Gollevainen's quizz of the week (old)

[Gollevainen]

Now as to celebrate the opening of our new forum, the first topic is, suprize, suprize the never ending quiz...

So as previously, i post an image two times a week (in wendsdays and saturndays) and you all can try to awnser correctly what particular military vehicle or so is in the picture. If the quizz gets lots of awnsers, i may put some ranging list of those who have anwsered correctly.

You can also send me photos wich could be used as a quizz pic

but here we go:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5192/quizznew2ad.jpg

[MIGleader]

It appears to be a wwII age ship, due to the lack of missles. it also seems to be russian or chinese, not western. Could it be the four destroyers russia supplied china after WWII?

[J T Z]

It seems to be a picture of chinese Type 053 (Jianghu) Frigates.

[MIGleader]

It seems to be a picture of chinese Type 053 (Jianghu) Frigates.

The desination number on the ship is not a jianghu.
But i have too admit, it does look alot like a jianhu. nmaybe the # is just screwed from the resolution.

[stonewind]

Golle keeping us on our feet with black and white imaging making us think its old!!! though it does look old, It really is Jianghu type 53. With a photo taken fromthe 60's

[FriedRiceNSpice]

For some reason, I think it might be a WWII era Japanese destroyer or light cruiser. There seems to be a red sun at the bow of the ship.

[MIGleader]

thats odd too. the image is too blurry to tell.
jap destroyers did not have red suns. the had a
almost flower like design on the front of their ships.

[rommel]

it's the Yingtan, pennant number 531 of the Jiangdong class (053K) FFG.

[MIGleader]

pretty much agreed. this one was easy.

[sumdud]

I was going to go for the Luda...........
No.........bad number.........
First Jianghu?

[YueTheMighty]

Do you guys have any knowledge on naval vessels? If not, then don't cloud this quiz with silly noneducated guesses. Obviously, a smart and keen observer can tell that the vessel in the picture is a Sovremenny Class (Project 956/EM) Missile Destroyer!

[rommel]

Do you guys have any knowledge on naval vessels? If not, then don't cloud this quiz with silly noneducated guesses. Obviously, a smart and keen observer can tell that the vessel in the picture is a Sovremenny Class (Project 956/EM) Missile Destroyer!


WOW, do u come from Mars ??? I said it and I'll say it again, it's the Yingtan, pennant number 531 of the Jiangdong class (053K) FFG.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

WOW, do u come from Mars ??? I said it and I'll say it again, it's the Yingtan, pennant number 531 of the Jiangdong class (053K) FFG.

Yue isn't exactly the brightest fish in the ocean...

[vincelee]

ok this is going too far.

YueTheMighty, stop being a fag.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

ok this is going too far.

YueTheMighty, stop being a fag.

Hey hey hey! Just because he is not very intelligent doesn't mean that he is a fag!

[MIGleader]

he's obviously being sarcastic. no one knowes what a 956 em will look like, only that it will be similar to the 956E.

[YueTheMighty]

Watch it Vince! You dumb islander! You dare call me a fag? Your sorry 40-year old @$$ was the reason that they had to invent the word fag!

And as for riceboi, calling me stuipid doesn't help it. I can assure you that I know far more than you think.

Dude, even if it's funny, it's still offensive.

[YueTheMighty]

he's obviously being sarcastic. no one knowes what a 956 em will look like, only that it will be similar to the 956E.

Finally someone with some sense! Would someone wise and all-knowing like me seriously beleive that old rusting sorry-excuse for a boat is the cutting-edge Soverenemy?

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Would someone wise and all-knowing like me seriously beleive that old rusting sorry-excuse for a boat is the cutting-edge Soverenemy?

Yes, YueThePuny.

[sumdud]

Yue, please stop spamming.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Yue, please stop spamming.

I totally agree! Yue, act your age!
And your insult against Vince was only marginal in quality. I can do far better! :D

[PiSigma]

guys i think this vincelee is different from the one we know from before, he writes in a completely different manner, and show insight into military matters, unlike the old one. many of his arguements are intelligent and have evidence for support. let's not show the same hatred for him as we had in the old forum. of course if he decides to act like the way the old vincelee acts, we can always go back.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I think we ought to give him a chance too. Don't hate someone just for their username! Everyone deserves a second chance here. Lets treat him with the same professional respect we show to every other member of this community.

[Gollevainen]

Now for fuk sake this is QUIZZZ not some thrascan...if you have proplems whit each others then do it else where not in my quizz.....

[MIGleader]

gollevanien, can you give us another question now?

[Gollevainen]

Alright...Now the correct awnser for the previous one was a Jiangdong class FFG 531. THis class was based on the same hull as the Jianghu class. It was PLANs first ship ever to field a SAM system. It carried the HQ-61 as in Jiangwei, but unlike in the later in these ships the missiles where fired from twin-arm launchers. The missile system wasen't succesful at all eq. it had to be hand loaded...

an airbrone for a while...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9800/quiz2uc.jpg

[rommel]

That cannot be an Mirage III and F1 because of the twin front wheel in the front and the single wheel in the back, also because of the 2 round bars on the canopy and it didn't have a refuel prob... hum... i think it's an Indian Marut, not sure...

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Could it be the cancelled J-9 project? And by J-9, I do not mean the FC-1.

[MIGleader]

my first impression was a mirage too, but then i noticed the windows were not the proper design. i looked it up in my military aircraft encyclopedia, but no matches.

[sumdud]

It's not the J-9, that's for sure.

I think it's one of the earliest PRC design. This plane is probably a "Dongfeng" design that came along with the J-12.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Could it be a SAAB Draken?

[rommel]

cannot be a Draken because of the shape of the wing and the air intake. I think it's an Marut but still not sure...

[MIGleader]

intersresting. i thought i did resembele, the marut, but the wing structure is not right... ive only seen one from the rear though

[chinawhite]

it looks like a mirage III.

but the missile looks like a cross between a PL-9 with AIM-7 control surfaces.

[MIGleader]

could it be a prototype mirage or saab?

[chinawhite]

I Dont Know Why But It Reminds Of The F-104

[SampanViking]

To me it looks like a Hawker Sidley Harrier Jump Jet. The old type had blunt noses, but the later ones were fittled with Radar which looked just like that.

