Gollevainen's quizz of the week (older)

[sumdud]

That's a J-5 Fresco. I doubt a Faggot is that slim.(Actually, long.)

The MiG-15 should be much smaller.

[MIGleader]

The fresco is not the j-5s NATO name, its the mig-17s.
The mig-17 had a redesigned slimmer fusalage from the mig-15.
The j-5 was just a liscence copy of the mig 17

Mig-17 is my guess

[sumdud]

................ It's a copy, so they share the same codename.......
If not, what's the codename for the J-5?

Can't think of another look-alike plane.

[darth sidious]

................ It's a copy, so they share the same codename.......
If not, what's the codename for the J-5?

Can't think of another look-alike plane.

yes they share the same name J-6= farmer

j-7=fishbed

[Gollevainen]

Not to mock your aircraft regonitoin skills in anyways, but comon, i wouldn't but that easy quizz (separating Fresco form fagot). The correct awnser is Lim-6Bis, a polish build ground attack variant from the MiG-17. It's easily regonized from the soviet plane by the large braking parasuite cone just above the engine nozzle.

As this proven out to draw bit more attention, i decided that now onwards Wensday is a siluet quizz day and saturday is for normal pics...

here we go the old way....
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6974/quizz0989ii.jpg

[Gollevainen]

I won't even say how dissapointed i am...first time of thsi new forums days is quizz left without attention:( :( :( :(

Well we brought it back home where it belongs, so Quiz is now relocated in the members club room.

I wont give the correct awnser for the last one, there is no point for it....

But here's new one. And as this is also one of the new siluetquizes, same rules aply here also. As the pics may be obvios to someones, remember i'm asking the exact name so if you thing it's MiG-21, well thats not enough, if i'm asking MiG-21PFM....
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6567/quizzkesk8xc.png

[rommel]

hum... US M60A3 MBT

[sumdud]

K1a1???
......................

[Gollevainen]

Well Rommy got close, but correct awnser would have been M60A1.

I decided to stick with siluettes as that sub never get attention....

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/8080/quizz54ed.jpg

[darth sidious]

Well Rommy got close, but correct awnser would have been M60A1.

I decided to stick with siluettes as that sub never get attention....

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/8080/quizz54ed.jpg

whiskey long bin???? missile converssion to carry the shaddock missile

but Gollevainen this is defineatly not the mystry sub you posted

[darth sidious]

gollevainen here is a bone for you to chew on

some old artillery used by the chinese army can you name them
http://www.fightersalon.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=1232

[Gollevainen]

Dart got it right, this rather peculiar Sub is Called Whiskey Long Bin by NATO (Project 665) It fielded four P-5 (SS-N-3 Shaddock) SSMs

....and thanks for the nut, i will try to crack it open as soon as possiple...

anyway,
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2876/quizzi9ci.png

[rommel]

F-102A Delta Dagger

[ger_mark]

X31


:)

[swimmerXC]

LCA Tejas
F-106
Avro Arrow
Mirage 2000
J-8II
JAS 39 Gripen
AJ-37 Viggen
Rafale
Tornado

[sumdud]

Delta Dagger, not Dart. (Triangular fin in contrast to 106's conventional fin.)

[MIGleader]

The question is: what is that thing stiking out of the bak of the plane? a rear looking radar? I would have to agree with you, except for the object in the back.

Damn, i hate sihouettes. Too hard to see any defining fetures.

[Gollevainen]

Well you came close, it was TF-102, a side-by-side seated conversion trainer for Delta dagger

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/337/quizzfjfjfj8yk.jpg

[Gollevainen]

A seccond miss in too short time period....and that last one was easy so it cannot be that you don't know...more like you don't care:( :(

Well thats it, i'm now going to post only one pic a week and if the level of participation remains as low i have no other alternatives than to end the longest lasting thread in Sinodefenceforum....you see it's not fun to spend hours to seek good pics and then discover that no one cares...

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/1557/quizz304li.jpg

[MIGleader]

Extremly tempting to say ka-50, although that is not the right answer...
havnt seen anything like it before, though this helicopter looks german.

[swimmerXC]

Russian V-80 or Kamov Ka-50-2 Erdogan

[sumdud]

First prototype of Ka-50 :D

[MIGleader]

I was thinking the v-80 too, but the copter still has the same tail as the ka-50, which is different from this planes tail.

[darth sidious]

KA-50 ??

GOLL you will get alor more responce if you post pics insted of sihouettes too hard to identify

[Gauntlet]

It looks like the Hokum version proposed for Turkey, Ka-50-2 (not to be confused with the Ka-52). However, I haven't seen the sensor under the cockpit which as that picture shows. Other than that I think they look pretty close, altough the bad quality photo makes me think pre-90s. But maybe Golly edited it to make it look older...who knows?

Anyway, Ka-50-2 gets my vote.

[Gollevainen]

Well V-800 would have been correct asnwer...a early two-seater Kamov ka-50prototype...Hmmm...So guess the siluettes werent fun, eh? I thougth it would have been otherwise...couse there isent THAT much of strange pics out there whitout beeing TOO strange...

ok and now onwards, lets keep sunday as quizz day...two times a week makes me run dry too soon...

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2317/quizz788ic.jpg

[tank]

A yak-23. I dont know why its in American colors. It might have been captured in Korea.

[swimmerXC]

Golly next time post a plane try taking out the SERIAL NUMBERS!!!
A single google search with "FU-599 USAF" and surprises, surprise the first link was this...
NOTE: The last picture?

[Gollevainen]

damed....htis how you get when making fast moves.....but i had to edit that link away, lets keep it still fair for the rest of us. No links in awnsers, just the correct type, ok?

[Gollevainen]

Ok sorry about the delay....having serious trouple with my computer...so at this moment the quizzday is in wensdays...

The previous was Yak-17, captured by USA....

next:
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/562/quizzlate2xm.jpg

[darth sidious]

are you sure they werent sold to the us by tatio

[swimmerXC]

are you sure they werent sold to the us by tatio

Here's the link he deleted from my post
http://www.afa.org/magazine/June2004/0604yak.asp

[Kampfwagen]

Sdkfz 251/22?? I know it's an Sdkfz variant.

