PLAN Pictures Thread 4

[swimmerXC]

Give me a second...
Well as the forum said, register users only... be my guest to take any or all the pictures in any of these thread and save it to your HD or use it else where.
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http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9224/82628064au.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6521/8262806a2jm.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2766/8262806b4mh.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9310/ships15266xi.jpg

[swimmerXC]

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http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2121/ocean630062zl.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4101/ocean63006a0yy.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/681/ocean63006e9cj.jpg

[swimmerXC]

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http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6909/song705066cy.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5968/song70506a6fu.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/428/song70506b2mi.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4120/song70506c7bd.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8103/song70506d5on.jpg

[tphuang]

this is kind of interesting, type 22 is actually sailing around in downtown Shanghai. In case you don't know where it is, on one side of the river is the Shanghai's financial tower and TV tower. On the other side of the river, it is the famous "Nanking street" in Shanghai.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1434/type22july88yi.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/5382/type22july827zj.jpg

[jwangyue]

Indeed it is very interesting. Does anyone know that if the government has officially confirmed the existence of this Craft yet?

Unless the pictures are PSed (which I have not found any of the usual flaws yet), it doesn't even look like the craft is disguised at all (like the new car tests)

[AssassinsMace]

There have been plenty of pics of it around Shanghai before the paint job. The PLAN doesn't seem to be hiding this one.

[tphuang]

well, as we know, there were 2 shipyards building 054. One is Hudong in Shanghai that built 525 and the other is huangpu in guangzhou that built 526. A week or 2 ago, we saw the pictures of 054A in Shanghai surfacing and now we have the first picture of 054A (actually, kanwa surprisingly had the first) of Huanghttp://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3210/054hpjuly106rk.jpgpu built in Guangzhou.

[swimmerXC]

Nice, the super structure looks like the 054 which is a good sign
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4024/cover710060jg.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7874/brass710062uu.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6825/top710064my.jpg

[swimmerXC]

FAC, Subs
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8172/221171206a0hs.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7382/sub713060lq.jpg

[swimmerXC]

Park, 138...
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6774/park72006yk7.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6906/park72006aum7.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5263/park72006bex9.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7231/park72006ccb2.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9193/13871806ai7.jpg

[swimmerXC]

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http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4361/type02272906ftd7.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6311/type02272906exa0.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5758/type02272906gdv7.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1015/sov72906jt7.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/473/40672006bub5.jpg

[Jeff Head]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6311/type02272906exa0.jpg

Hmmm...Am I seeing things, or are the last two digits on that FAC, "49". That implies that quite a few more have been built.

[jwangyue]

and it seems like it is not using propeller, but rather steerable waterjets as proposion units. This will greatly increase its speed. Coupled with the catamaran hull design, this is cerntainly a very capable ship in terms of manuverability.

[tphuang]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6311/type02272906exa0.jpg

Hmmm...Am I seeing things, or are the last two digits on that FAC, "49". That implies that quite a few more have been built.
yeah, we know a lot have been built, but not sure how many.

If PLAN was nice and actually built from 08 all the way to 49, that would make this the 42nd type 22.

[sumdud]

42nd already? That's.............fast production...............too fast? This boat belonging to another fleet would make more sense.....

Those waterjets are small.........and this ignorant man here isn't so sure that 4 waterjets will be adequate enough for power....

[tphuang]

pictures of 168
http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/568/168aug5jc5.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4458/168aug52cp7.jpg

[tphuang]

this is a type 22 FAC with number 50.

again, how many type 22s are there? any guesses?
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3930/type22no50qh5.jpg

a few more type 22s
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9043/type22aug121au1.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2275/type22aug122dw1.jpg

[Jeff Head]

this is a type 22 FAC with number 50.

again, how many type 22s are there? any guesses?It seems that the PLAN is really in mass or series production for these vessels. Clearly there are more than the orignal four we saw early last year. There could be anywhere from ten to a couple of dozen of them by this time if they have been mass producing them since that time. I know I have seen a lot of pictures of them, some with numbers in the 40s and now this one marked 50...but I do not believe there are that many of them or we would have seen the other, lower numbers by this time too.

It could be disinformation as well...but a minimum of 8-10 is probably a good start...maybe a lot more.

[tphuang]

The interesting thing about type 22 is the production rate. It seems that many of the smaller shipyards that normally cannot build warships for PLAN are capable of pumping out type 22s. To do a basic guestimate, we've probably seen 2 shipyards in Guangxi, 1 in Guanzhou, 1 in Qingdao, 2 or 3 in Shanghai and maybe 1 in Wuhan. So, you have at least 7 shipyards building them. We've normally seen them built in batches of 3-4s.

[ying1978]

Some more 022:

http://aug14.imghost.us/jvfyek.jpg
http://aug14.imghost.us/seapnh.jpg
http://aug14.imghost.us/zlyueu.jpg
http://aug14.imghost.us/ulzttv.jpg
http://aug14.imghost.us/lxwdvp.jpg
http://aug14.imghost.us/yyjjwd.jpg

Quoted from "漏斗子"

22艇装备五个大队，北海一、东海、南海各二，一个大队八艘，共计四十艘。

那五个大队，全海军仅有的两个导弹艇大队，跑不了的，一个在福建，一个在川岛，基本尘埃落定。

东海第二家，应该是温州的护大。

南海第二家，倾向是在海南，不会是猎潜艇大队或者导护艇大队换装，那很可能新组建。

北海放在哪儿，现在频频出现在青岛，给快一支？旅顺也可能吧

[斑鸠ikaruga]

ikaruga, welcome to our forum! In the future please post pictures of PLAN ships in this thread. Unless of course you wish to start a discussion on this type ship.Thank you!

bd popeye moderator

[swimmerXC]

Type-022 FAC and 054A
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3736/type02281406zx4.jpg
That FAC that was hit a month ago in HK
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2533/76581406jj5.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3362/76581406auf8.jpg
WTF is this thing? compare it to the one we already have
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7223/wtf81406pj4.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1396/heloeg3.jpg

[bd popeye]

That last ships looks like some sort of container ship that has been modified with some sort of platfoirm.. looks weird. Could be used to transport all these nice new FAC's the PLAN has:china: :) ...I've seen lots of diffrent numbers on them...:confused: Interesting!

Did a typhoon hit that ship that appears to be wrecked??

[Jeff Head]

That last ships looks like some sort of container ship that has been modified with some sort of platfoirm.. looks weird.I believe the 82 is the SHICHANG, a multi-role support and training vessel ship for the PLAN, that can be used as an aviation training ship used for helo training.

The aft deck can handle two 2 Zhi-9A helicos, and it spans two-thirds of ship's length which allows simultaneous operations of multiple helicopters. This facilitates training for shipboard helicopter operations, as well as amphibious assult training.

The aft deck can also house containers for equipment required for various training missions, allowing rapid reconfiguration. The overall layout is a lot like the Arapaho concept tested by the Royal Navy on RFA Reliant in the 1980s.

It displaces 10,000t and is one of the largerships in the PLAN. So, it kind of provides a training platform for large ship handling and flight deck operations.

A lot of people believe that the Shichang is the prelude to the construction of a helicopter carrier or amphibious assult vessel, and provides a basis for perfecting fixed-wing aircraft carrier operational concepts.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/shichang-pic1.jpg

[swimmerXC]

Did a typhoon hit that ship that appears to be wrecked??

typhoon :mad:

I believe the 82 is the SHICHANG

I know that, I'm just comparing this new ship to it, it seems more stealthy?

[Gollevainen]

WTF is this thing? compare it to the one we already have

At first I would have said it's the new NZ multipurpose auxilliary ship...but the backround looks rather chinese and also this vessel seems to be bigger...I try to dig something out...

[swimmerXC]

长江北岸的某不明舰船
North shore Yangtze River's some unclear ships

[ying1978]

Another 022 shot taken at Lüshun.

http://aug15.imghost.us/pwdyvy.jpg

[Jeff Head]

Another 022 shot taken at Lüshun.

http://aug15.imghost.us/pwdyvy.jpgWow! There look to be four more of them right there. I believe there could be upwards of several dozen of these already built or in the process of being built. How many will the PLAN create? What do the folks on SDF think?