[Gollevainen]

Well i must say this has been the most succesfull quiz sofar...

Good answers but all wrong... The aircraf on the pic was MiG-23PD...an early prototype for the Flogger. The main goal was to produce a good STOL fighter and MiG went on whit two ways, The VG variant wich at the end won the contest and this version whit two RD-36 liftengines (same as in Yak-38). This concept proven out not to be so practical (basicly by the same reasons why the Yak-38 wasen't so practical)

Here's more accurate foto on the aircraft:
http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/xplane/mig23pd-i.jpg

But the next one...

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/285/quiz15zc.jpg

[chinawhite]

Gollevainen whats the missle. it looks like a Aim-7 with different seekers

[Gollevainen]

R-24 ringing any bells? :D

[MadMax]

that look like a BTR 152 one of russias first apc

[chinawhite]

to me it looks german. maybe ww2

[Aluka]

Looks like BTR-40, but with 6 wheels. Confusing :confused:

[Gollevainen]

Well it sure did look like BTR-40 and BTR-152...but actually it was their chinese conterpart, the first amuored personal carrior of PLA, the WZ521...

hmm...remember this?
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3738/quizz15qg.jpg

[MIGleader]

definitly russian. dosn't look like kirov or sov...

[rommel]

seem a little bit of the first Kashin type

[MIGleader]

it could be a variant of the kilden or kresta.

[Gollevainen]

well this one was actually asked before, tough whitout photo...

THis is the Soviet project 41 class DD Neustrashimyy, the first soviet destroyer whit pressure fired steam plants. Someone desided that it was too big and the project was cancelled...the Kotlin (project 56) was a scaled down version from it...

THe thing that makes this DD interesting is that Soviets sold it's manuscripts to China and it formed the base for Luda class DDGs (althoug ludas resambles more of the later Kotlin class...)

the next....
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6976/quizz33he.jpg

[rommel]

hummmm... european-made trainer (because of the painting scheme) dno't seem american, which model ? I don't know...

[bd popeye]

It's a T45 Goshawk. The USN uses it for training new carrier pilots.

Here's how it looks in USN training colors.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/t45/images/t45_4.jpg

[swimmerXC]

Hawk Mk 51A???
just taking a guess, i really don't have time for looking these stuff up anymore :(

[ger_mark]

this must be an advancement of l-39

http://www.gla.ac.uk/~woody/pics/by-woody/aviation/l-39.jpg

[muyang523]

I think it's Taiwan's AT-3 Tsu Chiang advanced jet trainer.
Gollevein I found the website where you found the picture.:
http://www.futura-dtp.dk/Flysiden/Fly/Taiwan/AT3.htm

[Gollevainen]

You where right, it was the Taiwans jettrainer AT-3...i'm quite suprised to see that no one else cathed that one...

now here's a tricky one...
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/857/quizz43rj.jpg

[MIGleader]

that thing must be german. the design is just like most german prototypes.
interesting how it only has 5 wheels.

[utelore]

Its a "Jaguar" designed by cadilac gage textron and china national machinery and equipment import corp

[ger_mark]

type 59 upgarde

looks like leopard 1 copy :)

[utelore]

Yep, really upgraded Type-59 so upgraded that its a whole different tank....called the Jaguar.......cheer ute

[MadMax]

why would the PLA want a M2 .50 cal machine gun on the turet its not compatible with chinese 12.7 mm ammo

[rommel]

Yep, really upgraded Type-59 so upgraded that its a whole different tank....called the Jaguar.......cheer ute

wow, can you show me someother pics of it ?? On Golle's pic, it got a lot of similarity with the US-made Stingray Light Tank

[chinawhite]

http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/pics/jaguar_1.jpg

this is the only picture i can find of the jaguar

but im not to sure if its the finished product

[chinawhite]

the stingray has a lot different hull, but the turrnet looks alike

http://www.gf81.com.cn/16/images/tank-stingray.jpg

[chinawhite]

Interesting tank prototype based on T-59.
Translation: (Warning: I translated this myself, so you won't find any other English version)
In the history of our army's equipment, there was a not well known heavy weapon, the "Jaguar Tank", jointly developed by China and the US. In the 80s, of the last century, China Machinery Equipment Export & Import Co. and the US' Cadillac Gage Textron proposed a plan of joint development of the "Jaguar Tank", with each side providing 40% of the components and the rest 20% provided by international contractors. At the end of the decade, underthe influence of international political climate, the US unilaterally terminated the program, and the "Jaguar I" and "Jaguar II" types came to an end after only producing one prototype each.

"Jaguar" kept the T-59's wheelbase and suspension, but increased one set of road wheels. This tank has a crew of 4, a combat weight of 40 tonnes, a length of 9.6 m, a width of 2.7 m, a height of 2.83 m, and it could ford water 1.1 m deep. It's propulsion used US Detroit Diesel Engine Company's BV-92TA diesel engine. with a power rating of 560 kilowatts, and road max speed of 55 km/h.

This tank's main weapon is a 105 mm tank gun manufactured by the British Royal Arsenal. Its turret could rotate 360 degrees, and the gunn could make pitches from - 4 to + 17 degrees. It contains 34 rounds, and it could fire all NATO 105 mm tank rounds. Its feed machenism, of the L7 series, is very convenient, utilised by many contries. Also, "Jaguar" has 1 7.62 mm machine gun and one M2HB type 12.7 mm antiaircraft machine gun, respectively with 2500 and 600 rounds.

Because "Jaguar" inherited the tradition of Soviet tank, it has a low silhoutte, so it has higher survivability compared to equipment of the same type. Alos, it has a smoke dispenser system, so when attacked, it could surrond itself with smoke, thus gaining stealth.

http://www.cnradio.com.cn/wcm/military/guofang/W020040419600743065535.jpg




here is a article with this picture

[MIGleader]

any one have the stats of the tank? it may be a good replacement for the type 59.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

any one have the stats of the tank? it may be a good replacement for the type 59.

Only two prototypes were made. I don't think they have the equipment/parts to make more.