[Gollevainen]

Well you came close....this was Checzs OT-810, based on that design...

what do you guys think of this?
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/8238/quizzz9zs.png

[darth sidious]

Well you came close....this was Checzs OT-810, based on that design...
what do you guys think of this?
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/8238/quizzz9zs.png

definetly british

it apperars to be a modify perth/leander clss cruiser maybe the Arethusaclass
its it the late KmT cruiser chung king

[Gollevainen]

Dart got it right...It was Ex Brithis HMS Aurora, a Arethusa Class cruiser. It Served KMT under nae Chung King, but Also PRC under name Pei Ching. It was however phassed out in early 60's...

Next, a bit easier one...

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/3661/quizzzdf5bb.png

[MIGleader]

A fokker D-V. Probably not right because of the wings, but thats all i can think of.

[darth sidious]

Dart got it right...It was Ex Brithis HMS Aurora, a Arethusa Class cruiser. It Served KMT under nae Chung King, but Also PRC under name Pei Ching. It was however phassed out in early 60's...

Next, a bit easier one...

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/3661/quizzzdf5bb.png

the aurora never served the communist infact it was never fully repaired after being sunk by nationalist B-24 soviets say its too old and badly damaged

the fire control was sold to USSR to pay for the salvage effort and the engine was used on shore as a power plant

the empty hull its self remine as a storge hulk until the early 90 when it scarped

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Based on the 4-guns per turret design, I am inclined to beleive this is one of the French battleships comissioned in the 1930's.

Opps... wrong page sorry :o

[Gollevainen]

yeah bit wrong...

But to the Aurora, My information says that it did serve. You are rigth it got sunked by nationalists, But reds raised it and commisioned it. But if you want to discuss whit this, Use PM so that the quizz wouldn't be compromised

[Gollevainen]

...a day late, dollar short...

anyway, The previous was Polikarpov I-15, a fighter that have served also in Nationalist Chinese ariforce...wonder why none reconited it, it has some very distinctive features....

seuraava:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7880/quizzzhj5pz.jpg

[Costas 240GD]

...a day late, dollar short...

anyway, The previous was Polikarpov I-15, a fighter that have served also in Nationalist Chinese ariforce...wonder why none reconited it, it has some very distinctive features....

seuraava:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7880/quizzzhj5pz.jpg

North Korean Chonma-Ho (modified T-62 clone)

[MIGleader]

Thers lots of Chonma-Ho varients. This ones looks like it features ERA bricks, so i will say the Chonma-Ho III.

[Costas 240GD]

Thers lots of Chonma-Ho varients. This ones looks like it features ERA bricks, so i will say the Chonma-Ho III.

It's a poor pic,but according to JED it is a Ch'onma-Ho IV

[Gollevainen]

Costas got it right first...it was Norht Korean Ch'onma-Ho IV, a local derivate of T-62

...lets have another tank....

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/296/quizz347bn.jpg

[Finn McCool]

Based on the slope of the turret I would say it is Russian...but the chassis looks American.

[darth sidious]

Costas got it right first...it was Norht Korean Ch'onma-Ho IV, a local derivate of T-62

...lets have another tank....

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/296/quizz347bn.jpg

M-26 pershing derative ETC developed at the end of WWII to fight the german tiger but got sent ot korea aginst T-34

[MIGleader]

Darth, there is no way that is an m-26. The m-26 has 6 wheels not five, and the turret design is completely different.

http://www.battletanks.com/images/M26_Pershing_-3.jpg
see?

This tank appears eastern to me. Is that an a13 i see on the turret?

[PanAsian]

Costas got it right first...it was Norht Korean Ch'onma-Ho IV, a local derivate of T-62

...lets have another tank....

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/296/quizz347bn.jpg

It looks like a M48 but with a big gun and an elongated chassis?

[Gollevainen]

WOnder why none spotted this, it was M103, the last operational Heavy tank developted in USA. It was to be counter the Soviet IS-3 but it was far less than satisfacting design.

Ok i had to do exeption in here and post the new pic today, as i'm not sure if I have a comp in my possesion tommorow...

so...
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8361/quizz77ct.jpg

[MadMax]

looks like it might be a SEPECAT jaguar prototype possibly a carier based idea

[MIGleader]

Talking about the Jaguar M? I think thats the one. a prototype was built, but nothing more came of it, and it was shelved in favor of the super etenard.

[PanAsian]

Definitely an early jaguar for sure. And in the background the low superstructure of a European carrier.

[Gollevainen]

Well MiGLeader got it right, this was a french atempt to navalize their version of the SEPECAT Jaguar (the french version is easily recignized from the nose) and this particular plane was going deck trials onboard Aircraft carrier Foch It never went anywhere and Super Etendart was selected instead.

Remember this?
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9642/quizzweek7wy.jpg

[isthvan]

Qiandaohu class fleet replenishment ship?

[MIGleader]

******* just by looking at the pennant number 871, you can tell its not a Qiandaohu class(886 and 887). Doesnt appear to be Nancang either.

You've been here long enough.

[Gollevainen]

Well i tough the last one was a tricky...It's Similau [871], replacement ship for Royal Thailands Navy build in China. It served propaply as a prototype for the New PLAN replacement ships.

Next:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7959/quizzxc6xd.jpg

[planeman]

That's more up my street that one. An early concept drawing of the Sukhoi "Su-37"* which ultimately became the S-37 (/Su-47) Berkut.

*a designation which has become somewhat confused by subsequently being allocated to a Flanker variant.

[Gollevainen]

Wait a minute whats this? I had to delete few posts above...Patience lads, patience...the quizz is awnsered every week in every wensday...you cannot just go and post your own pictures...It seem that Planeman is quit eager to be quiz master himself...so perhpas i'll make him an apprentice. PM me if you are interested and lets set up guidelines...I will post your last pic in next wensday, but untill then, patience...

[MIGleader]

I remeber seeing this plane in one of swimmers Flanker posters...It is one of the flanker family. What I dont get is why is it's cockpit old style rather than bubble.