[tphuang]

from what ying posted
Quoted from "漏斗子"

22艇装备五个大队，北海一、东海、南海各二，一个大队八艘，共计四十艘。

那五个大队，全海军仅有的两个导弹艇大队，跑不了的，一个在福建，一个在川岛，基本尘埃落定。

东海第二家，应该是温州的护大。

南海第二家，倾向是在海南，不会是猎潜艇大队或者导护艇大队换装，那很可能新组建。

北海放在哪儿，现在频频出现在青岛，给快一支？旅顺也可能吧

It's basically saying 40 in total in 5 fleet. Each will have 8 type 22. Actually, if it really is by the spoiler dude (claims in that little text), then it might have some truth. Not sure if he is saying there are already that many or there will eventually be that many.


Edit:
According to Xinhui on CDF, there are 13 type 22 under construction right now.
6 in Shanghai, 2 in Qingdao, 2 in Guangzhou and 3 in Guangxi.

[Jeff Head]

It's basically saying 40 in total in 5 fleet. Each will have 8 type 22. Not sure if he is saying there are already that many or there will eventually be that many.Well, I believe there are probably a good 8-12 already finished and from what I am seeing, there could easily be another 12-15 under construction right now.

According to Xinhui on CDF, there are 13 type 22 under construction right now. 6 in Shanghai, 2 in Qingdao, 2 in Guangzhou and 3 in Guangxi.This sounds right. Sounds like very soon there will be somewhere between 25 and 28 of the vessels built with more coming, probably to the forty number you spoke of. They are fast and seem stealthy, they could pose a signifigant threat to other surface groups, particularly depending on the range and targeting of their missiles.

[tphuang]

Well, I believe there are probably a good 8-12 already finished and from what I am seeing, there could easily be another 12-15 under construction right now.

yeah, I'm guessing around 25-30 right now that have already joined serve or under construction. When I see UC, I mean you can already see clearly that it's a type 22.

This sounds right. Sounds like very soon there will be somewhere between 25 and 28 of the vessels built with more coming, probably to the forty number you spoke of. They are fast and seem stealthy, they could pose a signifigant threat to other surface groups, particularly depending on the range and targeting of their missiles.
Most likely 2x4 YJ-83s. That's why Y-8s are so important. The type 22s really need their tracking and guidance.

In war time, these things can be pumped out a lot faster than the surface fleet.

[ying1978]

Latest progress of Huangpu's 054A:

http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc301/th_16498_10_1084_1534e22b48b4995_122_301lo.jpg (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16498_10_1084_1534e22b48b4995_122_30 1lo.jpg)

[tphuang]

more type 22s pumped out of Huangpu
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7325/type22aug17aa5.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3060/type22aug172xa3.jpg

more, although less clear, 4 type 22s.

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=type22aug173br0.jpg

[renmin]

What ship is this?
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/html/2005-12-09/23193.htm

[Jeff Head]

Nonexistent. Looks like a "what-if" based on the 52C but with beaucoup more VLS cells. Lengthened 52C concept with 160 missiles. Haven't heard any talk about this PLAN ship actually being built...just conceptual at this point as far as I know.

[ying1978]

Update on HP's 054A:
http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc407/th_84379_3_44979_f9fc6d40ef30065_122_407lo.jpg (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=84379_3_44979_f9fc6d40ef30065_122_40 7lo.jpg)

[swimmerXC]

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http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/565/fac90706ab6.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2559/17182906se7.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3504/52c90606da1.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2527/52680906lb3.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6775/navalaviation81806apc6.jpg

[tphuang]

apparently both 071 and 054A are in this picture, but I only see 071.
Anyhow, this is the latest photo we have from HD
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/48/071054asep9sp3.jpg

[swimmerXC]

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http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6787/lst81106gse3.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4761/lst81106zq6.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1937/lst81106dbm2.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6434/lst81106fwh4.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7118/lst81106edj9.jpg

[planeman]

......
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/565/fac90706ab6.jpg
Is that a PS or a real camo scheme?

[swimmerXC]

Is that a PS or a real camo scheme?

looks real to me, hurt my eyes though

[zyun8288]

apparently both 071 and 054A are in this picture, but I only see 071.
Anyhow, this is the latest photo we have from HD
http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/48/071054asep9sp3.jpg

Have a look at the bottom right hand side

[swimmerXC]

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http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6158/torpedo82906buf6.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2580/torpedo51606wz7.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/772/torpedo53106ur5.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1212/torpedo82906fv5.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7343/torpedo82906afg9.jpg

[ying1978]

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc418/th_36684_31_122_418lo.jpg (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=36684_31_122_418lo.jpg)
http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc518/th_36689_32_122_518lo.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=36689_32_122_518lo.jpg)

[tphuang]

hey Ying, I'm going to be copying your photos on the 054 thread.

Also, more photos of 071
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5605/071sep102wr4.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4607/071sep103gy9.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6263/071sep104xc9.jpg

[swimmerXC]

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc418/th_36684_31_122_418lo.jpg (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=36684_31_122_418lo.jpg)
http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc518/th_36689_32_122_518lo.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=36689_32_122_518lo.jpg)

Damn we can already see the Top Plate and Bandstand :china:

[ying1978]

054A with 022, the top plate is also visible in this pic.

http://img106.imagevenue.com/loc461/th_45303_33_122_461lo.jpg (http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=45303_33_122_461lo.jpg)

[swimmerXC]

My turn :)
052D DDG?
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1971/052d91006yb8.jpg

[snake65]

Looks more like aft view of a LSD:china:

[zyun8288]

Looks more like aft view of a LSD:china:

No, that's for the new YuanWang 5 scientific observation ship.

And have a look at this Soccer World Cup 2006 edition PLAN scientific ship:

[swimmerXC]

I guess it is real...
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1984/fac91106gga4.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1213/fac91106dql7.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4947/fac91106cfp9.jpg

[ying1978]

yet another pic of HP's 054A:

http://img42.imagevenue.com/loc576/th_53447_34_122_576lo.jpg (http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53447_34_122_576lo.jpg)

[Jeff Head]

yet another pic of HP's 054A:

http://img42.imagevenue.com/loc576/th_53447_34_122_576lo.jpg (http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53447_34_122_576lo.jpg) In addition to the 054A, look at all the Type 022s.

[zyun8288]

another shipyard:

[tphuang]

another shipyard:

any idea where these are built at?

[swimmerXC]

any idea where these are built at?

You know there's something about those FAC's, I think the PLAN divides them along the North and South Sea Fleet. Those painted blue ones seem to be for the South to blend in with the blue sky and water, while the gray ones are to blend in with the white/grayish water and sky in the north....

[ying1978]

http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc347/th_57036_2006918112054_122_347lo.jpg (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57036_2006918112054_122_347lo.jpg)
2211 commissioned

[ying1978]

enough of Huangpu's 054A, now check out the progress at Hudong:

http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc488/th_48017_HD_122_488lo.jpg (http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48017_HD_122_488lo.jpg)

[swimmerXC]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9394/17192006am6.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3898/17191206ex0.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1739/17191906xa6.jpg

[eric chu]

http://www.cnni.com.cn/bbs/UploadFile/20http://www.cnni.com.cn/bbs/UploadFile/20031216133225660.jpg031216133911598.jpghttp://www.cnni.com.cn/bbs/UploadFile/200312161133179824.jpg
Chinese Zeus Shield

[eric chu]

http://pic.tiexue.net/pics/2005_10_26_47821_647821.jpg

[tphuang]

found these on CDF.
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2619/071oct3we7.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3002/071oct32gn5.jpg
071 is slowly coming to shape

[ying1978]

Second image of 054A after launched. The main gun (covered in green canvas) does not looks like a 100mm.

http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc392/th_24166_054a_122_392lo.jpg (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24166_054a_122_392lo.jpg)

[ying1978]

Claimed to be 022:

http://img155.imagevenue.com/loc314/th_50199_top_122_314lo.jpg (http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=50199_top_122_314lo.jpg)

[swimmerXC]

071....
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8563/071100706ci5.jpg

[swimmerXC]

.......

[drunkhomer]

can somebody post a pic of what the type 071 is suppose to look like when complete....like a model or concept art pics

thx

[swimmerXC]

can somebody post a pic of what the type 071 is suppose to look like when complete....like a model or concept art pics

thx

dont know about the VLS....
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/751/071100106bsv3.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3556/071100106ev2.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7546/071100706arz0.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6641/071100706bbu0.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2258/071100706crl7.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6318/071100706elt3.jpg

[drunkhomer]

thx swimmer

[ying1978]

Clearest picture of 054a so far:

http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc531/th_30446_14102006_1_122_531lo.jpg (http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30446_14102006_1_122_531lo.jpg)

[Jeff Head]

don't know about the vlsSwimmer, if the Chinese produce an LPD that looks like that, with the VLS and CIWS, I will have to give them very much credit for comming a long, long ways in a very short time. Though it will not have the capacity of a US LPD like the San Antonio, for their purposes, it looks to be a very capable amphibious assault ship design.

