PLA Army's transport helicopters

[Su-27 Pilot]

PLA owns both Blackhawks and Mi 17 for transport needs. But for SOME reason that the Army favor the Mi 17 as thier front line troop transport than the UH Blackhawk I wonder why ??
Since China is very good at copying military hardware so production shortages will be out of the list.

[Totoro]

As far as I remember (I haven't checked any data so I may be wrong) Chinese haven't copied the blackhawk. Maybe it's politics with US. Anyhow, I think they have like 20 blackhawks which would lead me to believe that's the reason why it's not front line copter. Just not enough numbers. I assume they have far bigger number of mi17s and it's better to standardize such equipment/transpotr platforms.

[Su-27 Pilot]

As far as I remember (I haven't checked any data so I may be wrong) Chinese haven't copied the blackhawk. Maybe it's politics with US. Anyhow, I think they have like 20 blackhawks which would lead me to believe that's the reason why it's not front line copter. Just not enough numbers. I assume they have far bigger number of mi17s and it's better to standardize such equipment/transpotr platforms.
True, but I think the PLA is aware of Blackhawks's overall performance is better than the Mi17 as afront line troop trasnport. So let us hope the Blackhawks will be the main backbone as a trasport copter. But again as the Air force and the Navy eats up most of the annual military spendings, and Army only gets a small piece of cake.

[Gollevainen]

[QUOTE]True, but I think the PLA is aware of Blackhawks's overall performance is better than the Mi17 as afront line troop trasnport. So let us hope the Blackhawks will be the main backbone as a trasport copter. QUOTE]

You know that there's no way USA ever going to sell China more blakchawks...

...and as the Mi-17 is availble even to possiple licence production, why on earht would china go trhu difficoult and exhausing reverse-engineering task?

[stonewind]

The blackhawks you mentioned were sold in the cold war 80's. When China was hoping to be able repel a soviet invasion. Few were sold to China in the 80's and after the collapse of big red and tianamen square insident, the U.S. no longer shared interest in making the land of tsing an ally. Therefore the sale of military equipment ceased.

[MIGleader]

on another thread, there was a story about a guy who smuggled black hawk engines to china, possibly for reverse engineerring a complete engine. china is also making its own transport copter that is to better than black hawk.

sikorsky ahould just open a plant in china.

[MadMax]

the MI 17 is better for large cargo because it has a rear door plus it probably can carry more troops inside

[muyang523]

PLA owns both Blackhawks and Mi 17 for transport needs. But for SOME reason that the Army favor the Mi 17 as thier front line troop transport than the UH Blackhawk I wonder why ??
Since China is very good at copying military hardware so production shortages will be out of the list.

It think the promblem is the 20 blackhawks still in service are to old and needs spare parts, but the U.S. don't want to sell it to China. Plus do you guys think China should purchase Mi-26 Halo.

[tphuang]

on another thread, there was a story about a guy who smuggled black hawk engines to china, possibly for reverse engineerring a complete engine. china is also making its own transport copter that is to better than black hawk.

sikorsky ahould just open a plant in china.
well, I'd think any future Chinese transport helicopters would be based on the technology China learnt from the Sikorsky project. Remember, they were actually involved in the development, that must have helped. At the same time, they got a lot of contacts with Western Helicopter companies from WZ-10 project.

[walter]

China is also in talks with eurocopter for coproduction of some or one model (not sure which one(s)). It will of course be a civil model, but China will surely gain valueable experience and technology from the program.

[tphuang]

China is also in talks with eurocopter for coproduction of some or one model (not sure which one(s)). It will of course be a civil model, but China will surely gain valueable experience and technology from the program.
i think WZ-10 is getting a lot of cooperation from the eurocopter people. Apparently, that is the reason of the secrecy. They don't want the European companies to get in trouble.

[Chairman Hu]

Quick Question

How is the WZ-10 compared to the Ka-31? forgot...

[tphuang]

Quick Question

How is the WZ-10 compared to the Ka-31? forgot...
they are different types of helicopters. Ka-31 is an AEW type of helicopter, whereas WZ-10 is an attack helicopter like Eurocopter Tiger

[adeptitus]

How about the Z-8A? It's got a rear cargo door:
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/z8.asp

[Chairman Hu]

oh okie thankyou

Z-8 Hound? HEY WHY IS THE LINK UNAVAIABLE!??!?!

[flyingpingouin]

Somebody already heard about the medium transport helicopter Z-10 ?
looks like he get the P&W PT6 engine but i am not sure

[MIGleader]

z-10? thats an attack copter

[sumdud]

China should stay with the Mil-17. It is more capable in capacity, more range, but a little slower. It has a ramp however, while the Black Hawk doesn't.(The chopper is attractive, but that big tail with its inconvient and sometimes unusable shape is just a big chunk in the trunk...) Plus, China has no spares for the Black Hawk, and any copying is just an unneeded gamble.

As for the Z-8, it does about the same as the Mil-17, but uses three engines. And the in test Z-8A is said to have failed its tests.(Heard from one of the sites, Huitong?) Plus, how much are they making each year?
Z-8 Hound? Dude, the hound is the Ka-1/2.......
I doubt the New copter will be named Z-10. Since you have the WZ-10 and for its role it will have a slim body, how will the unarmed Z-10 carry anything?

The Z-9 is enough for now. It's light, but it carries enough and is fast, quiet, and have the longest range of any Chinese copter in service. (1000km)

[tphuang]

China is getting Mi-26s from Russia.

[sumdud]

China is? You have an article?
That'll make transporting a lot sweller.
Mil-17s and Z-8s can't carry heavy vehicles.

[tphuang]

China is? You have an article?
That'll make transporting a lot sweller.
Mil-17s and Z-8s can't carry heavy vehicles.
check the picture thread, it was front page news on a Chinese military magazine.

[muyang523]

US would not sell blackhawks to China and China can't manufacture blackhawks because it will be illegel. The blackhawks are geting old and need spare parts or it will be replaced. The best canidates should be MI-17 and Mi-26.