real or fan art? It makes me wonder because recently there was all those articles about the Chinese Su-32 version being close to production.

...very real...build in the LEGO factories...first prototype just taked of outside the LEGOLAND...;)

MIGleader

10-29-2005, 12:23 PM

man...i got to buy that set.:D
the aircraft resembles a su-34 and jh-7 hybrid. not to unrealistic, unlike some j-xx or j-10 pics.

tphuang

10-29-2005, 01:37 PM

more J-10 picture
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/200510292123130.jpg

Gollevainen

10-29-2005, 02:22 PM

Why no tactical numbers nor other markings...but still high visibility national insigia????

ahho

10-29-2005, 03:45 PM

just wondering in some magazine it show a j-10a with twin engine, but that is a computer art, and my question is that did they have intitial plan for j-10a to be twin engine???

MIGleader

10-29-2005, 06:34 PM

just wondering in some magazine it show a j-10a with twin engine, but that is a computer art, and my question is that did they have intitial plan for j-10a to be twin engine???

i dont think the pla ever planned the j-10 to have two engines. the airframe would be too hard to modify to fit two intakes and engines. i think talk of a twin engine j-10c is bullshit and china would just design a new fighter.

tphuang

10-29-2005, 09:23 PM

Why no tactical numbers nor other markings...but still high visibility national insigia????
don't know, could be a prototype of some sort?

As for twin engined J-10, there definitely is such a program, although one could easily argue that the result would no longer be J-10, but rather a different 3.5 generation plane. It's expected that this plane would use two WS-13A or RD-93 engines.

MIGleader

10-29-2005, 10:12 PM

don't know, could be a prototype of some sort?

As for twin engined J-10, there definitely is such a program, although one could easily argue that the result would no longer be J-10, but rather a different 3.5 generation plane. It's expected that this plane would use two WS-13A or RD-93 engines.

i think you mean 4.5 gen. and there is not ws-13a. its ws-13. there is a ws-10a. rd-93? not with smoke!!!

tphuang

10-29-2005, 10:21 PM

i think you mean 4.5 gen. and there is not ws-13a. its ws-13. there is a ws-10a. rd-93? not with smoke!!!
well, China uses the other system that calls su-27/F-16 3rd generation whereas F-22 is 4th generation. As for WS-13, there are apparently different types of WS-13 engines coming out. I get confused easily. Here is one chart

4、贵州黎阳航发公司：
【WS13天山】★（仿俄罗斯RD93改型），中推力涡扇，加力推力85千牛，预计2006年批量生产，用于FC1(J9)、双发型J10C。
【WS13A泰山】（WS13缩小涵道比改型），中推力涡扇，加力推力75千牛，预计2006 年批量生产，用于J7、JL9和J8系列升级换代。
【WS13B】（WS13大涵道比不加力改型），中推力涡扇，推力70千牛，预计2006年批量生产，用于支客。

swimmerXC

10-30-2005, 09:30 AM

FC-1
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3549/fc1latestconfiguration021kp.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/5715/fc1latestconfiguration012hs.jpg

MIGleader

10-30-2005, 09:37 AM

how will this fc-1 compare to the mig-29? thats the closest rival i could find.

tphuang

10-30-2005, 12:30 PM

interesting picture.
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20051030/images/12799186_2005103012315113123100.jpg

ahho

10-30-2005, 02:38 PM

intersting comparison of size. where did you find the chart???

FriedRiceNSpice

10-30-2005, 02:48 PM

tphuang

10-30-2005, 03:24 PM

intersting comparison of size. where did you find the chart???
military.china.com

MIGleader

10-30-2005, 04:53 PM

is the fc-1 really that small?

it looks like an f-16

e-x-e

10-30-2005, 09:16 PM

i dont think the pla ever planned the j-10 to have two engines. the airframe would be too hard to modify to fit two intakes and engines. i think talk of a twin engine j-10c is bullshit and china would just design a new fighter.
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2005-10-28/815841_471623045.jpg
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2005-10-28/815841_471622676.jpg
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2005-10-28/815841_471622288.jpg
who knows, it might look like this:D

Red not Dead

10-30-2005, 09:42 PM

Whats TRE?

Target Rich Environement...

swimmerXC

10-30-2005, 11:27 PM

possible J-XX design? :)
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/863934/0/nouser_863/T1_-1_863934.gif (http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=863934)
http://s7.imagehosting.us/uploadpoint/imagehosting_upload_storage/nouser_863/T0_-1_863946.gif

drunkhomer

10-31-2005, 05:03 AM

looks like an elementary kid who drew dat;)

ger_mark

10-31-2005, 05:24 AM

there self drawed planes are getting worse and worse...

MIGleader

10-31-2005, 03:44 PM

swimmer, did u draw that?

vincelee

10-31-2005, 03:52 PM

looks suspiciously like an F-15 to me... must be some douchebag in 5th grade on this side of the pacific.

swimmerXC

10-31-2005, 03:59 PM

swimmer, did u draw that?

nope, dont have time to draw, plus i dont have a scanner

tphuang

10-31-2005, 08:55 PM

image of a J-10 shooting down a F-18A/E
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/200510312158530.jpg
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/200510312159050.jpg

tphuang

11-01-2005, 10:23 PM

J-12
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2005-11-01/1020487_812673994.jpg
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/pic/2005-11-01/1020487_812674203.jpg

swimmerXC

11-01-2005, 10:51 PM

OK this thread is getting too big how about staring another one guys?

tphuang

11-01-2005, 10:58 PM

someone else do it,

more J-10, claimed to be twin-engined. I'm thinking the person who posted this probably got it confused with twin-seat.
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/20051112109540.jpg
http://mil.jschina.com.cn/up/up/20051112110020.jpg

Gollevainen

11-02-2005, 06:40 AM

When i was under ten years old...and i already then liked to draw own desinged figters and attack planes. Back then i tought the more hardpoints in wings, the cooler the aircraft looked...Now why is it that these guys who makes these PS pics of their dream- PLAN future planes shares the same view in wich crew up about ten years ago???

Well anyway, perhaps it would be vice to start "part II" thread, but consider this: No more douple pic posting eg. No need to post same pics twice in the same thread. Also if you reply to post wich has pics, don't use the quote button, but the reply button. Quoting can be made as in the old forum. Also posting these Photoshopped wet dreams of someones should be taken to consideration. As they are 99% just fantasies, under the more proffesional line of us, they should not be included in general PLAAF pic thread. Perhaps you can open a new thread of possiple future plans and in the offtopic forum a dedicated thread for the most childish concepts.

sumdud

12-11-2005, 11:06 PM

What'd you expect from that picture?
It's just a hand drawn design, not PS photo or comp generated.
But what are the new stuff from that design? VTOL nozzles and weapons pod for weapons carried externally?

5 HP on one wing on that J-10C? That'll mean a BIG boom in size.

Now on that photo of J-11A, why'd they put 2 HP next to each other? Wouldn't it be betterfor MLUs?