Clearest picture of 054a so far:

http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc531/th_30446_14102006_1_122_531lo.jpg (http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30446_14102006_1_122_531lo.jpg)That is a GREAT pic...and I have to tell you, a very fine looking frigate. Very nice lines and she looks like she is going to be very capable. I want a much better look at those VLS cells.

[tphuang]

Swimmer, if the Chinese produce an LPD that looks like that, with the VLS and CIWS, I will have to give them very much credit for comming a long, long ways in a very short time. Though it will not have the capacity of a US LPD like the San Antonio, for their purposes, it looks to be a very capable amphibious assault ship design.

That is a GREAT pic...and I have to tell you, a very fine looking frigate. Very nice lines and she looks like she is going to be very capable. I want a much better look at those VLS cells.

yeah, that pictures seems to indicate the LPD will be using 2 type 730 CIWS and HQ-7 SAM with 100 mm gun, that definitely seems to be quite capable self-defense. The interesting part will be to see what kind of helicopters it will equip. I think Ka-29s are a good candidate.

Yeah, if we get a chance with the VLS cells, we will be able to tell if it is shtil type of VLS launchers or not.

Anyhow, I'm moving this to the 054A thread.

[swimmerXC]

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http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8134/054a101506bqt8.jpg
http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/9690/z9100806ok7.jpg

[PeoplesPoster]

Great shot.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/xondu/2566db9b82d187b9ba4wa1.jpg

[swimmerXC]

Great shot.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g147/xondu/2566db9b82d187b9ba4wa1.jpg

Guess this means that the 52C's are operational and the PLAN have admitted that they exist... to China?

[swimmerXC]

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http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2443/052c101806uw9.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8732/052c101806arm3.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1891/052c101806biq1.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3858/052c101806clj3.jpg

[Jeff Head]

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http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2443/052c101806uw9.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8732/052c101806arm3.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1891/052c101806biq1.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3858/052c101806clj3.jpgNow, this is the type of SAG or surface group the Chinese should be sending on their goodwill and show and tell missions to the west IMHO...such a thing would be much more impressive than the older DDG and replenishment vessel they currently send.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8732/052c101806arm3.jpg

BTW, great pics!

[Wingman]

I was at Qingdao this summer and we passed by those frigates on a boat trip to LiuGong Dao and I took some pictures of them. Have fun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2921/1001212cu3.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2015/1001213ou5.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1156/1001214vw8.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2171/1001274lj9.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2452/1001275jm9.jpg

[Sczepan]

I'd like to see a carrier there .....

[tphuang]

new pictures from 071 I believe
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5977/071oct31ji6.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2441/071oct312xu5.jpg

[planeman]

new pictures from 071 I believe
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2441/071oct312xu5.jpg
There's something wrong if that's 071; there's no dock at the back!

The angled hull sides make it a dead cert at it's a naval vessel. And it looks too big for a destroyer.

Ok speculation: Light aircraft carrier similar HMS Ocean or Principe De Asturias without the skijump.

[planeman]

More recent picture shows superstructure with mast fitted. Doesn't look like an LSD to me. More likely a destroyer or frigate.
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/5407/t71il0.jpg

[swimmerXC]

More recent picture shows superstructure with mast fitted. Doesn't look like an LSD to me. More likely a destroyer or frigate.
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/5407/t71il0.jpg

Thats the 054A :p

[planta]

c-704?
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/noads/11054186/20061031/images/13711566_2006103110443526454700.jpg
天威?ty-90
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/noads/11054186/20061031/images/13711566_200610311044356803400.jpg

[Jeff Head]

There's something wrong if that's 071; there's no dock at the back!

The angled hull sides make it a dead cert at it's a naval vessel. And it looks too big for a destroyer.

Ok speculation: Light aircraft carrier similar HMS Ocean or Principe De Asturias without the skijump.
From this angle it is difficult to be for sure that there is no well deck at the back. Too big for a DDG perhaps, but also too small for a carrier IMHO.

I am waiting to see what the superstructure looks like to make more of a determination...but it is a large vessel, and does have a military look about it. We shall see, it is coming along nicely whatever it is.

[planeman]

From this angle it is difficult to be for sure that there is no well dock at the back. Too big for a DDG perhaps, but also too small for a carrier IMHO.

I am waiting to see what the superstructure looks like to make more of a determination...but it is a large vessel, and does have a military look about it. We shall see, it is coming along nicely whatever it is.
I disagree (very amicably BTW, lol). The illustration below tries to explain what I mean:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6538/untitledsc8.jpg
The Top image is as per the photos. It is clear that the deck goes right across at the back so if there is a dock, it must be below this deck level.
The middle picture puts the deck level constructed into context withh the bow height. This suggests that it is not the uppermost deck. Finally an illustration of what I'd expect to see if it was a LSD.

It seems illogical that they would construct a LSD with a dock that is not tall enough to accomodate large air-cushion vehicles such as those recentky imported from Russia. This picture of a model shows what I mean; note how the dock has maximum headroom and the ceiling of the dock is at the same deck level as the bow:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2258/071100706crl7.jpg

[planeman]

Thats the 054A :p

Maybe, but look at the mast and compare it to the mast in the main pictures. Scale can be decieving in pictures, large destroyers like the Type-45 (UK) often look much larger than they are in photos (to me at least).

[Jeff Head]

I disagree (very amicably BTW, lol). The illustration below tries to explain what I mean:No problem with a difference of opinion.

My point is simply that there could be a well deck back there. It does not have to extend up through the main deck, nor should it necessarily do so, to accomodate air cushioned or other landing vehicles. We will know better when we see a picture of the aft section of this vessel.

But, in fact, most of the larger amphibs with well decks do not have it extend through the main deck at all. For example, this picture of the new French Mistral makes that point:

http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/mistral8.jpg

[bd popeye]

I disagree (very amicably BTW, lol). The illustration below tries to explain what I mean:
The Top image is as per the photos. It is clear that the deck goes right across at the back so if there is a dock, it must be below this deck level.
The middle picture puts the deck level constructed into context withh the bow height. This suggests that it is not the uppermost deck. Finally an illustration of what I'd expect to see if it was a LSD.

It seems illogical that they would construct a LSD with a dock that is not tall enough to accomodate large air-cushion vehicles such as those recentky imported from Russia. This picture of a model shows what I mean; note how the dock has maximum headroom and the ceiling of the dock is at the same deck level as the bow:


I understand what you are trying to point out Planeman. But I have to say until we see the superstructure of that ship it could be anything as I have pointed out somewhere in this forum.

As for their being a well deck large enough to hold a Zubr this is what I posted in the Zubr thread.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1322

I think you mean LPD. Personally I think the Zubrs are too large for storage in a well deck. Those things are huge. 184 feet long. Probally 18-20 feet high. You might get one in the well deck...Russia built only 10 Zubr's.. And has built two since 1994. That in 2000 for the Hellenic Navy(Greece)


Has the PLAN actually purchased or developed an air cushion landing craft like the Zubrs but a smaller version for the 071? Any ideas???:confused: I don't think so.

[Jeff Head]

Has the PLAN actually purchased or developed an air cushion landing craft like the Zubrs but a smaller version for the 071? Any ideas???:confused: I don't think so.I do not think the Zubr will fit into any well deck out there. But there have been rumors that the PLAN is developing an LCAC type vessel of their own, and I already know they have quite a few of these much smaller air cushioned vessels.

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/PLAN-Type724-2.jpg

[planeman]

Ships really aren't my area, but I will be pleasantly surprised if that does turn out to be an LSD/LPD.

[ying1978]

Seems to be a recent picture:
http://img162.imagevenue.com/loc420/th_20150_vg11_122_420lo.jpg (http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20150_vg11_122_420lo.jpg)

[bd popeye]

Golly gee wiz! :eek: The pic sure looks nice! Must be new!..NOT!!! It's just airbrushed that's all. That ship never looked so good. Some PLAN fan got loose with the MS Paint program that's all.

