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drunkhomer
09-19-2005, 02:56 AM
U.S.: Agreement in N. Korea talks

Monday, September 19, 2005; Posted: 2:07 a.m. EDT (06:07 GMT)

China's state-run news agency, Xinhua, reported an agreement that would go even further.

"The DPRK (North Korea) is committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs," a Xinhua report said, citing a joint statement signed by participants at the talks.

"The DPRK also pledges in the statement to return, at an early date, to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and to IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards."

Earlier in the day, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill said the talks were in their final stage.

"I really think that we're at the endgame this morning," Hill said.

"DPRK (North Korea) has some demands and the question is whether anybody accepts those demands and I think we have a pretty good arrangement on that but I have to see what it looks like finally."

Monday was the seventh day of what were the fourth round of six-party talks, featuring the United States, North Korea, Russia, China, Japan and South Korea. During the last session, the parties met for 13 straight days, taking a recess in early August.

Kenichiro Sasae, Chief Japanese delegate to the talks, expressed optimism ahead of Monday's sessions.

"I think that we are going to have a result today," he said. "We like to try our utmost to have a good result."

But Song Min-soon, South Korea's Deputy Foreign Minister, was not as confident of success.

"It is not a question of who accepts the draft, rather it is that all sides accept it," he said.

Throughout the talks, North Korea has clung to its position of maintaining a civilian nuclear program, while Washington wants Pyongyang to give up its nuclear program.

Participants have offered numerous carrots to North Korea to get it to give up its weapons program, including economic aid and security guarantees from the United States.

North Korean officials have said that Pyongyang is looking carefully at what appears to be the Bush administration's recent conciliatory tone.

In his 2002 State of the Union Address, U.S. President George W. Bush called North Korea, Iran and Iraq an "axis of evil" that is "arming to threaten the peace of the world." As recently as July, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called North Korea one of six "outposts of tyranny."

In a rare interview with CNN in the North Korean capital last month, North Korea's Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Kwan said Pyongyang wants to pursue a peaceful nuclear program and is willing to adopt "strict supervision" of its nuclear facilities.

"As we resolve the nuclear issue we are willing to return to the NPT (nuclear non-proliferation treaty) and fully abide by IAEA (U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards.

Pyongyang ordered U.N. nuclear inspectors out of the country in December 2002, and pulled out of the NPT the following month.

"If someone is concerned with regard to our possible nuclear activities which could lead up to the manufacture of nuclear weapons out of the operations of a light-water nuclear reactor, then we can leave the operations under strict supervision," Kim said, offering to allow the United States a role in monitoring.

"We would like to pursue peaceful nuclear energy power generation and this is a quite urgent issue that faces our nation," he said.

"And this is a very appropriate policy in light of the economic situation of our country. That is why we cannot make a concession in this field."

The World Food Program says that North Korea is headed towards the worst humanitarian food crisis since the mid 1990s, when an estimated 1 million North Koreans died. WFP says 6.5 million North Koreans desperately need food aid.




drunkhomer
09-19-2005, 02:58 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/korea.north.talks/index.html

sorry 4got da link

anyways...u think NK will stay true to their words?

walter
09-19-2005, 09:23 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/korea.north.talks/index.html

sorry 4got da link

anyways...u think NK will stay true to their words?


well, if the past is any indication they cannot be trusted, but that is no reason to not try to resolve the current situation. If they were to one day renege, well, it wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

MIGleader
09-19-2005, 05:00 PM
north korea has a right to nukes. any country does. its just that they need to prove themselves capable of handeling them. its unfair to say the u.s can have 10,000+ nukes while nk cant have any. there is also no need to call them an out post of tyranny or whatever. it still aiming at a civilian huke program, right?

DPRKUnderground
09-19-2005, 06:23 PM
north korea has a right to nukes. any country does. its just that they need to prove themselves capable of handeling them. its unfair to say the u.s can have 10,000+ nukes while nk cant have any. there is also no need to call them an out post of tyranny or whatever. it still aiming at a civilian huke program, right?

LOL! If North Korea got their hands on nuclear weapons, it would be "the Rape of Seoul". North Korea would use the Bomb against huge cities. The US isn't going to anytime soon. And they are an outpost of tyranny, 250,000 people thrown in the gulag! How's that for a fact!

MIGleader
09-19-2005, 06:34 PM
untrue. i dont believe even kim jong il is crazy enought to use nukes on seoul. there would be huge economic consequences, which would result in the end of nk. if nk can prove thamselves capacble of handeling nukes, they should be allowed a few. but they wont be able to prove them selves for several decades.

TJJH
09-20-2005, 02:15 AM
DPRKUnderground, have you ever considered the fact that North Koreans are human too? That they would rather see a united Korea rather than a devastated one? Think it over, the only reason they're going for nuclear weapons is to deter massive militaries like America's.

