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ahho
09-11-2005, 01:33 AM
just wondering, what happen to the j-9 designation, how come they jumped from j-8 to j-10



tphuang
09-11-2005, 02:23 AM
it was cancelled.
Chairman Hu
09-11-2005, 12:44 PM
The J-9 was said to be a MiG-23/Gripen(?) style fighter plane with the speed the same as the Eagle and it was cancelled I think due to funding or tech trouble, errr w/e I think I'm wrong
DPRKUnderground
09-11-2005, 04:04 PM
It's considered the FC-1 instead, military experts think China will give the FC-1 the J-9 deignation when it's put into production.
FriedRiceNSpice
09-11-2005, 05:32 PM
It's considered the FC-1 instead, military experts think China will give the FC-1 the J-9 deignation when it's put into production.

No, we are not talking about the FC-1. There was a different plane designated the J-9.

http://www.china-defense.com/aviation/chinese_fighter_development/chinese_fighter_development-2.html
MIGleader
09-11-2005, 05:36 PM
whatever it was, it does look alot like an fc-1. but such a plane would be outdated against modern fighters.
FriedRiceNSpice
09-11-2005, 05:39 PM
whatever it was, it does look alot like an fc-1. but such a plane would be outdated against modern fighters.

Since it was developed after the original J-8, chances are that such a plane is at least significantly superior to the J-8 and J-8I. A modernized version of the plane with some touch-ups and slightly redesigned and with modern avionics would essentially make a more manuevable J-8II/J-8III. So it would kind of be a halfway between the J-8II and J-10.
MIGleader
09-11-2005, 05:41 PM
exactly what the fc-1 is. but why get j-9 whrn you have j-10, j-11, mkk, and the j-xx soon.
FriedRiceNSpice
09-11-2005, 05:44 PM
exactly what the fc-1 is. but why get j-9 whrn you have j-10, j-11, mkk, and the j-xx soon.

It appears to be larger but less advance than the fc-1, with better performance and payload specs but not as good manuevability. Also probably heavier and more expensive.

Why get the J-8II when you have J-10, J-11, MKK, and the j-xx soon. Just think of today's PLAAF with all J-9s instead of J-8IIs.
Chairman Hu
09-14-2005, 09:56 PM
*shivers*

You have a point there, what IS the point of the J-8, it's like what is the point of having F-4s in the American AF... oh wait... ALL OF THE RETIRED!
tphuang
09-14-2005, 10:13 PM
*shivers*

You have a point there, what IS the point of the J-8, it's like what is the point of having F-4s in the American AF... oh wait... ALL OF THE RETIRED!
so SAC isn't sitting around.
PiSigma
09-15-2005, 02:14 AM
SAC is not sitting around, they are doing the R&D for Jxx. think it's more because PLAAF can't afford to have all J10s and j11, money wise and also engine wise. still have to import engines for J10s remember. so for upgrading the second line of air units, it's the new most advanced J-8s. and for elite air units then J10s, J11, MK2 etc.
skyhawk2005
09-15-2005, 02:21 AM
SAC is not sitting around, they are doing the R&D for Jxx. think it's more because PLAAF can't afford to have all J10s and j11, money wise and also engine wise. still have to import engines for J10s remember. so for upgrading the second line of air units, it's the new most advanced J-8s. and for elite air units then J10s, J11, MK2 etc.

SAC is going to fail at their JXX. I am more confident in CAC, the developers of the J10 but politcally, they lag behind SAC.

Chinese need to award companies based on merit and ability; not on politics. I have the feeling SAC will fail on the JXX project.

J8 is a piece of Crap. J7 (CAC) is much better than J8.
PiSigma
09-15-2005, 02:41 AM
glad you like 611 (CAC) better. my great uncle works there. :p
skyhawk2005
09-15-2005, 02:54 AM
glad you like 611 (CAC) better. my great uncle works there. :p

Awesome. Next time you see him, ask him what CAC's plans are for JXX?

And tell us. LOL.
PiSigma
09-15-2005, 03:23 AM
saw him last year, he didn't tell me anything then. and didn't tell me anything about J-10.
Deino
09-15-2005, 02:49 PM
Oh .... just take a look here !!!

http://www.afwing.com/intro/j9.htm


Cheers, Deino ;)
Chairman Hu
09-15-2005, 04:24 PM
CAC has the upper hand like Sukhoi does really because SAC copied the Su-27 as their lastest and CAC has the Jian-10, sure China imports the engines, but i gotta admit, CAC is better today

WHat happened to Xi'an?
tphuang
09-15-2005, 08:17 PM
CAC has the upper hand like Sukhoi does really because SAC copied the Su-27 as their lastest and CAC has the Jian-10, sure China imports the engines, but i gotta admit, CAC is better today

WHat happened to Xi'an?
it produces JH-7A and Y-8 transports.
MIGleader
09-16-2005, 07:50 PM
you can kinda think of sac as sukoi and cac as mig. xian is kinda like tupelov.
FriedRiceNSpice
09-16-2005, 07:52 PM
you can kinda think of sac as sukoi and cac as mig. xian is kinda like tupelov.

Or CAC as Sukhoi and SAC as Mig. SAC, like Mig dominated in the 50s, 60s, and 70s while CAC took over with the FC-1 and J-10, just like Sukhoi surpassed Mig with the Flanker series.
Chairman Hu
09-16-2005, 08:27 PM
I agree with FriedRiceNSpice, i wish CAC took over the J-XX

btw, who was in charge of the J-9 again?
MIGleader
09-16-2005, 09:12 PM
i think it was shengyang, who also made the j-8 around the same time. correct me if i'm wrong.
sino52C
09-16-2005, 10:59 PM
whatever happened to Nanchang?
MIGleader
09-17-2005, 12:38 PM
it kinda disapeared, like illyushin, into the backround as more modern planes hit the market.
Chairman Hu
09-19-2005, 06:23 AM
It really wasnt fair though, Ilyushin built refuels and transport, and even a light-bomber, oh well...

What did Nanchang built? and if J-9 was built, how well will it fair against J-8, FC-1 and the J-10?