Look at those anchors. They are gold. He/she must have copied that from the USN which does paint anchors gold. But only on certian ships. Only those ships that acheive the best re-enlistment rate for it's crew.

[ying1978]

http://img151.imagevenue.com/loc463/th_29169_vg12_122_463lo.jpg (http://img151.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29169_vg12_122_463lo.jpg)
Both pictures appear to be genuine to me. The golden effect is most likely due to the angle of sun light.

[bd popeye]

Oh I'm not doubting the pictures are real. Not at all. Just airbrushed.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?p=47997#post47997

The pictures are also being discussed in the above thread. Read my comments there.

[bd popeye]

Commander, Pacific Fleet Adm. Gary Roughead is visiting the PRC. Along with the USS Juneau (LPD-10) with a contigent of US Marines.

Zhanjiang, People’s Republic of China (Nov. 15, 2006) - Commander, Pacific Fleet Adm. Gary Roughead speaks with Vice Adm. Gu Wengen, Commander of the People’s Liberation Army (Navy) South Sea Fleet during a courtesy call. Roughead and the amphibious transport ship USS Juneau (LPD 10) along with Marines assigned to the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) are currently in Zhanjiang for a scheduled port visit and search and rescue exercise (SAREX). U.S. Marine Corps photo by Staff Sgt. Marc Ayalin

[ying1978]

home sweet home

http://img156.imagevenue.com/loc517/th_53780_139_1_122_517lo.jpg (http://img156.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53780_139_1_122_517lo.jpg)

http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc363/th_53785_139_2_122_363lo.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53785_139_2_122_363lo.jpg)

http://img158.imagevenue.com/loc458/th_53791_139_3_122_458lo.jpg (http://img158.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=53791_139_3_122_458lo.jpg)

[ying1978]

Hudong's 054a & LPD on the left
http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc505/th_59626_hd_122_505lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=59626_hd_122_505lo.jpg)

[ying1978]

Another 054a + 071:

http://img162.imagevenue.com/loc455/th_91931_54_1_122_455lo.jpg (http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91931_54_1_122_455lo.jpg)

Type 022s:

http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc442/th_92096_22_1_122_442lo.jpg (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92096_22_1_122_442lo.jpg)

http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc451/th_92097_22_2_122_451lo.jpg (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=92097_22_2_122_451lo.jpg)

[ying1978]

Some more 071 & 022:



http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc489/th_97726_071_1_122_489lo.jpg (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97726_071_1_122_489lo.jpg)

http://img34.imagevenue.com/loc517/th_97731_071_2_122_517lo.jpg (http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97731_071_2_122_517lo.jpg)

http://img11.imagevenue.com/loc362/th_97736_22_3_122_362lo.jpg (http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97736_22_3_122_362lo.jpg)

http://img34.imagevenue.com/loc443/th_97766_22_4_122_443lo.jpg (http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97766_22_4_122_443lo.jpg)

[bd popeye]

Recently the PLAN/USN & USMC have held excersise in the PRC. Here are some great pics of the PLAN MARINES!!!! Enjoy..Plus one of the USMC being inspected by PLAN officers!

Go China! & USA:china:

[bd popeye]

More pics! I love that spirit of co-operation!

[tphuang]

804 Minesweeper
any comments on these?
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9968/804minesweepernov29lj2.jpg

[Jeff Head]

any comments ?
Here's the latest pic of the 071 LPD. Superstructure coming along nicely.

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/PLAN-071LPD-01.jpg

[mortthewiz]

Here some aerial imagery of chinese (ex russian) aircraft carrier at dock being refitted:

http://www.intrepidearth.com/tour/06/11/13/index.php?loc=default

Submarines at dock:

http://www.intrepidearth.com/tour/06/11/13/index.php?loc=1

Enjoy

[bd popeye]

mortthewiz, welcome to our forum!:)

Please read the forum rules and introduce yourself!

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=20

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1831&page=24

Those pics on those links you posted have been long available on this site. Next time before you start a thread be sure that that subject is new and not previously covered.

bd popeye super moderator

[swimmerXC]

pretty much can see all the VLS on 891 including the one in the back...
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/954/891120506bqg3.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1994/891120506ht0.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4242/891120506apr3.jpg

[tphuang]

a new fleet replenishment ship coming out, 888, here are the two pictures, apparently, the other ship in the picture is 35000 tonne. It gives you an idea of how large 888 is.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7231/888jan1oo3.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7998/888jan12zz0.jpg

[bd popeye]

thpuang, can you give us some quick stats on the 888 and 891...Thanks!

If the PLAN continues to build these AOE's they will soon pass the USN in numbers of AOE's. The USN has only four.........

[tphuang]

hey, you can check the stat of their previous batch of two replenishment ships here.
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/support/qiandaohu.asp
but it looks like 888 is different from 886 and 887, they at least put in some RCS reduction features.
328
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/1238/328jan1mu8.jpg
891 experiment ship - no idea about its stats
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2259/891jan1rp8.jpg

[Gollevainen]

The new replacement ship 888 is obviously smaller than the twins 886 and 887 (Fuchi class) which are 171 meters long and displacement is around 23 000 tons.

This new ship is much smaller, you can determine from the size of the Type 76F AAA

[bd popeye]

Thanks guys. The 891 looks similar to an old USN AFS(combat stores) or AE(ammo) type ship

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4400&tid=100&ct=4

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4400&tid=200&ct=4

Good show by the PLAN. They are really moving foward in their quest for a blue water navy.

pretty much can see all the VLS on 891 including the one in the back...


Why does a replenishment ship need VLS? You are just using up space for storage of it's cargo. I do not get it...

[Sczepan]

Thanks guys. The 891 looks similar to an old USN AFS(combat stores) or AE(ammo) type ship

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4400&tid=100&ct=4

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4400&tid=200&ct=4

Good show by the PLAN. They are really moving foward in their quest for a blue water navy.



Why does a replenishment ship need VLS? You are just using up space for storage of it's cargo. I do not get it... 891 isn't replenishment ship;

891 is experiment-/testship - some people say at least testing 6-cell vertical launch systems (VLS) of HQ-9 air defence missiles including the Aegis AN/SPY-1-style phased array radar system for the Type 052C (NATO codename: Luyang-II class) air defence guided missile destroyers

edit:
the heck - 891 could be a nice air defence escort for sea lift replenishment ships ;)

[bd popeye]

891 is experiment-/testship - some people say at least testing 6-cell vertical launch systems (VLS) of HQ-9 air defence missiles including the Aegis AN/SPY-1-style phased array radar system for the Type 052C (NATO codename: Luyang-II class) air defence guided missile destroyers

I learn something new everyday. Looks like a USN AFS to me..well kinda sorta.

I could not find the ship listed at sinodefence.com...Maybe I missed it.

Thanks!

[tphuang]

328 minesweeper again
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1308/328jan10wn7.jpg
btw to Golly, you seemed to be pretty familiar with minesweepers. I remember you made some comments about 328 vs 804 a while back. Can you make some assessment on these two new types of minesweepers?

[Gollevainen]

The 804 was the bigger, right?

With only pictures, its really hard to tell anything specific. Alot depends on wheter these ships are minesweepers or minehunters, which are different type of ships. I'll try to memorizes a bit what we discussed earlier and I will get back to you.

Nut needless to say that anything that is newer than T43 is a great improvement to PLAN MCM fleet. It too have been negelend way too long in PLAN....

[tphuang]

a picture of 804 and an unnumbered one for comparison.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1146/804jan12ee9.jpg

[Gollevainen]

well modern MCM vessels are one of those that you cannot really judge without knowing what they have eaten. But by quick clance and pure visual speculation, the otherone seems to look more of traditional mechanical sweeper with assosiated gears. Basicly in those methods are nothing wrong and nothing really new and innovative methods in mechanical sweeping has come since the T-43 class (propaply why the boats looks so similar of them, the desing is good and proven so no need to re invent the aerosol-deodorant)

But the differences are those that we really cannot judge by mere outside look. Damage controll. Has its engine room and habitability taken account of the newer generation thecnology, such as remote controll and 'floating raft' principle...Also, wether the hull is old wood or Glass reinforced plastic as in all other modern MCMs.

Modern MCM boats tend to have following structural charrectaristics:


GRP hull


ligthly build superstructers that doesent harm the ships when blowing up on
mine detonation

Deeply consideration taken place for the acoustic singature of the ships


remotely controlled machinery and other key elements so that the crew can be positioned into single secured enverioment


good slow speed manouvrability



The other boat looks to lack heavy mechanichal gear wich indicates that they are minehunters and with remote controlled submersible devices to destroy the mines as well as support divers and have also hull kounted sonar for mine detection. But wheter they are good boats or not, it depends on their structual solutions and the capacity of the mentioned electronics.