[Gollevainen]

Planeman got ti right first, It was Sukhoi Su-37, tough it got nothnig to do with the Berkut other than sharing the number "37". It was Sukhois proposal for new soviet tactical fighter late 80's to replace MiG-23, Su-22 and Su-25. It was to be powered by single R-79 or AL-41 highthrust turbofan.


But as spring is coming, lets make another special quizz...like we did last crishtmass. The rules are the same: I will post five pictures and you will give me correct anwsers via PM. I need exact types, so for example single "Hercules" wont do if I'm asking Lockheed EC-130E...got it?
And ofcourse the prizes are the same, the one first giving me a correct awnsers to all five pics, will be honoured to Vip-member...So it's rather attractive option for full time army service, don't you think?
Also to give everyone a same change, i will close this thread so none would accidentaly post here...

The winner is annouced in 1.6 2006.

Good luck

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9655/springquiz1gr.jpg

[Gollevainen]

well the spring quizz seem kind a flop, only one answer came, and it was almoust correct, but not enough....to make planeman a vip member...

Anyway, I admit that the choises were bit difficoult one and would have required good knowledge over aviation, other than sexy fighter planes and sthealt bombers that seems to be more common.

The rigth answers are:

1. Fairchild Fh-227
2. Douglas C-133B Cargomaster
3. Shorts Belfast
4. Sud-Est S.E.2010 Armagnac
5. Beriev Be-32

ok, here is the nezt one...
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9375/quizz891nf.jpg

[sumdud]

Is the ship Vietnamese?

[Gollevainen]

Well the rigth answer would have been PLANs Wolei class minelayer, and easy one considering that Dongfengs mainsite has quite good picture for reconition. Frankly Im bit dissapointed, Minewarfare is much more important factor in warfare than lets say sthealth bombers, which seems to drawn all the attention...
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/littoral/wolei.asp


anyway lets try this "shtealth bomber"...
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7463/quizz003wp.jpg

[isthvan]

Cold you post picture taken from other angle?
IAR-99 Soim? Or Yugoslav G-4? I guess that is one of them because I it looks that it is armed whit AA-8 AAM?
Probably IAR -99...

[sumdud]

I think it's the G-4. But the missile looks like a Python.

[isthvan]

I think it's the G-4. But the missile looks like a Python.

I can’t see clearly because of photographs angle, but if you are right and it has Python then it is definitely IAR-99 SOIM...

[planeman]

Definately the IAR-99 Soim. The photo was taken at the Expomil '99 in Bucurest.

[MIGleader]

It has to be IAR-99. Why? Ive seen pics of the plane with the exact same paint scheme.

http://www.airliners.net/photos/small/6/2/9/763926.jpg
it appears this is standard pain scheme for all romainia IAR-99s

[isthvan]

It is IAR-99... Just look at nose section... G-4 nose section looks differently…

[Gollevainen]

Ok, yeah it was IAR-99 Soim...hats off to Isthvan...

ok here's the next buzzeling one...http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4390/quizelo6am.jpg

[Siddharth]

well i have been searching for this tank for last one week. no clue?

what the hell its is:confused:

[planeman]

It's the old Swedish Pbv 301 APC.

[Gollevainen]

Planeman got it rigth...your the man!!

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8105/quizz913xx.jpg

[isthvan]

Hainan Class?

[planeman]

SO-1 class.

[sumdud]

DPRK's Hainan?

[Gollevainen]

planeman got it rigth it was So.1 class ASW boat project 201, this particluar one serving in German Volksmarine

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/364/quizz6665tb.jpg

[isthvan]

F-4H1 PhantomII?

[TerraN_EmpirE]

definetly a phantom II are those cluster bombs under her?

[bd popeye]

definetly a phantom II are those cluster bombs under her?

Nope those are not cluster bombs. Being a former avation ordanceman in the USN I can tell you those are inert(dummy) 250lb bombs(113.4kg). You can tell by the blue color. Live ammo is green or white with yellow stripes. Inert munitions can also be white with blue stripes.

http://www.ordnance.org/default1.htm

If you want to know what a cluster bomb looks like;

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mk20.htm

Cluster bombs are know as Rockeye's.

[Siddharth]

F-4H1 PhantomII?
nop its not F-4H1 PhantomII, this one has a glass cockpit.

It looks like F-4 Phantom II VX-4.

its F4H-1F or XF4H-1.

[sumdud]

XF4H-1
No guns, single seated, different inlet.

How can you tell if they are inert? The bombs are dark.

[Siddharth]

VX-5 F-4J Phantom II

or

F-4 Phantom II VX-4

[Gollevainen]

Well it prooved out to be rather tricky one but Siddharth got it right...It was F4H-1F...


Next:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6008/quizwat5fz.jpg

[grahamsh]

Years since I have done AFV recognition :( but the hull looks a bit like the Chinese Type 63 APC - although the wheels look slightly different...but that would be just too easy for words. So maybe something related to/modified from the Type 63 (maybe by someone other than the Chinese) - Vietnamese ? Iraqis ?

BTW that pic of the Pbv 301 APC further down - the running gear looks awfully like the WW2 German (ex Czech) Pz 38(t)....proving little other than a misspent youth...but how the devil did the Swedes end up with those hulls ? ah yes, courtesy of Google (what a wonderful thing) they were actually built under licence by Scania....

Grahamsh

[Costas 240GD]

BTW that pic of the Pbv 301 APC further down - the running gear looks awfully like the WW2 German (ex Czech) Pz 38(t)....proving little other than a misspent youth...but how the devil did the Swedes end up with those hulls ? ah yes, courtesy of Google (what a wonderful thing) they were actually built under licence by Scania....

Grahamsh

AFAIK the Swedes ordered them before the 1938 Munich Agreement resulted in the german occupation of Czechoslovakia, and eventually the Germans decided to grant them a production license.

As for Golly's pic... Type 63 prototype//preproduction vehicle maybe???

[sumdud]

63 prototype......... Something doesn't seem right.

Maybe It's a Panther/T-34 that was converted to a APC?

The hatch is unusual and the engine seems to be in the rear.