[utelore]

No man, that thing is a hunk of junk. they are all sitting in musems or rusting someplace. that design was put out in the late 80s. never went anywhere. not even should be considered a MBT as light as it is.....cheers ute

[Gollevainen]

Not so tricky one afterall...Utelore was correct it was the Jaguar project from the Eightys...

down by the seaside again...

http://www2.janes.com/janesdata/yb/jfs/images/p0050746.jpg

[rommel]

easy one, Pennant number 33, name: Kotor, of the Kotor (Modified Split) Class, Yugoslavia

[sumdud]

Kotor class, Yugoslavia, as Rommel said

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/news017.htm

For the tank...... I wish China had that..... Should be better than the 59D.

[Gollevainen]

You seem to know everything...Yeas this is the Yugoslavian Kotor class frigate, it was an indegenious version of the soviet Koni class wich Yugoslavia
also have (or to be more spesific, Serbia-Montenegro now has)

just for a little advertisment, the next month (october) will be a tank-month, all the quizz questions will be tank related. For this we can thanks Aluka for providing the most of the coming tank pictures...

but it aint october yeat, so here we keep on going...now this next one may seem as a childish drawing but is actually a quite acurate scale for certain aircraft concept....

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/641/quizz57fh.jpg

[MIGleader]

not bad idea. looks like the russians tried to copy the f-15. is a a mig or sukoi?

[rommel]

it bear similarity with the MiG-25 but does not have the same tail.

[chinawhite]

Wasn't that the Yak design for the MFI?

[Aluka]

not bad idea. looks like the russians tried to copy the f-15. is a a mig or sukoi?
Actually americans made their F-15 as a copy of MiG-25.

And this one looks like Yak indeed, but it's not the same "would be MFI" plane, i've seen.

[BrotherofSnake]

The F-15 is one hell of an air superiority fighter. :D

[MIGleader]

brother, refrain from saying stuff lie that. it does not realate.

[muyang523]

It 's a Mig-31.

[MadMax]

tails different from the Mig 25 and it needs a second cokpit to be a Mig 31 and again the tails wrong
maybe its a Mig 31 prototype

[MIGleader]

no, mig 31 has larger intakes and is two seater. it looks like a sukoi design to me.

[sumdud]

The fox bat body, eagle wings, and Freestyle on the Tail.......a hard one......
A competitor for the Foxhound?

[Gollevainen]

Well good awnsers but not exactly...This was the another MiG-29, the bigger one. In the late 60's and early 70's Soviets made up a competition to produce new fighters mach to the new american projects, F-16 and F-15. those projects where called LPFI and TPFI. While Sukhoi concerated in the heavy fighter project (TPFI) and MiG mainly on the light fighter project (LPFI) MiG also made a proposal in the TPFI program. And this drawing presents the MIGs suggestion for the heavy fighter...it was before when both MiG and Sukhoi went on the airframe concept evident in the Su-27 and MiG-29...

but the next one:
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/5701/quizz74kn.jpg

[muyang523]

F-104

[BrotherofSnake]

The wings don't really look like the Starfighter's.

[MIGleader]

is it some sort of a lockeed prototype plane? they were really common in the 60's.

[sumdud]

F-11 Tiger?
http://airwar.ru/enc_e/fighter/f11.html

Not bad for its days.

[Gollevainen]

Sumdud was right. It is the Gruman F-11 tiger, the first supersonic fighter in USN.

as the coming tank moth will keep us tied to the groun for while, lets keep airbrone untill then...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2663/5218017rz.jpg

[sumdud]

No idea.

Here:
http://s3.invisionfree.com/PLA_MILITARY_PICTURE/index.php?showtopic=258&st=3
All I know is that they are the same liner.

[rommel]

Boeing 707

[sumdud]

Hmm.... I doubt it. It has two wheel undercarriage, and the fin lacks the forward pointing attenna.

[swimmerXC]

let me do this...
Shanghai Y-10

[rommel]

props to Swimmer XC, it's effectively a Shangai Y-10 which is a copy of the Boeing 707-120 with some minor modification and only 2 prototypes were built.

[MIGleader]

i was going to say 707, but the plane was chinese.

[Gollevainen]

Well Y-10 was correct awnser....it was the cancelled project based on 707 to provide domestic airliner to PRC...

But as i've been promising October will be a tank-month...so all the pics will be different tanks...This is all is made possiple by Aluka who provided me most of the coming pics...hats off to Aluka!

and here we go...

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7656/726ux.jpg

[chinawhite]

japanese T-90?

[rommel]

japanese T-90?

not really,it's a South African TTD (Tank Technology Demonstrator) developed by Reumech OMC.

[MIGleader]

i was going to say its an olifant prototype, but rommel probably got it.

[sumdud]

Well, South Africa only have the olifant, so if any kind of demo or upgrade are conducted, it'll be on the olifant. But this tank has 7 wheels instead of the usual 6 though. I thought it was French at first.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Could it be an early prototype of the Merkerva?

[rommel]

The TTD is supposed to be a replacement project of the old Olifant which was a south african modified version of the british's WWII-era Centurion MBT (the first prototype of the Centurion was built during the war but only enter service in 1951), so a new tank design was needed. So they (South Africa) ask for a tank that have a 120mm main gun, good engine, something fast and with sophisticated fire control system. But I don't know what this project has become, was it cancelled or the TTD is now in service under another name ??

Anyways, there's another pic of the TTD
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/images/ttd-pic2.jpg

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Yup. That has got to be it. The two tanks look identical.

[Gollevainen]

Well Rommel got it right...indeed that one was the TTD from Souht Africa...

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5803/39bn.jpg

how about this one...

[Red Guard]

M551?

[ger_mark]

german/usa mbt70 ?

http://www.defence.co.kr/bbs/data/landarms1/mbt70-03.jpg

[Lavi]

I would say the shape of the tower indicates it's from the eastern bloc, but i can't come up with any more details... Is it perhaps amphibious? I think it looks a little bit like it could be some kind of light/fast tank for service with e.g. paratroops or recce units.

[MIGleader]

im a agreeing with germark
the turret shape is very prominant

if not...
m 48 varient?

[rommel]

i agree with germark and migleader, it's effectively a MBT-70

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I'd guess that it is a Soviet tank.

[chinawhite]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mbt-70-0013.jpg

kinda looks like it

[Lavi]

Is that the MBT-70? Ok, then you were rigth.

Was it the MBT-70 that later became the Leopard?