But overall it was about time to PLAN catch up with the rest of the world that begun to devolp those mentioned ideas in the 60's. I believe that China however faces similar proplems in these fields than in other neglected areas (shipborne AAW). They can benefit from the others making all of the 'innovatives' but as these boats has just recently appeared, we can expect that PLAN lacks still great deal in operating them as part of functional fleet (and this applies also to all other new innovatives that have recently correct PLANs rather poor overal capacity).
But good thing is that they are finnaly begun to understand what modern fleet needs to function, but it will take time before they have desing methods and changed doctrines to gain the value of the new generation of toys...

[tphuang]

are these minesweepers?
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6994/8238221208jan15ij4.jpg
805 - new minehunter
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/382/805jan15dp3.jpg

[Gollevainen]

the ship in the far left is the single Wosao class minesweeper, based on Shanghai class patrolboat hull...The two ships next to it 823 and 822 might be improved variant, tought I cannot say for certain as you cannot see the rear of the ships...


And the 805 isen't minehunter, but new bigger minesweeper, belonging to the same class a 328.

[tphuang]

the ship in the far left is the single Wosao class minesweeper, based on Shanghai class patrolboat hull...The two ships next to it 823 and 822 might be improved variant, tought I cannot say for certain as you cannot see the rear of the ships...


And the 805 isen't minehunter, but new bigger minesweeper, belonging to the same class a 328.

okay, I thought 805 looked like 804. But then again, it also looks like 328 to me. Can't tell the difference.

[tphuang]

A couple of pictures of 052B/Cs from recent exercises I guess? 170 isn't in there because it's getting some kind of maintenance work done in Shanghai.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3266/168169171feb42rw1.jpg
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/693/169171feb4gm1.jpg

[drunkhomer]

those are really nice pics there tphuang, really showing off their new arsenal :china:

[guitarjeff]

A couple of pictures of 052B/Cs from recent exercises I guess? 170 isn't in there because it's getting some kind of maintenance work done in Shanghai.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3266/168169171feb42rw1.jpg
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/693/169171feb4gm1.jpg

I wonder what the roles of the Jiangwei IIs have this fleet exercise. Are they performing ASW duty? There is no way that the Jiangwei IIs will be able to keep up with the big ships on the high seas with their small displacement and short endurance. I think this picture once again emphasizes the importance of large ASW ships for the fleet and reveals the PLAN's deficiency in this area. Perhaps a new general purpose DDG, a stripped down 052C carrying 2 helos and no PAR?

[Jeff Head]

I wonder what the roles of the Jiangwei IIs have this fleet exercise. Are they performing ASW duty? There is no way that the Jiangwei IIs will be able to keep up with the big ships on the high seas with their small displacement and short endurance. I think this picture once again emphasizes the importance of large ASW ships for the fleet and reveals the PLAN's deficiency in this area. Perhaps a new general purpose DDG, a stripped down 052C carrying 2 helos and no PAR?I believe the Type 054 FFGs, and partiucularly the Type 054A FFGs will fill this role nicely. It looks like the PLAN may build quite a few of them. I expect they will be the ones to accompany the larger vessels, including ultimately any carrier strike groups, into the blue waters.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3421/054ahdjan82hi3.jpg

[tphuang]

these are pictures of 137 visiting Maldives?
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3479/137feb8jk7.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1348/137feb82az0.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/2759/137feb83ky8.jpg
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9229/137feb84zn0.jpg
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1766/137feb85xb3.gif

[tphuang]

138 + 139 and some other ships from ESF.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3974/eastseafleetfeb17jq6.jpg

[bd popeye]

Barack Obama as your avatar???? Oh well...

Nice pictures...The PLAN has really come along in the short two years I've been studing them. We just need some up-to-date pics of the mighty Varyag!!!

[Sczepan]

Barack Obama as your avatar???? Oh well...

Nice pictures...The PLAN has really come along in the short two years I've been studing them. We just need some up-to-date pics of the mighty Varyag!!! and additional of the 051 C destroyers, haven't seen any new pix for a lot of time ....

[tphuang]

I think I did post a picture of 115 a while back, but all the recent ones are 071, 054A, 170 and sov
anyhow, here are more 139, the last one from a news report, the previous 4 are from a magazine.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8480/139feb18le3.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9853/139feb182gc7.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/232/139feb183et2.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4135/139feb184ag7.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8566/139feb19xj1.jpg

[speculator]

fleet shots
http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c5301037vdd
http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c5301037vca
http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c5301037vc9
http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c5301037vc5
http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c5301037vc6

[tphuang]

some pictures of 168 recently, not sure where this is exactly.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7448/168feb25jx5.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5357/168feb252dm7.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7443/168feb253nk5.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8649/168feb254eb5.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6136/168feb255dn4.jpg

[tphuang]

pictures of 071 and 054A from HD. Since there is nothing new with them, I didn't post them in their own threads.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7908/071054amar3ya6.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3620/071mar3fa1.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/339/071mar32io5.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6052/054ahdmar3km7.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4686/054ahdmar32ui4.jpg

[Jeff Head]

some pictures of 168 recently, not sure where this is exactly.

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2007-168.jpg

THAT, is an unbelievably good picture of the 168. IMHO, both of those vessels are impressive DDGs...as the PLAN improves their ASW capability, they will be all the more impressive, and should not be underestimated in the least.

[Schumacher]

THAT, is an unbelievably good picture of the 168. IMHO, both of those vessels are impressive DDGs...as the PLAN improves their ASW capability, they will be all the more impressive, and should not be underestimated in the least.

How likely is it that PLAN's relative lack of progress on the ASW capability of its surface ships is simply due to a strategic decision to use SSKs as the main ASW assets ? Instead of it being due to technological or budgetary constraints.
There has always been talk that the best ASW asset is another sub, don't know how true is that though.

[Jeff Head]

How likely is it that PLAN's relative lack of progress on the ASW capability of its surface ships is simply due to a strategic decision to use SSKs as the main ASW assets ? Instead of it being due to technological or budgetary constraints.
There has always been talk that the best ASW asset is another sub, don't know how true is that though.That is definitely true...but the SSKs will only go so far, and they are principally defensive in nature in the littoral waters particularly.

For Blue Water operations for any of their surface groups, the PLAN DDGs, FFGs, LPDs, CVs and other vessels are going to have to depend on ASW capabilities of their own to fend off other nation's subs.

Having good ASW helos on these vessels will go a long way if they have powerful dipping sonars, good passive detections equipment, and powerful weapons to launch at any enemies they find. For those surface ships to venture very far away from their own littoral waters if there is any potential for conflict (and that is why they are called "war" ships), then their own ASW capabilites are going to be a must, otherwise other nation's submarines will have a hay day wth them.

Having numerous, modern, and very quiet and effective SSNs would also help a lot...but they will also need their own ASW capabilites.

[tphuang]

THAT, is an unbelievably good picture of the 168. IMHO, both of those vessels are impressive DDGs...as the PLAN improves their ASW capability, they will be all the more impressive, and should not be underestimated in the least.

hey Jeff, good to see my photos are going on your website. Btw, I think you do a great job with it. If I can help you with anything, feel free to ask.

btw, do you see if there is any sign of VDS on 052B/C?

a few more photos from HD shipyard.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5970/071054amar32je5.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7176/071054amar33dy5.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4673/071mar34fu2.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1719/054ahdmar34lj4.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9531/054ahdmar33wo4.jpg

[Schumacher]

That is definitely true...but the SSKs will only go so far, and they are principally defensive in nature in the littoral waters particularly.

For Blue Water operations for any of their surface groups, the PLAN DDGs, FFGs, LPDs, CVs and other vessels are going to have to depend on ASW capabilities of their own to fend off other nation's subs.

Having good ASW helos on these vessels will go a long way if they have powerful dipping sonars, good passive detections equipment, and powerful weapons to launch at any enemies they find. For those surface ships to venture very far away from their own littoral waters if there is any potential for conflict (and that is why they are called "war" ships), then their own ASW capabilites are going to be a must, otherwise other nation's submarines will have a hay day wth them.

Having numerous, modern, and very quiet and effective SSNs would also help a lot...but they will also need their own ASW capabilites.