Issa
09-20-2005, 02:27 AM
Damned traitors. From the very beginning, I knew these clowns would sell out.

chopsNL
09-20-2005, 02:57 AM
If those NK's get nukes, how do you guys feel about Japan having nukes? And SK? More nukes is not healthy for the world. Kim might not be crazy to use them now, but who say's he won't become crazy after a while?

MIGleader
09-20-2005, 05:30 PM
yes of course a nuclear world is a scary thing, but the fact that big countries get to have them byt the thousands is also scary. theyu need to controll their nuke arsenals. if nk gets nukes, japan and sk will follow.

Aznsilvrboy
09-20-2005, 05:39 PM
Theres been a change in the deal. North Korea announced that until the US delievers the nuclear reactors...they wont cease their nuclear weapons program.

DPRKUnderground
09-20-2005, 06:17 PM
DPRKUnderground, have you ever considered the fact that North Koreans are human too? That they would rather see a united Korea rather than a devastated one? Think it over, the only reason they're going for nuclear weapons is to deter massive militaries like America's.

They're Brainwashed humans! They would believe anything Kim Jong-il says, if Kim Jong-il starts saying the US is good, then the people will love the US.

MIGleader
09-20-2005, 06:39 PM
hmmmm??? i highly doubt it. kim jong il does not posses the cult of personality his father had. the nk's would follow sung to the end, even if he mistreated the. but in nk, most people hate jong, and would like to be rid of him. many people also hate america for these sanctions that hurt them, although it is not their fault.

crazyinsane105
09-20-2005, 07:06 PM
Uh, NK just demanded nuclear reactors if they are to give up their nukes. I don't think this whole disarmanent thing is going to work.

adeptitus
09-20-2005, 07:13 PM
North Korea has severe energy shortage problems and is interested in using the nuclear card to extract as much as it can from the other nations.

Why nuclear?
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=ma03norris
"North Korea has uranium deposits estimated at 26 million tons"

T-U-P
09-20-2005, 11:35 PM
it's surprising how fast the NK have changed. just a few days before (before the mid-autumn holiday) the six-party talk was still at stalemate. and now NK is willing to give up its nuke program. im not sure if NK would do what they say, or if US would give NK reactors first, but let's hope this is the end of the crisis.

although i do think it's unfair for US to have all the nuke warhead while other countries cant, but being a chinese, i don't hope NK to get nukes because if some experiments have gone wrong (or if NK starts to bomb Seoul), then the explosion would surely affect northern provinces of china.

now what would Iran do...

MIGleader
09-21-2005, 04:04 PM
iran is holding firm on its weapon program. and unlike pakistan, the country has some bargaining chips like oil and the aid of SCO. thats why sanctions have yet to be launched. seeing how its soo close to isreal and its 200 nukes, i dont see why iran dosn't deserve nukes.

DPRKUnderground
09-21-2005, 08:59 PM
hmmmm??? i highly doubt it. kim jong il does not posses the cult of personality his father had. the nk's would follow sung to the end, even if he mistreated the. but in nk, most people hate jong, and would like to be rid of him. many people also hate america for these sanctions that hurt them, although it is not their fault.

What the hell are you talking about! They still love Kim Jong-il, sure not as much as Kim il-Sung but they still love him. But closer to the Chinese border and in the countryside, his popularity is going down.

MIGleader
09-22-2005, 04:46 PM
hundreds of nk's flee to china,. its like their version of the u.s. there, they can find jobs and live undr a more democratic communism.

DPRKUnderground
09-22-2005, 06:04 PM
hundreds of nk's flee to china,. its like their version of the u.s. there, they can find jobs and live undr a more democratic communism.

Until they are finally rounded up a few months later and sent back where they are beaten, and sometimes executed. :(

Liberator
09-22-2005, 06:04 PM
north korea has a right to nukes. any country does. its just that they need to prove themselves capable of handeling them. its unfair to say the u.s can have 10,000+ nukes while nk cant have any. there is also no need to call them an out post of tyranny or whatever. it still aiming at a civilian huke program, right?

True true.

USA say that China cannot have nukes and USA can have nukes because USA is a great country that protects everyone.

sumdud
09-24-2005, 12:41 AM
...............
Stopping the program at the expense of getting a few reactors.....
The talk was a dead end anyway.........
I don't think Kim really cares about Seoul, since I think that he thinks that life is cheap.
He wants a united Korea, but he wants to be in power.
People don't like Kim Jong Il as much as Kim Il Sung anyway, and the people in the North hates him.
But they'll probably follow due to fear.

MIGleader
09-24-2005, 11:00 AM
Until they are finally rounded up a few months later and sent back where they are beaten, and sometimes executed. :(


i know alot of nk's make it. i seen a few of them in beijing myself.
china has a norther province/area witch has a korean culture.
alot of nk's hate kim, despite western report that they are brainwashed and love him to the end.