[ger_mark]

the americans only joined mbt 70 to steal out tank technology, their abrams is completely different to any other amercan tank before

[MIGleader]

we now present the m1 abbhrams, a us tank with a british armor, a german gun ,and geman technology.

[krasnayaskorpio]

Definately the MBT 70

[utelore]

yep MBT-70

[Gollevainen]

well you all think that this one was easy but it turned out to be something else...It was XM803, american simpified version of the MBT-70...the sole prototype is now on Fort knox's amoured museum and it was converted from one of the MBT70
prototypes..heres punch other pics that you can compare to orginal MBT70
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/145/314ai.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2023/325ko.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5901/342ml.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2023/325ko.jpg)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7664/357eq.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2023/325ko.jpg)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7840/364mp.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5803/39bn.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1189/332ko.jpg

the next!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6625/quizz80sk.jpg

[rommel]

That was too easy, JGSDF (Japan Ground Self-defence Force) Type 61 Tank

[chinawhite]

It was XM803, american simpified version of the MBT-70...the sole prototype is now on Fort knox's amoured museum and it was converted from one of the MBT70
prototypes..heres punch other pics that you can compare to orginal MBT70


i knew it didn't look the same

[Gollevainen]

Well that Type 61 was bit too easy...hope not this isen't too hard...
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/839/quizz154vw.jpg

[MadMax]

Tiger prototype?

[rommel]

Well, this "Tiger" is a little bit special, 5 road wheel is visible, while on the Henshel Tiger, it was 8 road wheel in 2 row and was 6 in 1 row for the Porche Tiger. I only saw once a Tiger with only 5 road wheel, it was a Soviet T-55 converted into a Tiger. I think this is a conversion of another tank into Tiger because the gun's barrel is not similiar to the barrel of the KwK36 88mm L/56 of the Tiger I
http://pedg.org/panzer/public/website/images/t55tig.jpg
(yes, this is T-55 converted in Tiger)

[MIGleader]

the gun looks a bit small...is it an up armored and upfiredpowered panzer mk 4?

[Aluka]

the gun looks a bit small...is it an up armored and upfiredpowered panzer mk 4?
Have you ever seen PzKpfV IV? It's not german tank, i believe...

[MIGleader]

Have you ever seen PzKpfV IV? It's not german tank, i believe...

you know what...your right. this could be a british tank captured by the germans

but this vehicle also has a resemblace tyo the japanese panther...

[MadMax]

now that i look closer it almost looks like a british cromwell with a tiger turret the suspension is exactly the same as the cromwell
its not even close to as tall as a real tiger

[rommel]

okay guy, this isn't a Panzer IV because the Pz IV got 8 small road-wheel, if it's a british tank captured by german, it's can only be a Cromwell, but if it's a Cromwell, it were heavily modified because the commander's coupola is different on the Cromwell it's lower than the German one,the bow MG is at the left of the driver on Cromwell while the Tiger got it on the right of the driver and they removed the coaxial MG that is on the left of the main gun on Cromwell. So I don't think it's neither a modified captured tank or a Pz IV, I think it's more a T-55 converted in Tiger after the war.

[MIGleader]

okay guy, this isn't a Panzer IV because the Pz IV got 8 small road-wheel, if it's a british tank captured by german, it's can only be a Cromwell, but if it's a Cromwell, it were heavily modified because the commander's coupola is different on the Cromwell it's lower than the German one,the bow MG is at the left of the driver on Cromwell while the Tiger got it on the right of the driver and they removed the coaxial MG that is on the left of the main gun on Cromwell. So I don't think it's neither a modified captured tank or a Pz IV, I think it's more a T-55 converted in Tiger after the war.

why would the t-55 feature german markings? and that turret is clearly smallr and more angled that the tigers

[rommel]

why would the t-55 feature german markings? and that turret is clearly smallr and more angled that the tigers
http://pedg.org/panzer/public/website/images/t55tig.jpg
That's a T-55 modified into Tiger, the german marking could be for propaganda purpose. I said it, if it's was a british tank, it will be heavy modified because the only british carateristic that the pic Mr. G show us is the 5 road-wheel rolling system. In this case, will be hard to recognize a british tank in that...

[Knarfo]

why would the t-55 feature german markings? and that turret is clearly smallr and more angled that the tigers

For movies ??

[MIGleader]

For movies ??

just what i was thinking...nah. i saw a russian movie about russian guerillas fighting the german army, and the german army was equipped with t-34s...kinda odd.

[Aluka]

Tiger from "Saving Private Ryan" was actually a T-34, right?
i saw a russian movie about russian guerillas fighting the german army, and the german army was equipped with t-34s...kinda odd.
Kinda strange... I saw bunch of such movies, but germans always had either Pz III or IV, or cardboard Tigirs in them. What was it exactly?

[MIGleader]

Tiger from "Saving Private Ryan" was actually a T-34, right?

Kinda strange... I saw bunch of such movies, but germans always had either Pz III or IV, or cardboard Tigirs in them. What was it exactly?

it was on the history channel. i dont remeber the name.

[Gollevainen]

if you are not trying to guess the correct answer, dont chit-chat...but you are on the rigth track whit your guessing and the tank is asking you: "can you see the real me, can you, CAN YOU?"

[rommel]

Tiger from "Saving Private Ryan" was actually a T-34, right?

Kinda strange... I saw bunch of such movies, but germans always had either Pz III or IV, or cardboard Tigirs in them. What was it exactly?

yes you are right, the Tiger in Saving Private Ryan were modified T-34, but the picture show by G are not T-34 since the front plate of the chassis are not as straight like in the T-34 of Saving Private Ryan.

[Gollevainen]

Well you where on the right tracks...this was a "movie actor" tough not T-34 nor T-55, but the one in the middle...The T-44. The conversion was made for some soviet film...

but let's ramble on...another one provided by Aluka...
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/443/94mg.jpg

[MIGleader]

t-84-120mm "oplot"?

[utelore]

Its a "Vihor" main battle tank.....cheers ute

[MIGleader]

Its a "Vihor" main battle tank.....cheers ute
you google cheapskate!!! this image was on google!!!
anyways, the vihor is a croation tank based on the t-72m.

[utelore]

too funny. YOU googled it when I gave you the name. its just a upgraded M-84. Its not realy used nor in production in any great quanity.