[Costas 240GD]

Saw another pic of the APC in question. The caption was all chinese, but I could make out the numbers 58-72. Maybe this is the designation.

[sumdud]

Hmmmm....................A competition between the type 58 and type 63 that ended with the type 63 getting the contract?

[Gollevainen]

sumdud got it rigth, it was type 58, one of the first attepmts of tracked chinese APC....

And here's one for celebrating the middsummer fest, so what gun is Golly holding on?
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3199/kuva0689rj.jpg

[planeman]

I'll gamble on Maxim 1910 :)

http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/1910.jpg

[Indianfighter]

I could not have identified the equipment in Gollevainen's hand for a gun. May I ask where did you get that gun from Gollevainen ?

[sumdud]

Wrong thread, Golly. No way to try and make me spit out spaghetti sauce either. :D
Trash gun? (Looks like a trash gun with a snorkel.)
Toy gun? (Seriously, a gun in that colour?!)

Russia's 1st gattling gun.
(That hole looks like it's got different barrels.)

PS: Give the credit to Costas

[Finn McCool]

Super Soaker?

[Gollevainen]

Super soaker???? Are you seeking some sort of punishments:nono: ......:D

Anyway, Planeman got it rigth, it was 7.62 mm M/1910 MAXIM-SOKOLOV Machine-gun....this particular example belonged to my uncle, in whos resident i was celebrating our mid-summer fest....

Anyway, back to something bit more serious....
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2792/quizzkid5el.jpg

[swimmerXC]

Торпедный катер проекта 123К.

The rules are simple, lets all have a change to dig the right awnser as well, so only your awnser, no need to boost it up by spoiling the fun for others, right mate?:)

[MIGleader]

Project 123 torpedo boat, soviet

swimmer, what the heck did u write?

[planeman]

I agree with the other guys, a Soviet Project 123 K torpedo boat.

[isthvan]

Well next please, everione posted answer before I even seen this...

[Gollevainen]

...like I have some unlimited stock of these pics...I post one when I find a good one...;)

[sumdud]

Pycckne?Oh, ni.....................
I was able to say P-4...............but what the heck.

[Gollevainen]

Well swiimer got it right...It was a P-4 (Project 123K) class MTB...

who's next?
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4838/quizz3330bv.jpg

[isthvan]

Bell Yah-63

[Gollevainen]

Isthvan got it right, It was Bells YAH-63, one of the candinates ofr US attack chopper competiotion eventually led to AH-64 Apaches victory...

next:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2986/quizzahnj0.jpg

[Generalissimo]

Im just guessing, so forgive me if im wrong, but is it a WWII italian torpedo boat perhaps? I cant give any specifications.

[DarkEminence]

If I am wrong, so be it, but the hull looks to be an Allied hull (I have so far never seen a hull with that groove in it that has not been an Allied ship). My eyes have failed me, I can't see how many stacks it has. I'm going to take a wild guess and say it is one of the Goodplater destroyers of World War 2. Perhaps a Manhan class?

[Gollevainen]

Funny that none knew this...well it was Japanese Ukuru class escort ship Yaku. It's sistership Shisaka served in the chinese navy after the war under the namy Hui an...

hope this one is easier...

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3088/quizzjullg3.jpg

[sumdud]

M-44?

[isthvan]

M-109a2/a3?

[MadMax]

Japanese Type 74 self propelled gun.

[Gollevainen]

Correct...nice cathc Madmax..

how about this?
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8231/quizzsummerze7.jpg

[MIGleader]

YF-17 Cobra?

[Finn McCool]

Some sort of Hornet prototype?

[MadMax]

looks like a Twianese Ching-Kuo fighter

[planeman]

I agree, Ching Kuo model.

[DarkEminence]

I suppose I will take another wild guess and say a prototype of the Mig-25 Foxbat

[MadMax]

Hey Gollevainen not to sound impaitent but do you update this on a regular schedule or do you just do it when you have another picture. just curious and it dosnt matter to me, the suspense in finding the correct answer is half the fun anyway!

[Gollevainen]

Hey Gollevainen not to sound impaitent but do you update this on a regular schedule or do you just do it when you have another picture. just curious and it dosnt matter to me, the suspense in finding the correct answer is half the fun anyway!

nowadays I usualy post one pic per week. In the begining I posted two pics per week but naturally my resources are getting smaller and there was this phase when the quiz had very low participation. Also I have very little time to seek the pictures anymore so thats another reason for the current rate. If you want to speed up the pace, you can always send me pics by yourself and I will post them in here (and ofcourse give the gredit to the ones giving the pics)

...and just for a hint, look to the wings;)

[Finn McCool]

I think that I see an Iron Cross on there. So is this plane German?

If it isn't, I stick to my original guess, a Hornet prototype. The wings come up to the cockpit. That's pretty rare so I think it is a Hornet prototype.

[sumdud]

I was about to say the Cobra too, but since you mentioned the wings.........The Tornado came in at about the same time as the Hornet. (The tornado is getting replaced already?! WT*!) I would guess that the Germans had taken the Cobra, studied, and this became a failed concept for the Panavia Tornado, which ended up ultimately different.

[bd popeye]

I know that the Swiss have 33 F-18C's..Ahemm I just looked that up.. Is this one? Do I get a prize if I'm correct? Didja know the Swiss AF is also know as the Luftwaffe?

[planeman]

Actually, now I recognise it although I cannot name it off the top of my head. It's one of the German concepts that led up to the Eurofighter - obviously this model's ideas didn't win the day. It's probably not MBB because their's, the JF-90 (aka TFK-90) was most like the eventual Eurofighter, and it's probably not Dornier's because their's had a vertically stacked engine config and biplane wings. So my first guess is that it's .... um.... VFW-Fokker.


EDIT: After some research I now think this is an MBB design although I cannot trace this exact one. BAe also looked at similar designs - the P.96 and P.158 both looked a lot like this, though the latter had a twin tail making it almost identical to the F-18.

[googeler]

bd popeye wrote:
I know that the Swiss have 33 F-18C's..Ahemm I just looked that up.. Is this one? Do I get a prize if I'm correct? Didja know the Swiss AF is also know as the Luftwaffe?

