Automatic rifle complete

[Issa]

As much as I would like to say Kheibar, I say the Type 97 is the best.

[ger_mark]

g36 offcourse

http://www.depot53.com/178/News%20Releases/IWA%20G-36%20Large.jpg

[Vytautas]

G36 indeed

[rommel]

I'll choose the german good old-style G3 series rifle, I'm nostalgic of those heavy round 7,62 NATO once used in the Army. In my unit, we consider the 5,56 NATO round as female target shooting caliber, it's not powerful, bad stopping power, but more useful, I admit, for a modern short distance battlefield than the heavy round because of less recoil and easier to use for new recruit, so the 5,56 is not very appreciate by the veteran... "I don't like this new rifle, it's like a platic BB Gun" (Quote from movie We were Soldiers about the M16) If I really has to vote for 1 of the 4 that in the list, I'll choose the M16 (well, i'm more thinking about our C7A1)

[Issa]

I apologize that the list sucks (I was aware of this when I was posting it), but I just wanted to see what people would think of me including an Iranian rifle on the list. Surprisingly, no one spoke out. :D

[Vytautas]

I'll choose the german good old-style G3 series rifle
Heavy

[rommel]

Heavy

we don't relly care it's heavy or not, it's a little more than the loaded C7A1, not a big difference when we carry it, BTW, the G3KA4 is light enough... when a weapon it's too light, we will think that's cheap instead, that why we are attached to our bulkier and heavy Browning Hi-Power GP35 pistol of WWII-era, the weight give safety mentally to soldiers

[Vytautas]

Ok so i admit.In some occasions g3 beats the g36.In firefights that are up to 100m or more.Thats why lithuania chose the g3 instead of the g36.We have a fairly low level of urbanisation so forests and fields would be the main battlefield here and here is were the g36 isnt as good as the g3.

[ger_mark]

hmm g36 has a max. effective range of 800m

[Gollevainen]

Well i made my point quite clear on the annouchments posted in every forum...and this thread is on the edge...should i close it? perhaps, tough discussion of assault rifles and their capapilityes isen't forbidden in here.

....But as i said when making these threads, give adecuate information against wich the comparison should be made. What do we know about Type 97 or that iranian rifle? Have anyone here actually fired whit them?


I apologize that the list sucks (I was aware of this when I was posting it), but I just wanted to see what people would think of me including an Iranian rifle on the list. Surprisingly, no one spoke out.

If you where aware, then why on earht you post it anyway? Alone for that i should have closed this one. So for punishment you are now obligated to tell us more about the iranian rifle...

[Vytautas]

So for punishment you are now obligated to tell us more about the iranian rifle...

:D Sometimes i think fried rice was right for calling you "father"

[Liberator]

Type-95!

[dannytoro]

.............An AK-74 is not quite up to M-16a2 standards. I've fired both and I like the M-16 sight better overall, but the AK-74 (or AKM) sights under 150 meters are pretty good. I'm not a big G-3 fan. I've got a CETME, and have fired many G-3's including alot of derivatives like the PTR's and they are not the fastest handling rifles around. I got to handle an XM-29 at Fort Stewart a few weeks ago, what a lead chunk that thing is. They said 18lbs weight, but it felt more like 25lbs. I wasn't to sold on the what appeared to be a G-36 lower either. Pity they would not let me crack off a few 20mm grenades. Maybe next time.........

[Issa]

I apologize. It has not entered service yet, but the Kheibar will probably replace the AK-47 wihin the next two years, first with the SF, gradually trickling down into our regular forces. Here is a video:

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/Videos/Kheibar.wmv

And some pics:

http://www.shiaimages.net/data/media/74/1-IRIAF-04industry(000).jpg

http://www.shiaimages.net/data/media/74/1-IRIAF-04industry(001).jpg

http://www.shiaimages.net/data/media/74/1-IRIAF-04industry(017).jpg

http://www.shiaimages.net/data/media/74/1-IRIAF-04industry(014).jpg

Please delete this thread if you wish.

[Liberator]

I apologize. It has not entered service yet, but the Kheibar will probably replace the AK-47 wihin the next two years, first with the SF, gradually trickling down into our regular forces. Here is a video:

Is Kheibar a Russian made weapon? If not, then Kheibar will NEVER replace Ak-47.

[MadMax]

i would take the M 16 but only if it had the barrel switched for either 6.8 mm or 6.5mm ammo the 5.56 dosent have enough range or stoping power
what caliber is the kheibar?

[dannytoro]

http://www.alexanderarms.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/24ovwatchkit.jpg



.............I guess an Alexander Arms in .50 Beowulf would be bone crunching enough for hitting power. I'd probably opt for the 16" .50 and grab a 6.5 Grendel 24" upper for the long range chores.......

[FriedRiceNSpice]

:D Sometimes i think fried rice was right for calling you "father"

Well, back in the old forum we were one big happy family, and Gollaveinen was the father who kept the rest of us in line. I was the mature oldest sibling, while Sumdud and SwimmerXC (then OneDream88) were the two little tots in diapers.

[Issa]

Is Kheibar a Russian made weapon? If not, then Kheibar will NEVER replace Ak-47.

Nope! 100% indigenous Iranian.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Is Kheibar a Russian made weapon? If not, then Kheibar will NEVER replace Ak-47.

He means in the Iranian army not the Russia/Chinese/Othe army. It will replace all the AKs used in Iran.