[Gollevainen]

Well Vihor is right awnser but it isen't croatian desing, but from then-united Yugoslavia. It was indented for M-84s (licence copy of T-72) follower but the civilwar and breakdown put end to those plans...The croatian tank, wich Utelore ment is Degman, improved version whit welded turret. It's said to be based on the orginal Vihor project...

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5606/quizzt22bw.jpg

hope this one isen't too easy again...

[Aluka]

Gun looks like soviet 76.2mm. Hull looks german. PzKpfw III?

[Red not Dead]

Gun looks like soviet 76.2mm. Hull looks german. PzKpfw III?


Su 76i golle.

that tank (assault gun/gun carriage) is visible on battlefield.ru

[Red not Dead]

Tiger from "Saving Private Ryan" was actually a T-34, right?

Kinda strange... I saw bunch of such movies, but germans always had either Pz III or IV, or cardboard Tigirs in them. What was it exactly?

Anyway germans used russian materiel especially t-34...you can look at the Achtung panzer website.

[Red not Dead]

well you all think that this one was easy but it turned out to be something else...It was XM803, american simpified version of the MBT-70...the sole prototype is now on Fort knox's amoured museum and it was converted from one of the MBT70
prototypes..heres punch other pics that you can compare to orginal MBT70
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/145/314ai.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2023/325ko.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5901/342ml.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2023/325ko.jpg)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7664/357eq.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2023/325ko.jpg)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7840/364mp.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5803/39bn.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1189/332ko.jpg

the next!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6625/quizz80sk.jpg


Small precision...m41 walking bulldog derived from m18 hellcat and m24 chaffee.

[Gollevainen]

no need to answer old quizezz as they are already being covered...also this thread is not for general discussion, just try and quess the latest quizz...

[Red not Dead]

no need to answer old quizezz as they are already being covered...also this thread is not for general discussion, just try and quess the latest quizz...


Sorry you can delete my posts...were saying Su 76i

[Gollevainen]

well Rednotdead was right this was the Su-76i, a soviet assault gun from WWII...well sort of soviet/german "collobration" where captured Stu.40 assault guns received soviet 76,2 mm gun.

This one is provided by Red not dead...

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1817/gertk1sj.jpg

[Vytautas]

This one is WAY too easy for me.Ill keep quet :D

[Red not Dead]

This one is WAY too easy for me.Ill keep quet :D

I remeber you being polish isn't it? then yeah keep quiet:D

[Gollevainen]

Well It seems like old European minor tank desings dont drawn attention that i presumed...well, this was polish TKS tankete from 30's

heres bit newer desing...

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4005/quizz349zb.jpg

[MIGleader]

Well It seems like old European minor tank desings dont drawn attention that i presumed...well, this was polish TKS tankete from 30's

heres bit newer desing...

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4005/quizz349zb.jpg

omg it looks like the scorpion tank from halo!!!!

[Aluka]

I think this thing is european, most likely Swedish. Probably i'll find name soon.

[Red not Dead]

I think this thing is european, most likely Swedish. Probably i'll find name soon.


S 2000 Tank Udar...

[ger_mark]

Well It seems like old European minor tank desings dont drawn attention that i presumed...well, this was polish TKS tankete from 30's

heres bit newer desing...

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4005/quizz349zb.jpg
UDES-XX-20. Swedish prototype for a tank-hunter, based on a Hagglunds. 120mm cannon, 25t. Not introduced, Sweden bought the Leopard 2 (STRV 122) instead.

[Gollevainen]

Well Ger_mark was right (and reds and aluka got close too) This was swedish proposed desings for the stridswagon 2000 competition...Leo II won it sadly tough it would have been nice to see some new swedish tanks in service...

here's the last tank...you sure know your tanks...

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2786/quizz194xk.jpg

[chinawhite]

looks like a BT-7 modification.

BT-7A?

[Gauntlet]

here's the last tank...you sure know your tanks...

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2786/quizz194xk.jpgEasy! ;)

Finnish BT42.

Captured BT-7s modified with a british 4.5" (114mm) howitzer.
The guns were donated by the Brits during the Winter War.

[ger_mark]

dont you had this tank on the old forum already ?

[chinawhite]

damn. i knew it was a BT-7 mod.

it looks like a BT-7A to
http://www.tracks-n-troops.com/TP/7280.jpg

[Gollevainen]

Thank god the tank month is over...as i said you sure know your tanks...almoust every tank was knowed...including this. Yeas Gauntlet was right, it was our effort to the worldwide tank family the Bt-42 assault gun. Now it was actually tank at all but tankdestroyer whit captured Soviet Bt-7s fitted whit british 144mm howitsers dating back to 1918...despred meassure and not so succesfull desing, but it was despret times back then....

Finaly getting our feets wet aonce again...

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3483/s3dw.jpg

[PiSigma]

looks like the Aoba japanese heavy cruiser from ww2. commissioned in 1926-27ish i think.

[MIGleader]

looks like the Aoba japanese heavy cruiser from ww2. commissioned in 1926-27ish i think.

nope. the back isnt right, and aoba had only two guns per turret
this ship looks british designed

[Lavi]

I wouldn't said it is British, more probably then a Japanese ship (which then probably could support British features due to the Japanese fleets many British deisgned & built ships).

[Gollevainen]

a midpoint annouchment: Due the ongoing martial law, the quizz will be in here so that the quizz, the brightest ligth and beacon of the whole forum can go on as it has gone trough all other difficoult time and sorrow...:nana:

[MIGleader]

I wouldn't said it is British, more probably then a Japanese ship (which then probably could support British features due to the Japanese fleets many British deisgned & built ships).

i dont see the crysanthemum thats on the front of all japnese ships.

[PiSigma]

i see 2 rising sun flags on the superstructure. but ya, it's not aoba. i didn't notice the guns before. but it's definitly a ww2 japanese cruiser.

[MIGleader]

i see 2 rising sun flags on the superstructure. but ya, it's not aoba. i didn't notice the guns before. but it's definitly a ww2 japanese cruiser.

taek your pick:
tone
agano
katori
takao
nachi
furutaka
theres too many of em!!

[muyang523]

Looks like a Japanese Heavy Cruiser Furutaka.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h97000/h97705.jpg

[PiSigma]

furukata looks like it only have one gun... weird.. maybe just my eyes. and the superstructure looks different.

