Pakistan's H-4 Missiles.

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Pak Air Force inducts BVR missiles


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Air Force has inducted H-4 Beyond Visual Range missile which could strike a target from a distance of 120 km without visually citing it, evading enemy radars.

"It is a step towards adding the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles to our arsenal for defensive purposes and to address the strategic imbalance in the region," Pakistan daily Dawn quoted PAF officials as saying.

The officials claimed that the missile was developed by the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM), which works in close collaboration with Pakistan Missile Organisation and the Air Weapons Complex.

"Three successful tests of H-4, with the latest conducted this year, produced satisfactory results leading to addition of arsenal in the fighter jets," they said, adding the missiles were modified version of the South African T-Darter BVR missiles. The PAF claims to have H-2 BVR missiles which could hit targets up to 60 km.

Reports of Pakistan seeking the BVR technology appeared in the South African media. In the face of protests from India, the South African government blamed "rogue" elements to collaborate with Pakistan to develop BVRs.

PAF officials said the H-4 missiles which was an infra-red device and comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and Python 4 missiles of the IAF would be fitted on to the PAF's Mirage aircraft until the induction of new plane JF-17 Thunder, jointly developed by Pakistan and China, in 2006.

They said European and the US suppliers were currently not willing to share the technology with Pakistan but PAF was managing with whatever technology at its disposal.

Link:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-367308,prtpage-1.cms


After 2 years of the test it is still not confirmed wheather H-4 a BVR air to ground missile or a BVRAAM.

If it is a derivative of SA'a T-Darter than it is a BVRAAM but most reports have called it Air to Ground Missiles.

If it is BVRAAM than it would be interesting to see which PAF prefers most. H-4 which is made by Pakistan in Pakistan or SD-10 which is made by China, in China but is partialy financed by Pakistan.

[MIGleader]

why would china need pakistan to fund a missle? they could just do joint development.

[tphuang]

how is it that Pakistan can produce long range AAM and we can't?

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why would china need pakistan to fund a missle? they could just do joint development.

Because Pakistan can fund thats why. We have had 7.8% of GDP growth + we wanted to have share of SD-10. NESCOM was not ready with H-4 & we dint know wheather it ever will be. But than when they came out, they came out with not one but 3 Missiles. 2 Air-to-Ground BVR Missiles & One BVRAAM.

how is it that Pakistan can produce long range AAM and we can't?

Its not long range. Its medium range with 120Km but NESCOM is working on longer range of 150Km to 160Km. At this range upgrading point China may be invited to help aswell because T-Darters only have 120Km & our knowledge is of only 120Km.

How do we make it? From studying T-Darter sold to us by South Africa.

[Diving Falcon]

Actually, from what I heard in the past, the H-2 and H-4 are based off the South African Raptor Air-to-Surface Glide Bomb series. The H-2 is based off the Raptor-I (60km range) while the H-4 is based off the Raptor-II (120km range), and supposedly has some rocket extension or something (from what I remember).

The PAF reportedly does have a BVRAAM, the T-Darter (60km range), which is basically an improved South African S-Darter. However do note that the H-2, H-4, and T-Darter are NOT of Pakistani origin, but of South African origin. IIRC AWC bought them off, and did some improvements or modifications for the PAF, that is all. China is far ahead in BVRAAM development tech than Pakistan.

[tphuang]

Actually, from what I heard in the past, the H-2 and H-4 are based off the South African Raptor Air-to-Surface Glide Bomb series. The H-2 is based off the Raptor-I (60km range) while the H-4 is based off the Raptor-II (120km range), and supposedly has some rocket extension or something (from what I remember).

The PAF reportedly does have a BVRAAM, the T-Darter (60km range), which is basically an improved South African S-Darter. However do note that the H-2, H-4, and T-Darter are NOT of Pakistani origin, but of South African origin. IIRC AWC bought them off, and did some improvements or modifications for the PAF, that is all. China is far ahead in BVRAAM development tech than Pakistan.
after all these years, all we can get is SD-10 with a range of 70 KM? What the heck is that? We don't even know the accuracy of this thing.