1. It's not a Hornet - have you ever seen 4 missiles in such an arrangement under an F-18? I don't think so.
2. The (barely visible) roundels on the wings are German ones, not Swiss.

So no prize for you this time:D
And the Austrian AF is also called Luftwaffe;)

As far as I can remember it's a Dornier proposal, an ancestor of the Eurofighter - can't recall the exact designation

[bd popeye]

1. It's not a Hornet - have you ever seen 4 missiles in such an arrangement under an F-18? I don't think so.

Having actually worked around Naval aircraft for 20 years I have seen many different configutations for ordanance. But, Nope I have never seen this one.

2. The (barely visible) roundels on the wings are German ones, not Swiss.

Good to know..my 52 year old eyes can't see that much detail. I can barely make out the cross.

Still loooks like some sort of Hornet to me.

[Gollevainen]

Well the right awnser was the MBB TKF-90, so I think it was palneman that got it right...

How about this one?
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/277/quizzxcvbai9.jpg

[planeman]

Well the right awnser was the MBB TKF-90, so I think it was palneman that got it right... Well, not to argue with the boss but I have to say that although it might have been an MBB concept which was put forward for the TKF-90 project, it certainly isn't the design that will go down in history as the MBB TKF-90 (later renamed JF-90).

[sumdud]

The ships is from Chile, or at least was once in service there.
Looks like the crusier Chile have now, but this is much earlier before any upgrade was present.

[Gollevainen]

I must say i'm very dissapointed with you...chilean cruiser...how about trying the country next after chile in alphabethical order??

It was chinese cruiser Ping Hai. She and her sistership were build in Japan for chinese navy just prior the hostilities broke up between these two. It was later captured by the Japanese and in 1944 under the great need of escort ships it was put on japanese service...

Here's one kindly provided by Googeler:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5598/quizzjpgme1.jpg

[DarkEminence]

Polish TKS Tankette?

[Costas 240GD]

Romanian TACAM with 76,2mm AT gun. Based on LT-35 light tank chassis

[Gollevainen]

Nice catch Costas:)



Ok lets try missiles for while...while giving your awnsers, how about If I set up a "special month" like the tank month last year??

http://i2.tinypic.com/240wu2a.jpg

[isthvan]

UK Bloodhound SAM? At first I taught it is Thunderbird you Finns got but Thunderbird has different control surfaces…

[Gollevainen]

Well bloodhound it was...

At first I taught it is Thunderbird you Finns got but Thunderbird has different control surfaces

Ehh? We finns never had Thunderbird, the sole SAMs we had in the coldwar days was P-125 Pechora (SA-3 Goa) and Strela-3 (Sa-7 Grail) which we recieved in late 70's.

Anyway here's next:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2875/quizzwat2mf3.jpg

While dracking that nut, might as well give your obinion about my plan to have a "WWII" month in septemper where all quizzes will be WWII equipment from sea, air and land and from all countries...What do you think?

[isthvan]

Well bloodhound it was...

Ehh? We finns never had Thunderbird, the sole SAMs we had in the coldwar days was P-125 Pechora (SA-3 Goa) and Strela-3 (Sa-7 Grail) which we recieved in late 70's.

Finland planned to purchase either the Thunderbird or Bloodhound missile in the early 1960s. The sale ultimately did not go ahead, but the country did take delivery of some training systems which are still displayed in a Museum in Tuusula.
I have seen some pictures of Thunderbird on display in Finland so I was under impression that Thunderbird was operational in Finnish service... my mistake…

[bd popeye]

While dracking that nut, might as well give your obinion about my plan to have a "WWII" month in septemper where all quizzes will be WWII equipment from sea, air and land and from all countries...What do you think?

Sounds good to me! I can't get any of this obscure:D stuff you post right anyway..might as well give WWII a shot:)

[Costas 240GD]

Well bloodhound it was...



Ehh? We finns never had Thunderbird, the sole SAMs we had in the coldwar days was P-125 Pechora (SA-3 Goa) and Strela-3 (Sa-7 Grail) which we recieved in late 70's.

Anyway here's next:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2875/quizzwat2mf3.jpg

While dracking that nut, might as well give your obinion about my plan to have a "WWII" month in septemper where all quizzes will be WWII equipment from sea, air and land and from all countries...What do you think?

Type 55 coastal patrol boat, I think.

[Gollevainen]

Costas is in a winning stream...That was type 55 aka "Shantou" class partrol craft, basicly P6 with all-gun armament...


But as to celebrate the begining of the nicest and happiest season, the auntum we are going to have special WWII month and all the pics will be various ships, planes and land equipment form that era. I try to post pics form all major countries...

here we go:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4070/quizzwww1sv6.jpg

[MadMax]

Douglas TBD Devastator

hope i didnt answer that too fast lol

[Gollevainen]

well madmax got it rigth...

here's the next one
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4633/quizz1tm5.jpg

[isthvan]

Cruiser Mk VIII Cromwell or CometI? probablly CometI...

[MadMax]

Yes its an A34 Comet

[Gollevainen]

Hmm seems to be bit too easy...well lets raise the stage a bit...

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4169/quizzsyysby6.jpg

[isthvan]

Hunt Class Destroyer?

[Red_CCF]

might be the earlier version of hunt class destroyer

[Gollevainen]

hahaaa weren't so easy...:p

The only thing common with this ship and Hunt class destroyer is that well...they are both ships...

correct awnser would have been Soviet Vladimir Poluchin class fleet minesweeper...

how about some panzers for change??

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8677/quizz4555677tr3.png

[isthvan]

Lt 35 ?

[snake65]

Or rather 35(t), as it's already with German cross.

[Red_CCF]

35t has a different shape than the one in the picture (at least that's what I think, I could be wrong)

[rommel]

Well, actually, I think that you guys are on the right track... i think that's a Skoda Sdkfz 140 PzKpfw 38(t)

[Costas 240GD]

Rommel is right, it is a PzKpfw 38(t), aka LT-38, the LT-35's successor.