[MIGleader]

damn it!!! ive looked up every japanese cruiiser from that time period and none match!!! hints?

[MadMax]

is the move only temporary cause it makes more sense in the world defence section than off topic

[Gollevainen]

well The transition of quizz is only due the fact that the Offtopic is closed. Where it eventually end up I dont know, but we will see it. In any case the quizz must go on and it shall never end!!:p

But to quizz, cruisers aren't obviously your strongest point...;) This is a Soviet Chapayev class cruiser (i'm sorry but i hove no idia wich ship of the class:o ) Laid down just prior the WWII but completed only after the war. It was a predessor for the Famous Sverdlov class and shares almoust identical armament wich should have been the most stricing reconiton feature...look close and you noticed the 100mm dual AA guns wich were scaled down version of the bigger 130mm dual DP guns fitted also in Ludas...

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/601/quizz229fl.jpg

[rommel]

Hum... Let me guess, french Dassault Mirage G

[MIGleader]

Hum... Let me guess, french Dassault Mirage G

it appears your right. i think the top one is the g4 and the bottom one is the g8. are they prototypes?

[rommel]

well, it's the only 2 remaining prototype (never in service), the first one crashed, those 2 are the G801 and G802, i think...

[Gollevainen]

too easy right??? Well Mirage G4/8 was the correct awnser....

Well this next one is sort of preview of my comming up new topic (yeas yeas i know, i've been promising this and that...like the Taiwan thread, but with it, the bases of my topic was sort of cut of...)

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/3706/project1020021yw4vp.jpg

[Lavi]

Well, the choppers on the deck are Kamovs, so this is a Soviet/Russian through deck-cruiser/ASW carrier. It resembles the Project 1143 Krechyet/Kiev. Lock at the similarities of the island on the model and on this photo:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/kiev-DNST8809272.JPG

My guess is that this is some project based on the 1143 with the missiles removed to add extra parking space for aircrafts/choppers.

[MIGleader]

leme guess...was this a planned soviet modification for the Baku or other kievs to hold more choppers/vtols?

[Gollevainen]

Well...where did you get that Kiev?? this boat is lot smaller, just look of the size of the Helix's...anyway, correct answer would have been Soviet Kalhzan class helicopter carrier project 10200. It was never build but only porposed as derivate of pr.1609 Kapitan Smirnov class Ro-Ro cortainer ship. More info would be found in the part three of my new upcoming soviet carrier thread...

heres new one:

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4121/model23ah.jpg

[rommel]

I've saw this SP gun somewhere before, it's a russian design, it's the 2S1 M-1974 Gvodzika (Carnation) 122-mm Self-Propelled Howitzer derived from the PT-76 or MT-LB chassis.

[Lavi]

It looks like an upgunned BMP-3, but aside from that I can't say anything more specific :confused:

I guess I have to admit that I don't have a clue about what this thing is.

[MIGleader]

I've saw this SP gun somewhere before, it's a russian design, it's the 2S1 M-1974 Gvodzika (Carnation) 122-mm Self-Propelled Howitzer derived from the PT-76 or MT-LB chassis.

i dunno..it has 7 wheels, ans the pt-76 has 6.
i have to say im lost...looks kinda like a bmp-1-3/d, but the 7 wheels really throws it off.

[Aluka]

It looks almost exactly like 2S1 Gvozdika, turet and gun are identical, but hull and chassis are modified.

[Soyuz]

I think its a model 89 SPH the romanian copy of the 2s1 well it uses the same turret but has a different chasis it has two waterjets at the back for propulsion in the water while the 2S1 was propelled by its tracks only.

[utelore]

Yes, I concur it is a Romanian M-89 122mm self propelled howitzer. It is based on the hull of a MLI-84 ICV. You know what is funny I think I killed one of these things in Iraq. It looked very much the same with a big 122mm gun on a BMP look alilke hull. They were using it in a hull down berm using it as direct fire weapon. They underlined us by about 100meters. But sure did scare the hell out of me.

[Gollevainen]

Well The romanian M-89 SP was a correct answer...

hmm...hope not too easy one...

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5955/quizzlo3pw.jpg

[ger_mark]

model of the british AST 403 ?

http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/76_ast403.jpg

or German Jäger 90 ?

http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/tkf90.jpg

http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/mbb_stroemung.jpg







... wich lead to ef2000

or maybe the romanian prototype from 1990's

[MIGleader]

is it the swiss mirage III fitted with canards?

or the british aerospace EAP tech demonstrator?

[chinawhite]

early version of the LCA modeled on the british P.106B

[swimmerXC]

hmm nice model, did you make it?
http://justplanemodels.com/cart/products/Rafale2.gif
It's a RAFALE!!!

[chinawhite]

P.106 concept for eurofighter,
http://tinypic.com/1zu993

its meant ot be a LCA concept

heres another picture of it
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/WindTunnelModelNAL.jpg

[Lavi]

Well, it's single engined so I wouldn't go for a Rafale.

My bets are on the P.106.

[Gollevainen]

Well as i expected, too easy...that what you get when forgotting today is the quiz day and trying to pull out something from the hat...

anyway...
http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/2467/quizz8896ix.jpg

[darth sidious]

too easy the swedesh Tre Kornor calss crusier maybe after she was sold to Chile

[Gollevainen]

sidious was correct, it was the outstanding light cruiser form our neighbours, sold to Chile in 1971 where it served under name Lattore...

ok...
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/560/quizz311nk.jpg

[rommel]

SSC-1 Shaddock ???

[darth sidious]

think its too big to be a anti-ship missile also there are very few shaddocks made

BUT most likely from RUSland notice the builting in the back ground also the scud type luncher a soviet balastic missile in 60s/70s?

[Gollevainen]

well it wasen't ballistic missile, but anti-ballistic missile system 53T6 Otan ABM-3 Gazelle. The TEL was a MAZ-543M...

Ok heres bit older one as the newer things are strating to run short and i have to save them...(anaway, Im always pleased if you like to send me via PM your own suggestions for Quizz pics) And remember that december is going to be a small arms month...and whit essential special christmas bonus quizz...