[Diving Falcon]

after all these years, all we can get is SD-10 with a range of 70 KM? What the heck is that? We don't even know the accuracy of this thing.
Although you'll need to recall the range of the majority of your aircraft's radars, do they even exceed 70km? the majority of them I mean, the ones who are supposed to carry SD-10 extensevely? China is ahead in development in BVRAAMs, do note that even SD-10 is a start and definately not the end of a bright future. Pakistan on the other hand carries BVRAAMs, and that is limited to T-Darter (improved S-Darter) and perhaps a minute number of MICAs.

[tphuang]

Although you'll need to recall the range of the majority of your aircraft's radars, do they even exceed 70km? the majority of them I mean, the ones who are supposed to carry SD-10 extensevely? China is ahead in development in BVRAAMs, do note that even SD-10 is a start and definately not the end of a bright future. Pakistan on the other hand carries BVRAAMs, and that is limited to T-Darter (improved S-Darter) and perhaps a minute number of MICAs.
The range of KLJ-3 and KLJ-4 should be greater than 70 KM. Basically, the 4th generation planes we have should have greater radar than 70 KM.

[Diving Falcon]

Yeah, but what about the majority if your fleet in the next 5-6 years?

IIRC if China could develop the SD-10, it would only take them 10 years to develop a successor, given their industrial and technological capability. SD-10 may not be good, but its a good start, and for China, a huge pioneering step to success. In 10 years, when perhaps the more advanced and better versions of J-10 are being built, the PLAAF will induct a more advanced and much more capable version of SD-10.

[tphuang]

Yeah, but what about the majority if your fleet in the next 5-6 years?

IIRC if China could develop the SD-10, it would only take them 10 years to develop a successor, given their industrial and technological capability. SD-10 may not be good, but its a good start, and for China, a huge pioneering step to success. In 10 years, when perhaps the more advanced and better versions of J-10 are being built, the PLAAF will induct a more advanced and much more capable version of SD-10.
let's hope that's the case, right now we are relying on the Russian AAMs.

[sumdud]

This is news to me.
Pakistan has these BVR missiles................it's just...........amazing. South Africa had been a any-deal country but I never expected it to have a deal with Pakistan............. But where will Pakistan use this? Mirages right?

[SABRE]

This is news to me.
Pakistan has these BVR missiles................it's just...........amazing. South Africa had been a any-deal country but I never expected it to have a deal with Pakistan............. But where will Pakistan use this? Mirages right?

You would be amazed to see the names of the countries which helped Pakistan develop its own military industry when US impossed sanctioned. They wont accept it in public but its well known that they all are in a single group including Pakistan.

To start I'll give you small list (very small infact):

1. China
2. South Africa
3. Ukrain
4. Czeck Republic (recent)
5. France (not a member of the group but a big helper of Pakistan)
6. Italy (may deny to be in the group but has helped the group)

while N.Korea is the black cat in the corner.

These are the lists of BVR Missile Pakistan has/or yet to induct.

1. SD-10
2. MICA
3. H-2
4. H-4
5. T-Darter

Most of them are installed on Mirage-3/5 but they'll be installed on JF-17 when its inducted.

[DPRKUnderground]

You would be amazed to see the names of the countries which helped Pakistan develop its own military industry when US impossed sanctioned. They wont accept it in public but its well known that they all are in a single group including Pakistan.

To start I'll give you small list (very small infact):

1. China
2. South Africa
3. Ukrain
4. Czeck Republic (recent)
5. France (not a member of the group but a big helper of Pakistan)
6. Italy (may deny to be in the group but has helped the group)

while N.Korea is the black cat in the corner.

These are the lists of BVR Missile Pakistan has/or yet to induct.

1. SD-10
2. MICA
3. H-2
4. H-4
5. T-Darter

Most of them are installed on Mirage-3/5 but they'll be installed on JF-17 when its inducted.

But aren't the H-4 and H-2 bombs? But anyways, you can't forget the AMRAAM, Pakistan might be getting those in the F-16 deal!

[crazyinsane105]

This is news to me.
Pakistan has these BVR missiles................it's just...........amazing. South Africa had been a any-deal country but I never expected it to have a deal with Pakistan............. But where will Pakistan use this? Mirages right?

The Mirages with the ROSE upgrades.

[swimmerXC]

SD-10 is have an active seeker right? does the H-4 have an active seeker or does it need to be guided by the planes radar?