[Gollevainen]

I was the mature oldest sibling, while Sumdud and SwimmerXC (then OneDream88) were the two little tots in diapers.

oh really?? And i always thougth it was other wise... :D

but to the point, any pics of how the interiors of this iranian rifle looks like? Where it is based and how it works?

[BrotherofSnake]

I heard bullpop rifles are difficult to shoot in the prone position.

[MIGleader]

theere is no best riffle. if your looking for an expensive, high end weapon, get the g36. if you need a cheap, realiable weapon, get an ak-74.

personaly, i think the chinese type 03 and 87A riffles were the best. they combined the reliability and great performance of the ak with modern polymers and a powerful 5.8mm bullet.

the m16 sucks. it is not as reliable as it could be and the 5.56 has its flaws. i dont see many polymers in it either. its just a 60's weapon with some improvements. it never had as much design potential as the ak.

iran makes some pretty decent rifles

[Issa]

@MIGleader

Thanks for the compliment, but we have yet to produce an indigenous assault rifle (Kheiber is our first). However, we have produced our own Submachine gun, Tondar:

http://www.diomil.com/armament/images/bimages/7.jpg

[BrotherofSnake]

Looks like an MP5.

[Issa]

Indeed, it takes many traits from the MP5. But it's a start!

[Liberator]

Nope! 100% indigenous Iranian.

Its Iranian alright. How can a it replace a GENIOUS Russian rifle? Has it ever been on a battlefield?

Personally, I think the Kheibar is a Iranian copy of the Chinese type-95. When is Kehibar first made?

[Liberator]

Hello all forumers, in this topic, we will be tallking about the World's automatic rifles. Only the ones mostly used.

I like the Type-95, AK-47, and I think C7's recoil is less and maybe better firepower than M4 (Personally).

Does USA still use M16?

[BrotherofSnake]

The Marines still use it. The Army is using mostly M4's now.

[Issa]

2002, I believe.

[chinawhite]

http://www.diomil.com/armament/images/bimages/7.jpg

looks like a MP5 hardcore

http://www.navyseals.com/images/MP5.gif

http://www.hkpro.com/image/mp5-10proto.jpg

[ger_mark]

mp7 is better :)

http://blog5.fc2.com/g/gaga/file/HK_MP7_02.jpg
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/pdw_02s.jpg

[Issa]

Alright, I am going to translate what the video (which I posted earlier) stated for you folks. It says that the Kheibar has already entered production, and will be in general use with the ground forces in 6 months. In spite of the fact that its barrell is 25cm or so shorter than that of standard foreign rifles, its rounds exert an equal amount of force. It is fit both for close combat and for sniping and such. Hope that is of some help. The video didn't state much, as you can see.

[Liberator]

Kheibar looks cool. I think its a copy of Type-95. They do look a lot the same. Issa say that Kheibar was first made in 2002. But Type-95 in 1995 :).

[Liberator]

Mp7??? <-- Looks wierd but it must be good.

Tondar said the Iranian SMG said Issa. Right?

[Issa]

Yes. Tondar is our own. :cool:

[rommel]

The Marines still use it. The Army is using mostly M4's now.

Why Army will use M4 ?? It got less range and accuracy, I remember that M1Tanker told me before that the M4 was mainly for recon team and vehicule crew... The infantry will keep the M16

[BrotherofSnake]

Depends on the mission I guess. Currently in Iraq the Army is equiped with M4s because it is better in an urban environment. M4 has the same stopping power as the M16, it is fully automatic, and it is lighter too.

[TerraN_EmpirE]

I would vote G36 but it's not there so M16 as long as it's been modified with a ZM weapons, HK416 , or Berret M468 upper.
this Iranian gun looks closer to the Styr AUG or SAR21 then the Type 95. and is probably more closely related to the AUG then the Type 95 that is not to say it is a bad gun.

As for the Tondar? It looks like an Early MP5 9mm they used the straight Clip as well.

[MadMax]

the iranian gun looks like a combanation of a Famas G2 and a Type 95
dose any one know what caliber it is?

[BrotherofSnake]

probably 5.56 or something similar.

[MadMax]

i was wondering if they'd go there own way with ammo like china or use NATO ammo witch is very plentiful that would definatly be a cheeper and easier way to go

[Issa]

probably 5.56 or something similar.

Indeed it is. I am nervously anticipating its arrival into service. :D

[BrotherofSnake]

Is it going to become standard issue, or just for elite divisions.

[Issa]

When it first enters service, I believe it will be only with the 23rd SF Division, which is the most skilled division in the Army (no conscripts). It will probably not be used by the regular forces for another 5 years or so.

[sumdud]

I'll take either the G36 or the AK-74. :D
G-36=quality
AK-74=reliablity

The 800m range is for area targets, right?
Alright, I am going to translate what the video (which I posted earlier) stated for you folks. It says that the Kheibar has already entered production, and will be in general use with the ground forces in 6 months. In spite of the fact that its barrell is 25cm or so shorter than that of standard foreign rifles, its rounds exert an equal amount of force. It is fit both for close combat and for sniping and such. Hope that is of some help. The video didn't state much, as you can see.

You mean 25 mm?
The Kheibar is really small.......
It's good for CQB........ while there are rounds chambered......
And that's a quite lot of recoil.....
I don't see a lot of success....... battle wise

[Issa]

I was surprised, too, but that's what the video says. Probably a mistake.