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9922/quizz5906ci.jpg

[MadMax]

The nose and tail look like a Messerschmitt BF 109 but the landing gear and cocpit are diferent
my best guess is one of the high altitude prototypes

[MIGleader]

heinkel HE 110 or HE 112?

damn. too many ww2 planes look alike. this thing looks as if it could be a focke wolfe desing aswell.

[chinawhite]

One of the yak series (modifled) Maybe a finish airforce varient

[muyang523]

Maybe a LaGG-3.

[MIGleader]

italian machi folger or veltro?

the design looks like it houses the DB 601 engine.

[darth sidious]

cant be the YAK has retractable tail cant be the HE-112 notice the cokpit look abit like the the bf-109f in the front

chek out afwing.com great web site for these kind of aircraft

[MIGleader]

its the finnish Valtion PM.3 Pyörremyrsky (Violent Storm). i should have known...

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4329.jpg
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4329.htm

[Gollevainen]

Well done migleader....:china: :china: :china: :china:

The correct answer was VL Pyörremyrsky (the proper translation would be whirldwind...)

December will be a once again a special quizz month...dedicated to small arms and handguns. Also the chirstmas will be calmed for the sake of peace on earht, so now quizing in the hollidays...but i will set up a special four pic christmas nuckle and i will discuss whit dongfeng for some good and revarding prize...but more of that later...

Now the last normal quiz of the 2005:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2069/quizz327vh.jpg

[sumdud]

DD Anshan?
Guessed according to mast, ship body, and flag.

[darth sidious]

Soviet type destoryer built in 1930s/40s or ships of similar period built notice the funnel and gun mount rusland fetures for sure not the type 7 tooo many funnels may be the 'Leningrad' type or the fire power that was built after the war

[Gollevainen]

Well the right answer would have been Yastreb class SKR from WWII...notice the 100mm B-34, a clear inidication of non-destroyer armament...

BUt as promised a small arms month is now ongoing...

so here we go:

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/5097/quizz7473293vd.jpg

[darth sidious]

russian 6.5mm semi assult rifle form WWI maybe 1916 (forget name but concept used later for development of assult rifle) or jap equvilent from WWII

[MadMax]

Fedorov avtomat(automatic rifle in russian) the first attempt at creating an assault rifle
herer is another picture http://world.guns.ru/assault/fedorov_sm.jpg

[MIGleader]

thats the one sidous was taking about. the federov was made the fire the japanese arisaka 6.5x50 mm bullet.

[Gollevainen]

Well the fedorov m/16 was a right one...it was one of the first "assault rifles" used operationaly...most interesting part of it history is that it was used by the troops of the mystic Finnish-karelian soviet rebuplic led by Toivo Antikainen back in the 1920' against another finnish group, a rightwing "crusades" in the deep woods of Soviet Karelia...a weird remach of our civil war about 500 km from nearest finnish border...and the "reds" won that one....

but anyway, this one provided by Rommel....

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8676/rifle18jx.jpg

[MadMax]

SA 80 prototype probably the 5.56 mm model not 4.85 mm

[TerraN_EmpirE]

No the older one the XL70E3 prototype.

[Gollevainen]

You came close...this is what rommel wrote when he sended the pic for me...

This is the British XL65E3 (4,85mm), very easy to confuse with the XL70E3 (5,56), there's only slight difference between the 2, i'm sure that my picture is the XL65E3 because it's a picture took by the british School of Infantry and "given" to the book's editor

next:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2055/quizz3943857we.jpg

[TerraN_EmpirE]

It's a Yugo... No not the POS car!
a yugoslovian Modification kit for a Zastiva M85.

[Gollevainen]

sorry about a delay, i've been quite busy in these few days...terrain empire was right, it's a yugoslavian bullpup design form the zaztava carbine...only demostration copyes were made...


http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4747/tkb0134019ix8vf.jpg

[MadMax]

AGS 17 or 18 automatic grenade launcher

[Gollevainen]

Well russian it was, tough not the AGS-17...but TKB-0134 Kozlik, a 40mm grenade machinegun...

....we are getting too few answers...comon, they aren't so hard....

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4307/weapon45cc.jpg

another one from Rommel...

[MIGleader]

its a version of the kampfistole featuring a Wurfgranatpatrone 326 LP or WK 326 LP grenade. this version may have had a primitive stock added
http://www.geocities.com/pizzatest/panzerfaust8.htm

[Gollevainen]

miggy got it rigth...

BUT NOW, THE ULTIMATE QUIZZ...THE CHRISTMASS SPECIAL...NO MORE QUIZEZ IN 2005, AND THE ANSWERS ARE POSTED 1.1 2006!!!!

And cos its christmas, Dongfeng has promised little present for the winner. So the first one who get all of them rigth is going to be PROMOTED to vip-membership status....(if you are all ready vip or mod, then its fame fortune and glory...) So making it fair to everyone, Answers wont be posted in here, but directly to me via PM (private message) Only one gets the status.

So send me messages like this:

Name britishboi
pic 1 USS Missouri (the name of the ship, not any NATO code name of its class)
pic 2 Finnish minelayer Keihässalmi
pic 3 155K98 52cal 155mm gun/howitzer
pic 4 C-5 Galaxy
(though you migth wanna give me CORRECT answers:D )

So here they comes, dont be a wize kid, be a quizzz kid...and remember viproom is waiting just behind the corner

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8880/joulu9zv.jpg

oh and i close this one for temporately so no one would post the answers here and ruin the whole thing...

[Gollevainen]

Ok, quizz drawed some attention but in general the las month was bit lame in this field, WAKE UP!!!
anyway, good answers came but no correct one so no promotions this year...
that little gun seemed to be the difficoult one...

heres the answers...
1) Harbin
2) Siping
3) Type 97 76mm parade howitzer
4) and Y-11

But now as quizz enters into next year I decided to make some changes, I start listing the ones who answers correctly and I ask DF so he would give a VIP membership status to the one member in top of the ranking list, next year smae time...special quizzes migth come, thougth no dedicated 'months' isent on schedule so far...so lets start again... And you can always send pics to me if you want them to be part of the quizz...