Good points. And as I see it, PLAN's medium term target is very much limited to littoral water ie potential conflicts with Japan in East China Sea or Taiwan.
Not saying ASW capability on surface ships are not important, but merely trying to speculate why PLAN seems not to put too much emphasis on them.

[Jeff Head]

hey Jeff, good to see my photos are going on your website. Btw, I think you do a great job with it. If I can help you with anything, feel free to ask.You have a PM.

Those are good pics of the LPD and the new FFG.

Any idea if anopther LPD has been started?

btw, do you see if there is any sign of VDS on 052B/C?I am not sure. I know the Luhus has the DUBV-43 MF variable depth sonar and the PLAN now has a lot of experience with it. So I would be surprised if they did not...although, having said that, the Luhai does not have it.

[tphuang]

You have a PM.

Those are good pics of the LPD and the new FFG.

Any idea if anopther LPD has been started?

I am not sure. I know the Luhus has the DUBV-43 MF variable depth sonar and the PLAN now has a lot of experience with it. So I would be surprised if they did not...although, having said that, the Luhai does not have it.

To the best of my knowledge, no. I would say that the next LPD might be built in Dalian instead of Hudong shipyard. HD is just swamped with way too many new orders right now.

[Jeff Head]

To the best of my knowledge, no. I would say that the next LPD might be built in Dalian instead of Hudong shipyard. HD is just swamped with way too many new orders right now.It'll be interesting to see Dalian build one...I would be surprised if the PLAN stopped at just one of these, unless of course this is really just a working prototype that they intend to use to get experience and flesh out the desiign.

[bd popeye]

Intresting that no one asked what those cables are hanging around in hull of the 168 in such a neat order.

In case anyone of you wanted to know the ship is being de-magnitized. If it is not de-magnitized from time to time all sorts of the electronic wizzardry(Equipment) will go haywire.(malfunction)

[AmiGanguli]

Thanks Popeye. I was in fact just about to ask what's up with all the wires. I've seen wires before and always thought it strange, but I've never seen so many. It's like the boat is in some sort of net.

... Ami.

[bd popeye]

Thanks Popeye. I was in fact just about to ask what's up with all the wires. I've seen wires before and always thought it strange, but I've never seen so many. It's like the boat is in some sort of net.

... Ami.

You are welcome! :) just thought I'd add some commentary to these great pics.:D

[tphuang]

some pictures of 022 from Jiangnan shipyard. Actually I ommitted some pictures of previously identified hull (from 2208-2211), but it doesn't seem like JN is building that many. anyhow, this gives a nice and up close look at the sensors like the SeaGull radar, OT-3 E/O director
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2623/022jnmar7iw3.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2001/022jnmar72ie0.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6682/022jnmar73lv2.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3397/022jnmar74hh1.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5898/022jnmar75fl7.jpg

[tphuang]

a couple of pictures of 328 located in the same area as the 022s. I previously thought the 328 got renumbered as 805, but they are actually in two different shipyards, lol. I feel so stupid now.
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4018/328mar7px4.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6269/328mar72mb1.jpg

[tphuang]

a picture of 168 from a recent exercise (I can only assume), it looks like 169 and 171 are behind it.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8445/168169mar11ve0.jpg

[tphuang]

These are some of the photos of 167 and 169. I'm not exactly sure where 169 is at, but 167 is back at Dalian getting some maintenance work done. Some rumours it might be refit with more advanced SAMs.

[tphuang]

well, a pack of 8 022s, not sure where this is shot at.
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2262/022packmar20jc7.jpg
the next part, we see the new MCM assets
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2943/804328mar20hy5.jpg

[Jeff Head]

well, a pack of 8 022s, not sure where this is shot at.
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2262/022packmar20jc7.jpg
the next part, we see the new MCM assets
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2943/804328mar20hy5.jpgThose eight 022s are very interesting. Do you have a better pic of those that does not have the bad place in the photo where they are tied up?

Seeing eight of them there at once, and knowing all of the many places others are located...makes you wonder exactly how many the PLAN has built at this point? Seems like there are a quite a few of them now.

[tphuang]

Those eight 022s are very interesting. Do you have a better pic of those that does not have the bad place in the photo where they are tied up?

Seeing eight of them there at once, and knowing all of the many places others are located...makes you wonder exactly how many the PLAN has built at this point? Seems like there are a quite a few of them now.

sorry no, I think they intentionned PSed that part.
I actually have some other pictures of 022 from recent time. More up close. You can see some of the sensors on it.

It's hard to say how many are built at this point, but a couple of months back, someone who was taking photos at HP said that he counted 12 just in HP shipyard (and I think we got photos for 8 of them at that time). But just how many are in service is the real mystery. The interesting part of all the photos so far is that we still haven't seen any 022 with anti-ship missiles loaded, which is really very surprising.

[szbd]

Some pix show that 022s appear in NSF too. Why you think no AShW missile is loaded? You mean the boxes are empty?

[tphuang]

Some pix show that 022s appear in NSF too. Why you think no AShW missile is loaded? You mean the boxes are empty?

Right, we haven't seen any missiles loaded into them.

[Jeff Head]

sorry no, I think they intentionned PSed that part.
Seems like they are afraid that people will figure out exactly where the vessels are located...like the dock itself would give it away. Seems strange with all of the pictures showing so many of them elsewhere at dockside...but eight in one place is the most I have seen at one time together.

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2007-type022-2.jpg

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2006-022-01.jpg

[RedMercury]

PSed by the poster to hide his location.

[bd popeye]

What I want to see is a viedo or some good pictures of those FAC's in operation. It's nice to have all those "toys". But if those ships are just sitting in port without the crews being trained what good would they be in case of conflict?

So any pics or videos of a FAC at sea????

[szbd]

What I want to see is a viedo or some good pictures of those FAC's in operation. It's nice to have all those "toys". But if those ships are just sitting in port without the crews being trained what good would they be in case of conflict?

So any pics or videos of a FAC at sea????

The boat was on CCTV's program. PLAN command in chief was on board.

[tphuang]

some pictures of MCM assets that I got yesterday
804
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6858/804apr17nv3.jpg
800, 801, 803 - same class as 805 and 328?
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1526/800801803apr17sq9.jpg
805, 438 - the same class?
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6056/805438apr17ng3.jpg
looks like a different class here, 816 and 817
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8551/816817apr17nd7.jpg

[Gollevainen]

well obviously 800, 801, 803, 816 and 817 are propaply same class with themselves and 804 and 805 as well 438 are different class with raised forecastle and higher freeboard. The first patch with lowfreeboard and flushdeck are propaply coastal/inshore sweepers

where as the 804 and 805 are most likely PLANs first modern MCM, dual purpose mine hunters with evident sweeping gear as well. Finaly:nana:

the 438 differences from those two by its superstructural details and to my eye appears to be good old T-43 with new superstructure, perhaps with even GRP hull, who knows:confused: and migth be a new oceanic minesweeper or just a test ship for new thecnologies

[thescudbuster]

...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4361/type02272906ftd7.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6311/type02272906exa0.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5758/type02272906gdv7.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1015/sov72906jt7.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/473/40672006bub5.jpg

is pictures 1, 2 , and 3 pictures of a PLAN stealth ship?

[thescudbuster]

is the 022 a chinese stealth ship?

[RedMercury]

Read the material already out there before asking easy questions.

[thescudbuster]

Read the material already out there before asking easy questions.

what material?

[RedMercury]

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/littoral/type022.asp
for starters.

[planeman]

is the 022 a chinese stealth ship?

No.

It's a Chinese stealth boat, :coffee:

[bd popeye]

Some "old school" PLAN pics!

1) Chinese Peoples Liberation Navy Captain (CAPT) Fu Guosen (left), Commanding Officer of the LUHU (TYPE 052) CLASS Destroyer QINGDAO (DDG 113), briefs US Navy (USN) RADM Vinson E. Smith, Commander, USN Region Northwest, on the 12-tubed fixed anti-submarine mortar launcher, during a tour, aboard his ship. DoD photo by: PH2 CHRISTOPHER MOBLEY, USN Date Shot: 16 Sep 2000

2) The Chinese Navy destroyers HARIBING (DDG 112) (Left) and ZHUHAI (DDG 166) (Right) conduct ship tours during their historic five day port visit to San Diego. This marks the first time Chinese warships have crossed the Pacific and visited the Continental United States. DoD photo by: PH2 FELIX GARZA JR. Date Shot: 23 Mar 1997

3) Tug boat guides the Chinese Navy destroyer ZHUHAI (DDG 166) (Left) pier side at Naval Air Station North Island, San Diego, California, next to its sister ship the Chinese destroyer HARIBING (DDG 112). DoD photo by: PH2 FELIX GARZA JR. Date Shot: 21 Mar 1997

[tphuang]

well, we saw that China showed some Kashtan clones in the recent IDEX 2007 show. But those ones seemed to be pretty much geared for exports.

