Is the Russian Navy inept?

[bd popeye]

I was browsing the internet and found this article about the Russians accidently exploding a mine near one of its own ships. It cause some serious flooding. This coupled with the recent Russian mini-sub incident make you wonder..How good is the Russian Navy??

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/08/01/flagship.shtml

Russian Navy Sinks Flagship With Parade Mine
Created: 01.08.2005 13:59 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 13:59 MSK

MosNews

The flagship of Russia’s Baltic Fleet, the Neukrotimy patrol ship has been hit by a demonstration bomb and partially sunk in the Neva River in the center of St. Petersburg, the Kommersant daily reported on Monday. The incident happened just one day before Sunday’s Navy Day parade that was held in the city.

The Neukrotimy (“Indomitable”) arrived in St. Petersburg for celebrations to mark Russian Navy Day on July 26. On July 30, it suddenly submerged below its waterline, collecting water in its engine compartment, the Itar-Tass news agency reported.

Divers found a rupture in a weld joint and plastered it, after which the ship was moved to a dock for repairs, the agency said.

Kommersant, however, gave details of the incident which forced the flagship to be removed from the parade. The daily said that the sailors planned to make a show of destroying a dummy sea mine during Sunday’s parade. The dummy, which still had about 30 kilograms of TNT in it, was supposed to create a huge splash that would spray the spectators on the embankment. However, the current brought the bomb up to the ship’s hull together with the anchor and it exploded causing the Neukrotimy to partially submerge.

The Military Prosecutor’s Office has opened a criminal case under the article “careless handling of potentially dangerous items”. They said that the role and degree of responsibility of the military officials in charge of the preparation and conducting of training measures near the ship would be ascertained during the investigation

[T-U-P]

The daily said that the sailors planned to make a show of destroying a dummy sea mine during Sunday’s parade. The dummy, which still had about 30 kilograms of TNT in it, was supposed to create a huge splash that would spray the spectators on the embankment. However, the current brought the bomb up to the ship’s hull together with the anchor and it exploded causing the Neukrotimy to partially submerge.
Ahahahahaha, that's just lame. they should've secured it better.

i think the russian navy equipment has no problem at all, it's just the officers and soldiers should be more careful. i mean incidents like this one can be totally avoided if they're more careful at planning. they should've taken the current into the account when planning such dangerous action.

as for the mini-sub incident, it's really weird how a fishing net got into non-fishing water. i think the russians intentionally put it there just to test how well it would stop a submarine...but i guess they forgot about that cable with anchor during the planning.

again, a carefulness issue with the russians.

[Gollevainen]

This all due the lack of money. When there's no funds for maintanance and crew sallaryes, things like these happens. Russian naval equipment is good, when in good shape but all equipment are useless whitout well trained user...

If Russia would now face a naval struggle, it would'nt propaply perform well...but if and i strongly belive that when russia rise again....

[chinawhite]

when has the russian navy ever been professional.?

[Aluka]

Neukratimy is a gunboat not a flagship (wtf?). It didn't sink, just suffered minor damage and was already repaired. It was a mistake of some idiots, not a fault of equipment. By the way, russian navy was semiprofessional during soviet era.

[IDonT]

when has the russian navy ever been professional.?


Under Peter the Great and during the late 1980's are some of the examples.

[Aluka]

:( Oh crap, yesterday they've thrown Su-33 off Kuznetsov's deck! No english links now, but surely they will appear soon.

[MIGleader]

russia's navy is entirely cold war. no stealth, just overload on missles. they would get whooped in real combat, but the missles look to fearsome for someone to try.

[Aluka]

This statement doesn't sound reasonable. The only way they could be whooped is due to inexperienced crews. Lots of missiles can't be possible reason, lol. No stealth? What do you mean? Technically russian fleet is up to date.

[BrotherofSnake]

The current Russian Navy is a lot better than the PLAN. The best ship in the Chinese fleet is the Sovremenny and they only have like 4 ships of that class. The Chinese Navy consists of mostly outdated ships.

[IDonT]

Soviet Naval doctrine is called "the battle of the first salvo". They cram so many weapons on their ship so that in the first salvo, they can cripple the US navy.

Lack of training and maintenance have taken its toll of this once proud fleet.
On Paper, they are still very powerful

[Gollevainen]

Yes better not to bite the hand who feeds you so in when speaking as chinese, you should embrace the russian navy, not brash...
and Russian shipyards builds the most up to date exported warships in the whole world...

[bd popeye]

Here's the article on crash on the Russian carrier. It appears the arresting cable broke. Accidents do happen on the USN Cv's also. but the USN has 12.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/09/06/planedrowns.shtml

Russian Fighter Jet Skids off Aircraft Carrier, Sinks in North Atlantic

A Russian Su-33 fighter belonging to the Northern Fleet crashed into the sea during maneuvers in the North Atlantic region on Monday. No casualties were reported, the Interfax news agency quoted a navy spokesman as saying.

“An accident occurred aboard the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov in the course of routine missions at 16:27 Moscow time on Sept. 5. The pilot ejected from the aircraft,” Captain Igor Dygalo said.

The pilot is alive and in good health, but the plane slid off the vessel’s flight deck and fell to the bottom of the sea, Dygalo said.

The brake cable tore off the deck of the aircraft carrier, and the “plane rolled several meters along the deck and fell overboard. It sank to a depth of 1,100 meters,” he added.

Five minutes later a Ka-27PS helicopter took off from the aircraft carrier’s deck and airlifted the pilot “back to the ship,” Interfax quoted the spokesman as saying.

There were no weapons or ammunition on the sunken plane, Dygalo said. The spokesman said, however, that depth charges would be used to destroy secret electronic devices that were on board the aircraft

[bd popeye]

Heads are starting to roll...Fair or unfair..

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/09/05/kuroyedovsacked.shtml

Russian President Vladimir Putin sacked navy chief Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov on Sunday at a time when the military is facing criticism over its handling of a mini-submarine accident last month, Reuters news agency reported.

The Kremlin said Putin had appointed Admiral Vladimir Masorin as the new navy head. Putin did not give a reason for Kuroyedov’s dismissal.

Local media had speculated that Kuroyedov could be axed after seven Russian sailors were freed last month with British help after three days trapped in an AS-28 rescue mini-submarine 600 feet down in the Pacific with dwindling air supplies. Some critics asked why the Russian navy did not have the rescue equipment to hand to match the navies of NATO countries.

Russian media said last month’s events showed the navy had failed to learn lessons after the Kursk nuclear submarine disaster five years ago when the 118-man crew died when it sank in the Barents Sea after explosions on board.

Putin, who met both men at his country house outside Moscow, told Masorin — previously chief of the main staff of the navy — that he had a lot of work ahead to build on reforms already undertaken in the navy.

“You ... face difficult tasks,” he said. “We would not be able to solve all these problems even with the state’s economic potential growing if we do not strengthen discipline and order and solve tasks of social protection of seamen.”

Putin praised Kuroyedov’s efforts in helping with naval reform, but also noted the bad times during his time in office since 1997. “Since that time, we have not simply restored a significant part of the navy but also created a realistic programme for its development,” he said.

“At the same time, there were difficult events, tragedies. We all know about that. But I would like to underline once again that with all these problems, all these tragedies, the main thing is that the navy is undergoing a revival.”

Admiral Eduard Baltin, told Ekho Moskvy radio that Kuroyedov’s dismissal may have been linked to ill health. “Kuroyedov is very ill. He has been lying in hospital for two months, he had a complicated operation,” Baltin told the radio station