[Gollevainen]

Well Rommel made a succesfull return to the quizz...It was a checks LT-38, in german use as a PzKpfw 38(t).

I think thats enough for WWII stuff for now, how about this one?

Now as this is propaply going to be a bit tricky, I'm cool if you just guess the shipclass right into which this design is assosiated...

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4039/quizzoctokm0.jpg

[caksz]

a russian Slava class cruiser .... maybe :p

[rommel]

Wel, the design is very similar to a Slava but it's not a Slava... compare ...
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7740/ru1164linewc0.gif

[eecsmaster]

was this ship even built? Looks like some kind of prototype Kirov.

[snake65]

It's one of early design proposals of 1144 (Kirov), before introduction of Granit missiles.

[Gollevainen]

well eecsmaster and Snake65 got it rigth, it was Kirov...in its earliest concept, thougth this version allready had the FORT sam system onboard. There are also version more similar to the actul desing but fields the older Strom SAM system....

a one couth from the air for once...http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/871/quizz4zw7.jpg

[snake65]

McDonnell F-2H Banshee

[Costas 240GD]

Swiss FFA P-16 MkIII ground attack fighter.

[planeman]

Damn, someone beat me to it. P-16. Irrelevant fact: the P-16's wings were the basis for the Learjet. :)

[Gollevainen]

Costas managed to get the right awnser once again :china:
It was the swiss FFA P-16 MkIII, which unfortunetly never entered serial production...


next:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7574/quizzocto3ax1.jpg

[Costas 240GD]

Leahy class cruiser?

[snake65]

CGN-25 Bainbridge

[bd popeye]

snake25 is correct! That was one I actually knew!

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h98000/h98105.jpg

Does he get a cookie? :D

USS Bainbridge was a one class ship. And performed well over her 35 year USN career. Read about it here;

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-b/dlgn25.htm

[Gollevainen]

snakey got it rigth...
here's easy nut for everyone. Six pics of tanks, and I want all of them regon...exact models offcourse;)
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/8521/tankqj1.jpg

[Costas 240GD]

1. M-84A Yugoslav-built T-72 variant.
2. T-72B "Super Dolly Parton".
3. T-80U/UD.
4. T-80U with Arena active protection system.
5. T-90.
6. T-64BV.

[Gollevainen]

Nothing seems to be too hard for our Creek friend:p THose where the tanks...

how about this one?

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2927/quizznovju5.jpg

[Costas 240GD]

Thanks, Golly.
As for the latest one, Helwan HA-300 from Egypt (developed by Hispano and Willy Messerschmitt).

[planeman]

Agreed, HA-300. The pic looks squashed though, it was in reality quite a long elegant fighter not unlike a MiG-21 with flang intakes. Pitty it was abandoned.

[Gollevainen]

Well it was the German/spanish/egyptian HA-300...

hmm...

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5673/quizzci2.jpg

[isthvan]

Project 1241 Tarantul III class missile corvette

[snake65]

The exact name is Project 12411 Missile boat (Raketnij kater).

[Gollevainen]

well actually even I am bit confused of what that is...ofcourse its member of the Molnya family of missile boats, but which one of them? It seems to be outward intentical to standard Project 1241.1M (Tarantull II), but, as it fooled you, this seems to carry the Moskit missile tubes as does the 1241.1MR (Tarantull III), but it has the foward superstructure step as in Tarantull I and II as well as the mast and Vympel fire-control radar position compination of the Tarantull II (with the raised Vympel position due the radome for the Band Stand SSM radar and Ligth Bulp data-link)...but it lacks the exhaust funnel of the I&II variants as does the III variant...

So what Is it? Could it be the 1241.0 prototype boat mentioned in Convays encyclopedia, that reportedly was fitted with P-80 version of the Moskit and due to that missiles failure, the old Styx was fitted as interim before the 3M80...Also, the source of this photo mentions the name R-46 with this boat, but I have no idea of its reability or that the R-46 would have been the class prototype

anyway, heres last one for this year...its getting really hard to search cunning enough for each week, I simply hasent got the time and energy for it....

http://i10.tinypic.com/4hhpnns.jpg

[snake65]

Golly, R-46 is certainly not the prototype, as the first one of the 1241 was R-2. All ships with Termit missile, which really was an interim measure not because of the failure of the mythical P-80 missile, but just because Moskit was not ready (usual practice for Soviet Navy, look at Udaloys which didn't get their Kinzhal SAMs until 4th ship) where dubbed 1241T, these ships also had COGAG powertrain. The ships which were built to the real 1241 standard are dubbed 12411 and have Moskits, Monolit radar and CODAG. The ship in question may be one of ships which were initially built to 1241T standard, but fitted out as 12411, because Moskits became available.

As to the MLRS it looks like some anti-avalance rocket launcher version, may be a Czech one on Tatra chassis.

[Gollevainen]

It could be, thanks for the information. I just picked out from my 'vault' and only afterward realised that it was one of those oddityes i needed to examine its orgins before posting...

[Costas 240GD]

http://i10.tinypic.com/4hhpnns.jpg

RM-70 122mm MBRL on Tatra chassis. Launcher same as on BM-21 Grad, but also provided with 40 reload rockets and a reload assist system.

[Gollevainen]

Well Costas was right again (he seems to dominate the whole game:D ) and that ends the quiz of the week from thsi year. Thank you all who had participated, good hollidays and preparation for the next year's turne.

These last months have been so busy that I just haven't found time to dig the quiz pictures so for the next year, please send me rare photoes of any military relation and I will post them (with you named as a providor) for the quizz...Also if you have some new ideas or tought how to improve and develop the quiz, feel free to speak your hearts out...

I try to look if I have some good pics left for some special crhistmass nut as done in the past...with equally lucrative prizes...;)

[Gollevainen]

well no chirstmass quizz this year...but the promotion thing got other ways to lurk in...