I got picture of a couple of new CIWS apparently for PLAN. Not sure if these are seriously going into service or not. An interesting part is that they no longer have the radar on the gun itself. I assume that must mean it requires some kind of on board radar (like Kashtan's on board radar) for targetting.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2295/newciwsapr24pv6.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4913/newciwsapr242on3.jpg
The latter is clearly more advanced with the 8 extra missiles + 1 extra "eye"
- Type 730 only had 3 "eyes" - TV tracking, IR tracking and LRF. Not sure what the 4th one is.

[crobato]

Does not look like a Kashtan to me other than the general layout. It looks to me like another package of indigenous technologies trying to ape another design by inspiration. But then there are not a lot of ways to package a CIWS.

The ball in the center is an IRST. So you have variations with 3 or 4 eyed IRST. This system does not necessarily need a radar, it can track and target completely by optical and infrared. The one with the four eyes, the smallest window may also be housing a targeting or ranging laser. Possible application? Future Houbeis for example, replacing the AK-630 supported by an IRST set in a stalk.

[tphuang]

Does not look like a Kashtan to me other than the general layout. It looks to me like another package of indigenous technologies trying to ape another design by inspiration. But then there are not a lot of ways to package a CIWS.

The ball in the center is an IRST. So you have variations with 3 or 4 eyed IRST. This system does not necessarily need a radar, it can track and target completely by optical and infrared. The one with the four eyes, the smallest window may also be housing a targeting or ranging laser. Possible application? Future Houbeis for example, replacing the AK-630 supported by an IRST set in a stalk.

I mean the ones they had shown in IDEX like hailstorm look like Kashtan. This actually is quite unique CIWS.

I think that if it's just to replace AK-630, then a radar is not needed. But if it's used for say 052/054 series, then you will need a separate tracking radar to track multiple targets.

[Gollevainen]

Psst...that CIWS is the Russian Palma system, tested onboard modified Tarantul III class MRK...its not chinese

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7403/259123e40b9a0e3abb066el3.jpg

;)

[tphuang]

Psst...that CIWS is the Russian Palma system, tested onboard modified Tarantul III class MRK...its not chinese

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7403/259123e40b9a0e3abb066el3.jpg

;)
Interesting, I guess it's not a new CIWS then.
or it could be something that they are copying from the Russians.

[Gollevainen]

well it is a new (not fielded yet), but just not a new chinese CIWS....
so I doupt that they have managed to copy it so soon...

[bd popeye]

1) Chinese Navy ship Qingdao (DDG 113) lowers a small boat during a search and rescue exercise with USS Shoup (DDG 86) off the coast of Southern California Sept. 20, 2006. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Apprentice Rialyn C. Rodrigo) (Released) (Released to Public)

2) A Chinese Navy sailor, right, from Chinese navy destroyer Qingdao (DDG 113) watches as U.S. Navy Senior Chief Hospital Corpsman Cindy Cruzan, from guided-missile destroyer USS Shoup (DDG 86), administers first-aid to simulated victim Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Beau Bostwick during a search and rescue exercise aboard torpedo weapon retriever Swamp Fox (TRW 821) in San Diego, Calif., Sept. 20, 2006. DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Apprentice Rialyn C. Rodrigo, U.S. Navy. (Released) (Released to Public)

3) British led coalition forces recently delivered two patrol craft bound for the Iraqi Coastal Defense Force (ICDF). The Chinese built 27-meter vessels recently underwent refurbishment in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and stopped in Bahrain to take on fuel and supplies en route to Iraq. (Released to Public)

4) Local spectators wave to the Chinese navy destroyer Qingdao (DDG 113) as it moors at the pier in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Sept. 6, 2006. The Chinese navy ships Qingdao (DDG 113) and Hongzehu (AOR 881) are in Pearl Harbor for a routine port visit. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Ben A. Gonzales) (Released) (Released to Public)

5) Chinese Peoples Liberation Navy Sailors stand at attention during the Welcoming Ceremony for the Chinese Peoples Liberation Navy, held at Naval Station Everett, Washington (WA). (Released to Public)

[tphuang]

okay Golly, I need your expertise on MCM again.
First some pictures from 805 just to warm up.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3900/805may1mw4.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/340/805may12lg2.jpg

Now, the tougher question, this looks like Remotely Operated Vehicle? From 804
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1521/804roven9.jpg
Pluto Plus ROV
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8264/plutoplusrovyi9.jpg

Haven't seen any UUV pictures yet.

[challenge]

latest picture of KJ-2000 showing the aircraft has two small protective dome on side of the aircraft,which I believe house ESM antenna.
Unlike other AWAC such as E-3 sntry carry ALR-1 ESM ,KJ-2000 do not appear to carry ESM for SIGINT detection,which is strange,tbut the newer picture may have solve the problem.

[Gollevainen]

Well it sure looks like one...even so much that I could be derivate of the Pluto:confused: That just educated guess...You would really need to know some details of those to say anything more, but I cannot imagine other purposes for it. Wheter its just "seeker" that locates mines, or that I can also destroy them at the same time remains guestion....
Also, the chinese system apparent lack of the Yellow pod (possiply sonar of some sort) migth be that it hasent fitted. The black pod in chinese one seems to be poorly illumated propellor

But I think it now finally provens that the 805 & co. are really a Mine hunters with modern aproach to minewarfare, yet retaining rather simple boat structure (wich is well proven) possiply for mass production

[bd popeye]

Some PLAN pics taken by the USN last year..Enjoy!!

1) A Polynesian dancer performs a traditional hula dance for the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy Sailors from the Luhu (Type 052) Class Guided Missile Destroyer QINGDAO (DDG 113) before they depart Naval Station Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on Sept. 10, 2006 after a Goodwill Visit. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class James E. Foehl) (Released) (Released to Public)

2) Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy Sailors from the Luhu (Type 052) Class Guided Missile Destroyer QINGDAO (DDG 113) tour the engineering room of the U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke Class Guided Missile Destroyer USS SHOUP (DDG 86) during the PLAN Goodwill Visit at Naval Station San Diego, Calif., on Sept. 19, 2006. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Daniel A. Barker (Released) (Released to Public)

3) The Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy Luhu Class (Type 052) Guided Missile Destroyer QINGDAO (DDG 113) flies the U.S. National Ensign and signal flags during a Goodwill Visit at Naval Station Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on Sept. 7, 2006. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class James E. Foehl) (Released) (Released to Public)

4) Tugboats assist two Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy ships, the Luhu (Type 052) Class Guided Missile Destroyer QINGDAO (DDG 113) (foregorund) and the Fuquing Class Replenishment Ship HONGZEHU (AOR 881) as they arrive at Naval Station Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, for a Goodwill Visit on Sept. 6, 2006. (U.S. Navy photo by Chief Mass Communication Specialist Joe Kane) (Released) (Released to Public)

5) Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy Sailors from the Luhu (Type 052) Class Guided Missile Destroyer QINGDAO (DDG 113) and the Fuquing Class Replenishment Ship HONGZEHU (AOR 881) view the USS MISSOURI Memorial during their Goodwill Visit at Naval Station Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on Sept. 7, 2006. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class James E. Foehl) (Released) (Released to Public)

[tphuang]

some pictures of a new MCM ship 840.
Golly, can you comment on this?
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2397/840july9um0.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5972/840july92bc0.jpg

[Gollevainen]

Well there is not much to add other than its good thing to see new generation of MCM vessels starting to emerge. As its stated earlier, there seems to be two different designs being build at the same time. The smaller 804, 805) is the first chinese minehunter and 438 and 430 are large oceangoing minesweepers similar size (and propaply in capability as well) as the Russian pr. 266M Natya class.

[adeptitus]

Nice close-up of forward deck on the 168, taken from another forum.

You can see the 18-tube MLR clearly from the back. Those tubes look pretty long! Maybe 6 feet in length?

p.s. Is there any possibility that we might increase attached image file size (in kb/mb) for the forum?

