Crazy chinese "SWAT" pics

[petty officer1]

http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060412/1507/301516/301516.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060412/1507/301516/301518.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060412/1507/301516/301519.jpg

The 2rd picture really, I mean really scares me... the number of PEOPLE!

[Red Guard]

oh my god....human wave......and it's not really swat. they just dress in police combat dress, they are only CAPF

[PiSigma]

what's up with all these one-liners.. if you want to comment, say something useful that contributes to the thread.

[Kampfwagen]

Dear god, what are they doing? Raiding every apartment in a ten story flat? What exactly is CAPF?

[jchu1988]

think about it, if all the swat teams in the US were taking part in a coordinated exercise, hey would have more people than that shown on the picture.

[The_Zergling]

think about it, if all the swat teams in the US were taking part in a coordinated exercise, hey would have more people than that shown on the picture.

Can't really figure out what you meant here. If all the SWAT teams in the US were taking part in a coordinated exercise? SWAT doesn't operate like that, so obviously they wouldn't have exercises, so there obviously wouldn't be any pictures of US SWAT numbering as high as the pics above...

I'm arguing circular here. I need more coffee...

I have to admit that a show of force like that would probably be pretty intimidating to anyone that might square off against them, though.

[renmin]

People! Its just PAP. I dont think the 2nd picture is that all the people are going to one place, Ibelieve they will be broken up. Besides, its training, probably some anti-teorrist training of some sort. US SWAT does the same.

[netspider]

http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060412/1507/301516/301516.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060412/1507/301516/301518.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060412/1507/301516/301519.jpg

The 2rd picture really, I mean really scares me... the number of PEOPLE!

So armed police use Type 95 rifles while regular army use Type 81 rifles? Why they would do that. First, they should not use a rifle at all, a MP5 like submachine gun is more suitable for close quater combat with criminals. Second, it is strange that armed police get latest generation weapon while regular army are still equiped with previous generation weapons.

Chinese policies tend to all use military equipements. For example, I have seen on video some police snipers use Type 86 or Type 88 rifles. Shoudl they get their own weapons specifically designed for low intense urban conflicts? US SWAT teams seems use M4 now, in contrast to M16 used in military.

[Red Guard]

Dear god, what are they doing? Raiding every apartment in a ten story flat? What exactly is CAPF?

chinese armed police force.
something wrong?

[Kampfwagen]

Chinese policies tend to all use military equipements. For example, I have seen on video some police snipers use Type 86 or Type 88 rifles. Shoudl they get their own weapons specifically designed for low intense urban conflicts? US SWAT teams seems use M4 now, in contrast to M16 used in military.

Well, generaly speaking, S.W.A.T teams tend to move towards compact firearms, usualy pre-used by the military. The M4 is a good weapon for breaching and room clearing unless civilians are involved. In that instance, they use MP5 submachine guns.

Also, alot of S.W.A.T teams in America use various types of weapons as well. I have seen HK 33, 53 and G-36 rifles (In fact, D.C.P.D recently purchased G-36 rifles and several 100-Round Beta-C mags. For what I have no possible idea.), HK UMP SMG's, FN-FAL rifles and several others including P-90's and the new HK-416's. It really does depend on the department.

I hear that the PAP might be getting the J-95 SMG for their S.W.A.T divisions, either that or they will stick to Type 79 SMG's but with modifications to the firing modes.

[soaringsoul]

And we get MP5A2 for SWAT in Hong Kong...;)

[King_Comm]

Giving SWAT teams assualt rifles and specialised training is a big improvement, before the days of specialised police units, heavily armed criminals had to be dealt with by thew PAP, which are not very good at law enforcement and some times would resort to things like general purpose machine guns and recoiless guns.

[RedMercury]

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I believe the voulnteers that participated in the china vs America in Korea were only equiped with 2 grenades each and told that were doing the country proud.

Even the americans couldnt defeat the volunteers.
Indeed one type of attack consisted of a first wave armed with concussion grenades followed by a second wave armed with SMGs. But it's not true that all of the PVA were armed with 2 grenades each.
http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/grenchin.htm

[PiSigma]

this guy is just trying to piss everyone off, just ignore him and get back on topic.

[coolstorm]

And we get MP5A2 for SWAT in Hong Kong...;)

not only that, they use m4, m16 as well in addition to mp5a2.
and they are called the sdu, not swat.

[akinkhoo]

So armed police use Type 95 rifles while regular army use Type 81 rifles? Why they would do that. First, they should not use a rifle at all, a MP5 like submachine gun is more suitable for close quater combat with criminals. Second, it is strange that armed police get latest generation weapon while regular army are still equiped with previous generation weapons.
a large percentage of the army are acting more like national guards, upgrading their equipment is expensive and doesn't serve much purpose (how likely will they be used?)

here are some reasons i could think of in point form
1. this police unit are more likely to see action then most military unit :nono: :nono:
2. they are also gonna be in world public view during beijing2008 (normal to show off your best then your "average" gear right?) :coffee:
3. the beijing leadership is ALWAYS freaky about giving the latest firearm to units stationed far away; it is safer to give unit close to the capital all the high-end cool stuff 1st. afterall, the capital is MORE IMPORTANT. :p

don't take this seriously, just abit of fun... tho i could be right... :p

[Nethappy]

For your infomation
Hong Kong Police use it EU unit for most Swat duties, these guy a really well trained up in CQB and roit control. They have a shotgun, M16 and 2 MP5 in each EU VAN and each EU unit only have 5-6 man, that a lot of Fire Power cosider dat these EU respond to every 999 (or 911 in the US) call in the City.

The Hong Kong SDU are use only in the most dangerous or important cases and when hostage are involved. They are probably better trained then most SWAT team and other police tatical Unit.

They where set up and trained by the British SAS back during the British days and it still follow dat bloody hard Seletion and the hellish training pasted down from the old days. It especially well trained in the CQB as most operation would be in Urban area.

[warkuo]

These pic certianly looks great but i heard that in hong kong, the chinese swat took on 2 taiwanese wanted criminal. The criminal had psitol but they amnage to escape. Can some1 tell me the training they do? :coffee:

[Nethappy]

Well if anything of that happen, it should of been all over the news. But I not hear of anything yet. When did this happen.

Well, a TV show gave people about EU (Emergency Unit) and PTU (Polic Tatical Unit), but SDU (Speical Duty Unit) is kinda like a secret or something cos there isn't much infomation apart from a few pic now & then.

Anyway the EU and PTU both have enchaned CQB and Heavy Weapon Training (anything that not a pistol is considered a Heavy Weapon MP5, M16 .. etc), Crowd & Roit control.

To make it simple.
EU - Speical Patrol Unit, with better training and equipment, they usually the first people on scene during a Emergency or 999 (911 US) call, or to speedy additional presence of Force in any given situation.
PTU - A Company provides a ready reserve force to deal with threats to internal security situations and natural disasters. On a daily, non-emergency basis, the PTU is deployed on front-line street patrols to supplement District resources to tackle identified crime black spots.
SDU - is to deal with any emergency which the EU and PTU can't handle.

[ravenshield936]

yea the second picture freaked me out too

I wonder why don't they equip themselves with MP5 SMGs and PASGT helm.

[Nethappy]

MP5 are good for hostage rescue as their chance of over penetration is reduced in a confind CQB or Urban situtation. Nevertheless in most situtation when you up against armed suspect (In China case the AK-47) who could be using body armour the M4 or Chinese Type 95 would be weapon of chose.

[NickatNight]

Imagine if military men could have seen what those look like back in the early 1900s. They would have looke like they came from a different planet.