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/574/quizz95hj.jpg

ps. and you can now answer here in normal fashion

[MIGleader]

easy...the antonov an-2f.

it was an an experimental artillery-oservation model of 1948, with glazed fuselage mid-section, dorsal machine-gun position and twin vertical tail surfaces

[Gollevainen]

Migleader got it right...

lets stay up there but move little bit to the west...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3505/quizz348485is.jpg

[MIGleader]

once agains, easy. a Supermarine F.1 'Scimitar'
a little about this carrier plane:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mqXmtoUf2cEJ:www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/scimitar/history.html+Scimitar+F.1&hl=en

this specific one is on display at the south hampton hall of aviation

[Gollevainen]

two on the row....hope others managed to squeese their awnsers to next one;) ...

And for now onwards, hope you all wounld't post links among your awnsers, let others have change to quess too...

here we go:
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/1710/quizz455ph.jpg

[MIGleader]

the (HMS) Triumph. Nato designation R16. she started out as a trials and training carrier, but this pic must show her after she was converted to a heavy repair ship in 1957. she was scrapped in spain

[sumdud]

.......... No wonder no one is answering.......
Bullseye on first shot.....

HMS Triumph 16 - R16 - A108
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_light.htm

[Gollevainen]

Miggy is on a winning stream....Yeas Thriump was the right one...

But is his superioty too much for the rest? Can anyone challenge him? Or Is he the Quizwizzard of 2006? You know you don't have to know the awnser, guessing might do as good...so don't be visekid....oohhh be quizkid....


What lurks behind all that junk???

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/5316/quizz060zg.jpg

[sumdud]

88mm AAA? (With light below barrel.)

[swimmerXC]

it belongs on a ship...

[sumdud]

Doesn't have to be. I am guessing the wheel by the shield is part of the gun.

[Gollevainen]

Well it was Swedish 12 cm lvakan 4501, an automatic 120mm towed Anti aircraft gannon developted in late fiftyes...it was outdated desing from the begining as SAMs replaced AAA in long range airdefence work. The same gun was later used as naval applycation in Finnish Turunmaa class Corvettes...

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2198/quizzp34jj.jpg

[muyang523]

J-22 oaro

[MIGleader]

looks kinda like a j-22...(a more detailed picture would be greatly appreciated next time. how on earth are we supposed to deduce something from this?!!)

exept the intake area is more curved than a oraos and the tail fins arnt as swept. im going to go with a fbc-1, although its probably wrong

[sumdud]

Not an Orao. It has mid-wings, where the Orao's wings are above that of the the intake, like that of JH-7 and Jaguar.
Not a SuperGaleb either.........

Likes like one of the planes I designed in '03 or '04........

[Gollevainen]

Well the correct answer would have been the orginal MiG-27, a ground attack plane based on MiG-21 to competite against Sukhois T-8 which eventually led to Su-25

Next:
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/446/quizz0067ti.jpg

[MIGleader]

The Esbern Snare, sister ship to Abasalon, they are denmarks latest warships.
The only way to tell the two ships apart is by looking at the designation number.
Ebsern Snare is L17

I believe she is a command and support ship, although most information on her on the internet is in danish.

btw, wasnt the mig-27 developed form the mig-23, not the mig-21?
and THIS IS A MIG-27!!!
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~rajwar/pictures/planes/mig27_1.jpg
the wings, tail, and nose are nothing like your drawings, gollevainen!!
note how it has a swing wing, while the drawings do not.

[sumdud]

He said the original design..........not the one that was successfully chosen.

[Gollevainen]

btw, wasnt the mig-27 developed form the mig-23, not the mig-21?
and THIS IS A MIG-27!!!

Well sumdud said it...it was the first MiG-27...you see the names in soviet aircrafts many vary bit exspecially when talking about experimental planes. Like the name MiG-23 was first assiged to the chin-intake mounted version of MiG-21 (also visited in this quizz) and the Sukhois later planes like the Su-25T has been reported to be Su-34 and Su-39....

But in future, if you have something left on your thoothole, PM me, and lets keep the quiz thread just for the quiz...thankyou.

[Gollevainen]

Well Miggy is on the winningstream again...WAKE UP YOU OTHERS!!
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8454/quizz5607ar.jpg

[MadMax]

BTR 50 variant

[rommel]

BTR-50 PU command vehicule or czech OT-62 APC

[MIGleader]

Definitely a BTR-50
compare to these pics
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr50pk1.gif
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr50pk2.gif
even the small cable running down the side matches

[rommel]

I'm not sure that's a BTR-50PU series since there's no radio antenna... and the PU series are command vehicule...

[MIGleader]

Rommel, theres a really easy way to check if your answer is correct. Now, this method may not be 100% accurate, but it has always worked for me:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=btr-50&sa=N&tab=wi

The second pic down in the first column.
Warning: only use this method to check if YOUR answer is correct. do not steal someone else's answer!!

[Gollevainen]

Rommel got it right first, The real awnser was BTR-50PU. Now i tryed bit confusion as the the pic was found under the name OT-62 which it howere wasen't. There were two good indications for the fraud and a general reconition guides to these two vehicles. First, the addition of seccond "buble" in the front. Normal BTR-50 have only one but both OT-62 and BTR-50PU has additional one. The actual thing to separetes these two are the apcent of hull door which is abcent in this pic which means it cannot be OT-62. SEccond proof of the fraud is that East Germany didn't use OT-62s so the DDR insiginia tell's a lot.

But now something completely different. I'm now going to test few times this new technique of posting only the siluet of the vehicles. I have no advanced photoshoping programs so they all are made using simply the Microsoft Paint. Thats the reason why they may seem grude and fuzzy. Feel free to post comments and toughts wheter this system is any good so that i would know if it whortawhile to spend a hour to paint these things?

Also this first is quite easy one, i left clear regonition features visible. I will tell more about the rules and what kind of pics i will post if this gets enough attention. If not, then we just go as usual tough couple siluettes may appear occasionaly....

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2776/quizzzz6pr.jpg

[MIGleader]

A mig-17(might be a mig-15)?
cant be that easy...

a comparison image
http://www.highlandlakessquadron.com/mig-17.jpg

looks about right...even the antenae and the samll under body fin match

[darth sidious]

mig-17f

next time image showing the wing fence would be greatly appricated thats the only difference bewten a 17 and a 15

[MIGleader]

Well, the fusalage was redesigned to(a slimmer cigar), but we cant really notice that on a silhouette.

[Gollevainen]

...but who said it's a task to determ 15 and 17 form each others? ;)