[bd popeye]

Not sure what you really mean...but here's a larger picture..

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/d4f9668c1b5855ab76eb3cef1e07bbe6.jpg

[tphuang]

the new Chinese intelligence gathering (ELINT) ship, there are some speculations that it will play the role of T-AGOS 23 Impeccable class ship (http://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/ships.asp?ship=106&type=OceanSurveillanceShip) for PLAN. Maybe even have a Chinese version of SURTASS or some form of TAS.

[Schumacher]

PLAN Guangzhou in joint drill with RN's Ark Royal.

[tphuang]

more picture of 991, didn't realize how far along it was until seeing this photo. just one question, anyone can explain to me the difference between a swath ship and catamaran one?

[crobato]

This one is more of a swath. In the swath, the pontoons are submerged, not floating on the surface.

[Gollevainen]

Well I once used this example. Normal catamaran is like two boat hulls linked together from superstructure and SWATH design is like two submarine's linked together from the sail.

To make it even more simpler, this new 991 AGI (presumably) is a SWATH ship and 022 is more of normal catamaran (tough wave-piercing design but thats not related to the differences of SWATH and normal catamaran)

[bd popeye]

My goodness!:eek:.. the 991 sure looks like the USNS Effective (T-AGOS 21). Which is an ocean survey ship manned by civillians and USN personnel.

[adeptitus]

I guess now we can update those PLAN ship pages and call the 18-tube MLR "Type 726-4 Decoy Launcher". hehehe.

[crobato]

There is an overwhelming amount of pictures here taken inside the 168. Almost like nothing is missed, even the mess halls are photoed. Are there any British based SDF members that look those in the pictures?

http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=404643&extra=&page=1

[bd popeye]

There is an overwhelming amount of pictures here taken inside the 168. Almost like nothing is missed, even the mess halls are photoed. Are there any British based SDF members that look those in the pictures?

http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=404643&extra=&page=1

Great pictures. Very insiteful. Does anyone know where the ship was docked when the pictures where taken? Thanks..

Well as I look at the pictures I could not help but to notice how pristine everything looked. It was if everything was brand new. I could still smell the fresh paint...Honestly this is typical of navies around the world to show off their best. That is one of the cleanest appearing warships I have ever seen..

[crobato]

This was when 168 visited the UK, where for the second time, it held an open house. The first open house was during the Russian leg of the tour.

[tphuang]

more pictures, I'm utterly confused by this actually. I thought it's suppose to be launched already, this picture is still quite a bit from complete. Not sure if this is from a while back or that there are multiple 991 with the same hull number.

[crobato]

Too much pics from this thread to post here. This shows DDG 112 and supply ship 881 during their visit to Australia with lots of close up pics.

http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=413748

[tphuang]

some recent photos of Yuan Wang 5 in sea trials (I guess) + 805 (haven't seen it for a while)

[tphuang]

all minesweepers look the same to me, so here we go, the commissioning of 810 and the commissioning of the 888 replenish ship.

[tphuang]

2 pictures of YuanWang 5.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9619/yuanwang5nov8pw2.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8408/yuanwang5nov82xv9.jpg

[Undead Yogurt]

In a time of war, are the Yuanwangs legitimate targets?

[bd popeye]

In a time of war, are the Yuanwangs legitimate targets?

That would be a yes. What is the ship used for?

The PLA Navy currently operates a fleet of four Yuanwang space tracking ships to support China’s intercontinental-range ballistic missile (ICBM) testing and space programmes. These ships, together with the land-based domestic and overseas space tracking stations, provide China with a global space tracking, telemetry, and control (TT&C) network that can continuously detect, track, and control satellites and manned spacecraft in space. So far the four Yuanwang ships have carried out over 50 key missile testing and space flight support missions successfully.

Trust me it's a target.

[tphuang]

That would be a yes. What is the ship used for?

Trust me it's a target.

yeah, they are an important part of China's C4SIR network. I can't imagine them not being targets.

[tphuang]

two new pictures, one of 167 after the maintenance trip (i don't see any upgrade) and the other is just a photo of 888 in service.

[tphuang]

since the carrier thread is closed, I will post the recent varyag photos here, supposedly from last month.

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/af1d82f9bf23868132253214d75191c0.jpg

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/60a8a7e19bc44f28a2ea3bb08a2bd955.jpg

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/72ad006253ea767479f586c340fc8e51.jpg

[bd popeye]

I just don't see any progress being made on this ship in the last 18 months or so. In particular the island(tower) looks like it did over two years ago..I'm beginning to wonder if the PLAN really intends to put this ship in comission.

Just my opinion.

I made the pics larger for everyone and left the thumbnails in case the members can't see the full size pics.

[bd popeye]

The 168 is heading to of all places Japan to pay that country a visit.

As a former USN sailor I must say the PLAN sailors always look "squared away" when manning the rail. Outstanding. Among the sharpest sailors I've ever seen. Simply outstanding.

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/132c97d4ccbe241df3a185c7888ec3c2.jpg

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/8e6b92f0f18f9dbbd4c27abc52530090.jpg

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/1c3aa9d3f3e3648e58525f5e58f22eb3.jpg

The Chinese missile destroyer "Shenzhen" departs for Japan from Zhanjiang, a port city of south China's Guangdong Province, Nov. 21, 2007. The destroyer "Shenzhen" left the port to travel to Japan, the first such visit in the history of the naval forces of the Chinese People's Liberation Army. (Zha Chunming/Xinhua/WPN) **China Out**

[Sczepan]

The 168 is heading to of all places Japan to pay that country a visit.

As a former USN sailor I must say the PLAN sailors always look "squared away" when manning the rail. Outstanding. Among the sharpest sailors I've ever seen. Simply outstanding. agree - seems to be perfect drilled ... what do you think: is 167 (051B Luhai class) a trainee-ship for 051 C, 052 B and 052 C DDGs - each trained crew will change to the next new build DDGs, so the PLAN have drilled crews to man the new destroyers?
So the visiting tours to Europe or Japan (for example) could mark the highlight of a new age group.
:confused:

[bd popeye]

agree - seems to be perfect drilled ... what do you think: is 167 (051B Luhai class) a trainee-ship for 051 C, 052 B and 052 C DDGs - each trained crew will change to the next new build DDGs, so the PLAN have drilled crews to man the new destroyers?
So the visiting tours to Europe or Japan (for example) could mark the highlight of a new age group.
:confused:

Since the PLAN does not normally send their ships on cyclic(regular) deployments I would say when the send a ship on deployment it's crew is the very best sailors they can muster.

Are those ships training ship? No I feel they are fully operational.

[tphuang]

Since the PLAN does not normally send their ships on cyclic(regular) deployments I would say when the send a ship on deployment it's crew is the very best sailors they can muster.

Are those ships training ship? No I feel they are fully operational.

167 is pretty much the ship they send everywhere it seems. They are the ambassadors of PLAN. So, it's not surprising that the sailors on this ship is so well trained for this.

Anyhow, some more photos from Varyag. It still looks the same. :mad:

[tphuang]

116 and 113 pictures for this new year from the north sea fleet
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9821/116jan2mv4.jpg

[tphuang]

pictures of 022 and 071 from the behind. It's interesting because we don't normally get a look of 022 from this angle.

[bd popeye]

I hope these pix are not a re-post..Are we seeing a PLAN LCAC in the pix below???

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4581/laciw8.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/wol_error.gif

http://pic4.sdnews.com.cn/NewsImg/2008-1-11/6623a70e3a.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif

[Jeff Head]

I hope these pix are not a re-post..Are we seeing a PLAN LCAC in the pix below???

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4581/laciw8.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/wol_error.gif

http://pic4.sdnews.com.cn/NewsImg/2008-1-11/6623a70e3a.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gifI believe it most certainly is a PLAN version of an LCAC and that it is clearly meant for the Type 071, now with a hull number of 998. I look forward to seeing trial pics of the Type 071 with these air cushioned landing craft.

Here are four pics I got of the new PLAN LCAC late last year:


http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2008-LCAC-1.jpg http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2008-LCAC-2.jpg

http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2008-LCAC-3.jpg http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2008-LCAC-4.jpg

[tphuang]

a photo of 693, one of the few 037s that actually installed VDS. There were also pictures of other 037s, but i didn't find much interest in them.

[tphuang]

pictures of YuanWang 5 and 6 + picture of the Type 820 Medical ship, the first hull is numbered 866.