But back to basics...

http://i16.tinypic.com/2afmxad.jpg

this pic was orginally posted by Snake65 in this other forum, so guess he is out of this one;)

[MadMax]

Thats the "Coalition" self propelled gun. A very...............interesting looking vehicle. It looks like the chassis is over loaded with that giant turret but from what ive heard this is only a test bed and its intended to mount the turret on Russias next gen tank(probably the illusive T95)

[Costas 240GD]

It looks like the chassis is over loaded with that giant turret
I wouldn't say overloaded, as the turret is not armored to MBT standards, but rather SPG standards. Note it the chassis and turret are those of the in-service 2S19 MSTA-S.

[Gollevainen]

Madmax got it rigt, its the Coalicia, something that has been mentioned for next russian naval gun turret also....really intresting thing

next one
http://i14.tinypic.com/2n1xn4m.jpg

[Costas 240GD]

:rofl: Looks like a cross between an Aero L-39, a Northrop F-5 and a Tupolev Tu-22 :rofl:
Tha nose section looks like it came directly from an L-39, so it must be an Aero Vodochody project. A Google search came up with this Aero L-59 a L-159 (A-159B) Sokol)

[Gollevainen]

I moved the link you posted...

People, lets not ruin the joy of others by helping them out
with providing route to the source one gets its answer, but let them twist their minds as well...:)

[Costas 240GD]

OK. But it was fun looking for the answer.

[snake65]

Golly, next time PS the name of the aircraft (it's on the side panel):rofl:

[Gollevainen]

Dammed :mad: ...all the effort of PS of those chechh..crhhhmm...I mean Swedish markings;)

[Gollevainen]

Ok, it was the L-59, Costas got it rigth....Nice little plane that never quite entered into anything, unless you dont wanna count it as predecessor to the current L-159

Here's next:

[Costas 240GD]

Looks like a modified Fletcher class DD.

[eecsmaster]

that design is distinctively Russian.

I'm gonna take a chance and say Project 68 Sverdlov class.

[davidka]

No awnsering to months old questions...

[snake65]

I'd say Forrest Sherman class, handed over to some SA or NATO country

[Gollevainen]

well this proved to be another trikcy one...
It was DD102 Yukikaze, a HARUKAZE class destroyer of JMSDF, build in 1955s. Only two of this class was build and they were first new destroyers entering Japanese fleet after the war.

How about a big gun for change...

[Costas 240GD]

180mm S-23 gun.

[Gollevainen]

Well the defending champion did it again...S-23 it was, a big gun;)

This should be more easier...

http://i15.tinypic.com/49807pk.jpg

[eecsmaster]

YF-17, the LWF/LFX contender along with the YF-16.

[Gollevainen]

Ok...Eeccmaster got it rigth

Ok, this is the last conventional quiz pic.
After this the rules will change to allow more participation.
So the first lucky one guessing this one has the change to provide the next quizz picture. If you havent got one, I can still back it up, but the main direction is now to take this to more wider participation.
So make the quizes hard and cunning and keep up to it as well. The one posting his pics needs to follow this thread as he needs to annouche the winner.
I think we dont need any time lines, just keep the thing moving on. So after the first rigth answer gets, tell it publicly so that he can then provide the next quizz and so on

I try to get this one as easy as possiple to get enough attention as possible, So if you want to be the first quizmaster of the new order, tell me which ship this is:
http://i12.tinypic.com/2ps4u2p.jpg

[bd popeye]

My guess is >>>> FN Jean Bart???

[eecsmaster]

French Navy BB Richelieu.

[bd popeye]

Dang..You beat me to it:( ..I was just going to change my answer..Both ships, Richelieu & Jean Bart are the same class....

[eecsmaster]

except the Jean Bart never had her second turret installed.

Touche.

[speculator]

Dang..You beat me to it:( ..I was just going to change my answer..Both ships, Richelieu & Jean Bart are the same class....
Thats right, they where 2 ships of a planned four ship class, 49,000 displacement and eight 15 inch guns in quadruple configurations. the Jean Bart was damaged in operations in North Africa and later rebuilt after the war. the Richelieu and Jean Bart both served France well into the 1960s to represent the interests of France.

But there aren't many noticeable differences between the 2 ships and its really a lucky dip......

Congrats to you both!

[Gollevainen]

well can we now see Eeccmasters quiz:D
Im all eager to answer them myself, not just providing....

[Costas 240GD]

Just to keep things rolling...
Identify this ugly thingy:
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1288/picturegj6.jpg

[eecsmaster]

same body but no tandem bubble canopies. A wild guess here and:

Hind -A?

[MadMax]

Its a Super Hind upgrade done by south Africa. This is the first time I've seen an actual picture of it and not just a three view drawing!

[eecsmaster]

you're right, it is ATE's Super Hind.

However, according to sources, the project never took off.

So when did South Africa get hinds for upgrade anyway? And from whom?

[Costas 240GD]

Made its maiden appearance at AAD 2006, I just found the pic a couple of days ago.
MadMax can post the next question.

[planeman]

Not the Super Hind exactly but South Africa upgraded Algeria's Hinds to a similar level except they retain the original double canopy.

[Gollevainen]

So new quizz then? (I changed the rules, so now the one who answers correctly can give the next quizz)

[Gollevainen]

prhph.....guess I need to do it myself

Ok, the ship class is rather self-evidence, so answer would require to be the name of the individual ship in the picture...

http://i19.tinypic.com/2a6pdsh.jpg

[planeman]

Hämeenmaa, Finnish Navy. Modified Riga Class FG

[Gollevainen]

Yeah....it was bit easy...

The reason posted this, as I finaly found pic of it. There where two Riga class SKR in Finnish navy, aquired mostly for gunnery ships to replace the wartorne old sloops as well as the Coastal amoured ships. The ships were modified so that the main AA armament was two single bofors 40mm and the disquintive Soviet 30mm in the bow (it was fitted in the 70's). Also these ships posessed torbedo armament, wich was forbidden in the peace treaty with the allied after WWII. Therefore, that feature was never printed in our domestic naval charts and while our President during the Cold War visited these ships and was presented with some torpedo practice, it sure raised some eye-browns in his staff.

Hämeenmaa is also name ship of my home province, so therefore its kinda my favorite ship...It served its final years as a minelayer.

[planeman]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2667/tankmysteryqj7.jpg

[Costas 240GD]

Brazilian EE-T1 Osorio MBT prototype.

[panzerkom]

OMG, you people are too good.

[bd popeye]

OMG, you people are too good.

The man knows his stuff. He is serving his country.

[planeman]

Brazilian EE-T1 Osorio MBT prototype.

Too easy. Your turn :coffee:

[Costas 240GD]

Thank you.
Try this one:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/9538/wthittf0.jpg

[Skorzeny]

Its a russian GUV-8700 machine gun pod.
Use on the Ka-50

Do you know where i can find the specs on this pod?
Have looked around, but no go

[Costas 240GD]

Correct. The pic source is this: http://aviaros.narod.ru/9a669.htm with the info in Russian, but includes specs for both variants. I suggest that you use Babelfish to translate into English, although the translation will not be the best.
Post the next question! ;)

[Skorzeny]

Thanks.
I will post one easy and one hard. We`ll continue when someone gets the easy one. I`ll be impressed if someone gets the hard one.

Easy
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2550/easyvr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hard
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5281/hardry2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Costas 240GD]

The easy one is the "Sturer Emil" TD.
The other one looks like a glass incendiary grenade, probably using white phosphorus...

[Skorzeny]

That is correct.
The easy one is the 12.8cm Selbstfahrlafette L/61 "Sturer Emil"

The hard one is a is a blinding device. Used to blind tank crews with flash and smoke. Also contains irritants to force them out of the vehicle.
5,142,800 produced during WW2.
It uses calcium chloride / titan tetrachloride / siliciumterachloride.
Do you wanna try to find the exact name?

Your turn to post a pic!

[Costas 240GD]

ID this:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4291/attachment10584elikoptewe6.jpg

[Gollevainen]

MBB 105 ??
or some spesific sub model???

[zaky]

This is a hellenic police MBB Bo-105.
Here is the source:

http://www.ydt.gr/main/Attachments/Attachment10584_ELIKOPTERA4.jpg

http://www.ydt.gr/main/Article.jsp?ArticleID=13460&LanguageID=2

[Costas 240GD]

Bo-105 is sufficient, so it's Golly's turn. :D
@ Zaky: Good detective work! ;)

[Gollevainen]

Well this may be bit harder...

http://i14.tinypic.com/2rh8ghi.jpg

[Scratch]

Best guess I could do right now is a derivative of an IS-1 lacking one wheel and having a second bulb on the front turret...

[Skorzeny]

It is a KV-13 medium tank. But its one of the predecessors of is1, so your are not far of Scratch

[Scratch]

Ok, KV-13 seems to be an improved KV-1 prototype, I couldn't find pics of it.
The strange thing is that the previous KV models and the later IS- models all seem to have six wheels on the ground, while this one has only five.

[Gollevainen]

Well what a busy day for the quizz...

Skorzeny was right, its KV-13. The tank was a ofspring form the realization that the medium tank concept is would be somewhat more cost-effective than the light/heavy tank mix. This relevation was naturally thanks to the T-34's performance in the early years of WWII. Soviets decided to mix the speed of light tanks to the heavier armour of heavy tanks. THis resulted the KV-13 which had quite good armour with 55km/h top speed and weighted 33 tons. This was achived with casting the armour in all around the tank. The name KV tells that it's basicly derivated from the KV series of tanks, most notably form the KV-1s. The hull however is derivation from the T-34 as is the tracks (tough the wheels are form KVs). It never reached serieproduction mostly becouse it wasen't considerably improvement to the T-34 wich was cheaper to build.

But I think its Skorzenys turn...

[Skorzeny]

What gun is this? caliber, barell length and nation should do the trick. Or am I overestimating you guys?

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9821/kanonsv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[zaky]

Soviet 85 mm/52 but I am not sure. Could be everything else in his category.

[Skorzeny]

Nope. Larger gun and mounted on ships. Copy of a french design, but this is not french. ww2 era. Any other guesses?

[eecsmaster]

German?

one of these:

24.0 cm Gerät 80 or 24.0 cm Gerät 85?

Or something along the lines of 9.0 cm Flak M 39?

I'm pretty much clueless on this one.

[Skorzeny]

Well a little hint, its japanese and among other place mounted on the Akagi.
If noone gets it, i`ll post the answer in a couple of hours :)

[rommel]

I think it's a type 10 120mm AA gun...

[Skorzeny]

Yes. Its is the Type 10 4.7"/45 AA gun.
Rommel, your turn to post a question!

[Gollevainen]

well perhaps Rommel didnt knew about the rule change....well to make out all the juice out of this new enthustiatishm towards the most legendary thread in SDFs history, We just have to let Rommel miss his change this time:(

so to keep it going...
http://i11.tinypic.com/4dnpohi.jpg

[Skorzeny]

This is a bit hard... Cant really find the exact variant but it looks like a predecessor of the Grisha class. Mayby a one off? A bit shorter, doesn`t have the 57mm and older radars and stuff, but obviously related.

[Skorzeny]

well I have to guess at

074 MPK 104 FFL Grisha I 30.10.1980 Zelenodolsk SSZ BLS
Laid: 12.6.1979. Transferred to Azov and Black Sea. 6.11.1980 entered BLS. 12.10.1987 - 2.2.1988 overhaul at Sevmorzavod. 16.3.1998 decommissioned. 1.5.1998 scrapped.

Not sure how to read this, if it is 074 or 104 that would be painted on the ship. hopefully the former. As i`ve said before, it looks like a Grisha, but not quite....

[Gollevainen]

MPK-104 is rigth...The sole Klinok test ship, also called as grisha IV....

[zaky]

Let see the next one.

[Skorzeny]

Who is the first the first infantry man who has got an airfield named after him?If any americans dont get this they should be ashamed :)

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9776/uffuffyp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[snake65]

Henderson Field

[Skorzeny]

Nope, it is not Henderson, since he was a marine aviator....

[planeman]

A very young Glen Edwards?

[Skorzeny]

Again,I`m looking for the first infantry man who got an airfield named after him.
Hint: USMC

[zaky]

Give as some help.